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Do you think these Black Panthers should be prosecuted for voter intimidation?

Should these Black Panthers be prosecuted?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 86.0%
  • No

    Votes: 4 8.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 6.0%

  • Total voters
    50
You're right, Catz. There's no evidence that I can find that they want complete black power in this nation. However, their leaders and idols have time and time again threatened violence to get what they want. Louis Farrakhan, Malcolm X, the man on the video I posted (leader of a Black Panther group), etc.

And comparing someone standing a polling place with a weapon to a person at a rally with a weapon isn't the same.

Didn't Louis Farrakhan want like a part of the US or something to that effect?
 
Which of your three sources is evenhanded and unbiased? Gateway Pundit? Don't make me laugh. Mahalo? The video is the same as we have seen here, the same prejudice as based on those people's look. And the third one is merely the personal opinion of a publicist. It is the usual anti-Obama bigotry. Is that your notion of evidence?

I'm sorry, Mr. Croupier. It's a game with loaded dice.




So let's review, you have no evidence, I have some, instead of providing evidence you poo poo my evidence.....


Thank you for your concession. :thumbs:
 
You're right, Catz. There's no evidence that I can find that they want complete black power in this nation.

That's because, unlike you, I don't post opinions about groups without doing appropriate research. You are generalizing broadly simply because the BPP is black.

However, their leaders and idols have time and time again threatened violence to get what they want. Louis Farrakhan, Malcolm X,

Louis Farrakhan and Malcolm X founded the Nation of Islam (aka black muslim movement). Just because they are both black organizations that evolved during the 1960s does not make them the same groups, with the same goals. Jesus F. Christ...sloppy to the max.

the man on the video I posted (leader of a Black Panther group), etc.

I'm pretty sure I can find a random white racist idiot that I can use to make the Tea Party (or really, any other group), look like anything I want them to look like. That proves NOTHING.

You need to take a class in objective argumentation and evidentiary procedures.

And comparing someone standing a polling place with a weapon to a person at a rally with a weapon isn't the same.

It's similar. It could be perceived, by many, as equally intimidating. However, I would not agree with the prosecution of the first scenario, while I do agree that these NBBP folks should be prosecuted.
 
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What concession? You use no evidence as evidence. That's delusion.




I'm sorry, you want to play obtuse, I don't have much time for you...


Did you not see the black folks in the video with the billy clubs and the get up?


In police work, they call that a "clue":



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Bias?


Really?


come now, even you said they should be prosecuted. :lamo

I believe they should. That doesn't mean that I don't think your sources suffer from fear of the black menace coupled with a bad case of hyperbole.

And, I don't find these guys particularly menacing. They certainly wouldn't stop me from voting. They look like underpaid rent-a-cops. The one on the left probably only weighs about 120 lbs and might be toppled in a stiff wind.

They are BLACK, though. And black people ARE very scary. :lamo Just by virtue of being black, that is.
 
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I believe they should. That doesn't mean that I don't think your sources suffer from fear of the black menace coupled with a bad case of hyperbole.



I'm really posting the video... and it's three more links than the cause celeb you backed came up with with his evidence of others standing in front of a polling place with a gun.


I guess it's the menace of bias. :ssst:
 
I'm really posting the video... and it's three more links than the cause celeb you backed came up with with his evidence of others standing in front of a polling place with a gun.


I guess it's the menace of bias. :ssst:

There's evidence that BPP members were standing in front of a polling place, brandishing firearms?
 
There's evidence that BPP members were standing in front of a polling place, brandishing firearms?



no keep up my fillie, The Good Reverend does understand he can be distracting given his magnificence, but lets not lose focus here.


his retort to the billy club wielding black panther angels was in regards to others frequenting the polling places with guns. I asked him to identify these scofflaws.... He has failed.
 
no keep up my fillie, The Good Reverend does understand he can be distracting given his magnificence, but lets not lose focus here.


his retort to the billy club wielding black panther angels was in regards to others frequenting the polling places with guns. I asked him to identify these scofflaws.... He has failed.

Oh, dammit. You've distracted me again, boo. I do love the word scofflaw. It's too seldom used in modern society, too.
 
Louis Farrakhan and Malcolm X founded the Nation of Islam (aka black muslim movement). Just because they are both black organizations that evolved during the 1960s does not make them the same groups, with the same goals.

Never said they were all the same group. I said these men are heroes and idols of the Black Panthers.
 
I believe they should. That doesn't mean that I don't think your sources suffer from fear of the black menace coupled with a bad case of hyperbole.

And, I don't find these guys particularly menacing. They certainly wouldn't stop me from voting. They look like underpaid rent-a-cops. The one on the left probably only weighs about 120 lbs and might be toppled in a stiff wind.

They are BLACK, though. And black people ARE very scary. :lamo Just by virtue of being black, that is.

To me its got nothing to do with them being black. If they were wearing similar things, white, and skin heads holding a club out in their hand while standing in front of a polling place when there's a candidate on that's being heralded by the fringe minority as some kind of savior to their views I'd have the same feeling towards them...that they're rather intimidating out front of a voting place.

I'd feel the same way as well whether they had a gun out in their hand, a club, a knife, or any weapon in their hand. There's a large difference between a weapon on a person and a weapon being weilded in hand.

