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Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

Can a radical Muslim be a good American?


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No and unlike everyone else I'm not going to try to be self righteous and say that all radicals are bad. I'll talk about other radicals as soon as other radicals fly airplanes into buildings, riot over cartoons and raise their children to be murderers for their radical causes.
 
But as I have shown the religion or sects of Christianity do not endorse the criminal behavior. Some sects in Islam do exactly that. They are in no way the same.

Are you denying that there are such things as radical Christians? That there are not Christian groups that believe, like some of the military extremists in Michigan, that the end is coming and therefore we should go out and shoot cops? That killing abortion doctors in the name of God is a good thing? That the laws of God (by their own interpretation) are above the laws of the US and therefore they can ignore US laws?

Now, on a scale of radicalism, I agree that there are more Muslims that are radical, and that their radicalism is worse, but denying that there are any Christian radicals is ludicrous.
 
Are you denying that there are such things as radical Christians?

Please point out where I stated or implied this?

That there are not Christian groups that believe, like some of the military extremists in Michigan, that the end is coming and therefore we should go out and shoot cops?

Please point out where in the NT it states we should shoot cops?

That killing abortion doctors in the name of God is a good thing? That the laws of God (by their own interpretation) are above the laws of the US and therefore they can ignore US laws?

Here we go, the meat of it.

#1 No place in the NT teaches or condones murdering in God's name, for any reason. It also does not condone breaking man's laws. In fact it says the exact opposite.

#2 I think Gods laws are above mans. Of course none of those laws contradict or go against any of the laws in the US at all.

So wrong on all counts. Now I can show you in the Koran, where conversion and subversion of governments is perfectly acceptable.

Now, on a scale of radicalism, I agree that there are more Muslims that are radical, and that their radicalism is worse, but denying that there are any Christian radicals is ludicrous.

No one here is denying it, but it has nothing to do with this thread other than typical "Christians are just as bad" garbage.
 
Man! You are just the most stubborn guy aren't you? Can't ever admit that there may be gray areas, can't admit you might be wrong?

Please point out where I stated or implied this?

Your whole attack on me has been based on this. Seriously, I've tried using little words, I've tried explaining it, and nothing seems to work. I don't know why I should keep trying.

You keep denying that there are Christians who abuse the Bible and think it allows them to do evil things, like that has never happened. That's just ridiculous.

So, once more, you are proving my point that facts are meaningless to True Believers and that it is impossible to debate them.
 
Man! You are just the most stubborn guy aren't you? Can't ever admit that there may be gray areas, can't admit you might be wrong?



Your whole attack on me has been based on this. Seriously, I've tried using little words, I've tried explaining it, and nothing seems to work. I don't know why I should keep trying.

You keep denying that there are Christians who abuse the Bible and think it allows them to do evil things, like that has never happened. That's just ridiculous.

So, once more, you are proving my point that facts are meaningless to True Believers and that it is impossible to debate them.

actually, what he's denying is, from what i've read, your implication that radical christians are of the same sscale, and equivalent to, radical muslims.
 
actually, what he's denying is, from what i've read, your implication that radical christians are of the same sscale, and equivalent to, radical muslims.

Except I never said that, and in fact, stated that they weren't. (See post 77)

As I pointed out earlier in this thread, Black Dog took something I never said or implied and then decided to argue against that instead.
 
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Man! You are just the most stubborn guy aren't you? Can't ever admit that there may be gray areas, can't admit you might be wrong?

Lets see...

I have admitted being wrong plenty of times and I don't lie. So wrong again.

No grey area exists here....

#1 No place in the NT teaches or condones murdering in God's name, for any reason. It also does not condone breaking man's laws. In fact it says the exact opposite.

#2 I think Gods laws are above mans. Of course none of those laws contradict or go against any of the laws in the US at all.

So wrong on all counts. Now I can show you in the Koran, where conversion and subversion of governments is perfectly acceptable.

No please explain again how they resemble each other??? I mean you are basically saying because an apple is a fruit, and an orange is a fruit, they must taste the same.

The only gray area I see here is your attempt at bad logic.

Your whole attack on me has been based on this. Seriously, I've tried using little words, I've tried explaining it, and nothing seems to work. I don't know why I should keep trying.

Already covered this above.

You keep denying that there are Christians who abuse the Bible and think it allows them to do evil things, like that has never happened. That's just ridiculous.

Please point out where I said anything so ridicules?

Just because they are not comparable has nothing to do with an evil act being just that.

So, once more, you are proving my point that facts are meaningless to True Believers and that it is impossible to debate them.

Yep no bigotry here. :roll:
 
Except I never said that, and in fact, stated that they weren't. (See post 77)

As I pointed out earlier in this thread, Black Dog took something I never said or implied and then decided to argue against that instead.

Actually you did...

No, and neither can a radical Christian.

His comment...

actually, what he's denying is, from what i've read, your implication that radical christians are of the same sscale, and equivalent to, radical muslims.

Is absolutely true.
 
Although it is useless to debate True Believers, please allow me to explain to others who understand logic and reason that "bigotry" means being biased against people for things they have no control over (race, religion, sex, etc) and for very personal beliefs (religion).

It does NOT mean that you have to accept every single one of those beliefs. Prejudice means "pre-judging" -- being biased against someone without knowing a thing about them simply because of their race or religion, for instance.

If a black person says something ridiculous and I argue with him, it does NOT mean I am bigoted or biased. A stupid point of view is a stupid point of view no matter your race or religion. That's not "pre-judging."

So sorry that I have to explain basic word meanings here.
 
You have to define what is radical, which will vary from person to person and what a good American is, which will also vary.

I personally think that anyone who believes in supernatural beings and creators is radical. I wouldn't consider a radical Christian a good American because they are typically some of the most close minded, Anti-Science, Homophobic, unintelligent people out there.

I think a radical Christian is a fundamentalist one though, just my opinion.
 
I answered yes, because I've known some good Americans that were some pretty radical Muslims, yo.

Anyways, this poll begs the question as to whether you believe that 'radical' defines a muslim as anti american. In which case youre merely asking can an anti american be a good american and youre basically saying nothing.
 
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