The entire basis of your argument, which is frankly comes off as ignorant to me, is that people are reacting the way they are to these people in regards to "intimidation" because "They're black". Yet for that to be the reason for it then why is there not a wide spread panic every year when elections happen and...shock and awe....BLACK people go and vote. Sometimes they even go to vote and they're standing right next to white people! My god, there must be a panic forming because everyone that thinks these guys were attempting voter intimidation must be doing it because they're black men and black men are intimidating.

No, "Black men" aren't intimidating. These particular black men, with a weapon in hand, with a look that suggests a rather outside of the mainstream point of view, loitering right in front of a polling place during an election with strong racial implications and where race was a routine hot button issue pushed by both sides.

Know what else would be intimidating? White men, with a weapon in hand, with a look that suggests a rather outside of the mainstream point of view, loitering right outside of a polling place during an election where a candidate pushing for the repeal of affirmative action or the civil rights act. Would that mean WHITE PEOPLE! are intimidating? No, it would mean in that situation those specific white people were intimidating.

Just as in this situtation it appears these men happened to be attempting to be intimidating.
 
You mean like when you said....


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I was taking you at your own words. For instance, you didn't even realize that NOI and BPP were two different organizations. You assumed that because they were black, they were one and the same. That's pretty abundantly clear.

You've seriously showed your ass here. I'd recommend fleeing the thread.
 
To me its got nothing to do with them being black. If they were wearing similar things, white, and skin heads holding a club out in their hand while standing in front of a polling place when there's a candidate on that's being heralded by the fringe minority as some kind of savior to their views I'd have the same feeling towards them...that they're rather intimidating out front of a voting place.

That's what I was about to say, but you said it much better than I could. I find this assumption that people are afraid of them simply because they're black ridiculous. I get nervous around ANYONE who I think might do me harm no matter what color their skin is.
 
To me its got nothing to do with them being black.

You need to read up the thread. There were several posts above that addressed this very topic, and that's what I was responding to.
Black Panthers are intimidating even without a weapon. Just standing around menacingly with their black berets, black clothes, and jack boots is intimidating.

Especially when you know what their leaders stand for (killing white people).

I agree....




With the BPP, they historically engaged in very similar conduct to the tea parties...publicly displaying weapons at rallies, for instance to show that THEY ALSO had 2nd amendment rights. They were viewed by Washington and the federal law enforcement agencies as a huge national threat, to the point that COINTEL was targeted against them.

Why were they viewed this way? Primarily because they were black.

As far as standing outside a polling place with a weapon, it shouldn't be done---by anyone. That's why I've stated clearly---several times---that they should be prosecuted.
 
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i was taking you at your own words. For instance, you didn't even realize that noi and bpp were two different organizations. you assumed that because they were black, they were one and the same.

No.

I.

Didn't.


Stop putting words into my mouth.
 
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Never said they were all the same group. I said these men are heroes and idols of the Black Panthers.

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Actually, what you really said was:

You seem to think the Black Panthers are an innocent group that is just trying to do something good for black people. You need to read up on them.


These people don't even know their own history.

YouTube - New Black Panthers

Especially when you know what their leaders stand for (killing white people).

The Black Panther Party is the KKK...the races are just switched.

I posted the video so you would know that the Black Panthers aren't an innocent group that is simply trying to justly protect blacks. They HATE white people. They want white people to suffer. They want to KILL WHITE BABIES. They're the black KKK.

You mean the New Black Panthers who want total black power, don't know their own history including why the Founders put the 3/5 clause in the Constitution (more on that if you don't know what that means) and who enjoy stomping all over the American flag? Yeah...they're so innocent.

their leaders and idols have time and time again threatened violence to get what they want. Louis Farrakhan, Malcolm X, the man on the video I posted (leader of a Black Panther group), etc.

So, based upon your above quotes, you did exactly what I said you did.

Never said they were all the same group. I said these men are heroes and idols of the Black Panthers.

YES. YOU. DID. Louis Farrakhan and Malcolm X were never involved with the BPP. They were leaders of the Nation of Islam, a black separatist group that is totally separate from BPP. In fact, the only thing the two groups really have in common is that they are both black. When I called you on this issue, you changed your comment from "leaders" to "heroes".

Please stop being dishonest.
 
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Holy God, Catz. Their leaders AND IDOLS. IDOLS. That doesn't mean their leaders and idols are the SAME. That doesn't mean their idols are the leaders of the party.

Good grief. For someone who is constantly complaining about people giving proof, you sure do jump to a lot of conclusions.
 
To be fair, she did clearly talk about "their leaders AND idols". She even differenciates them in one of those posts as she talks about Malcom X and Farrakhan but specifically denotes the man from the video as a "leader" while not specifically denoting such of the previous two.

That said, you can't really speak in regards to an entire group based on a singular person. However one could very easily speak to that specific chapter based on the actions of their leader and the seeming endorsement of it by their members.
 
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Holy God, Catz. Their leaders AND IDOLS. IDOLS. That doesn't mean their leaders and idols are the SAME. That doesn't mean their idols are the leaders of the party.

Good grief. For someone who is constantly complaining about people giving proof, you sure do jump to a lot of conclusions.

Mellie: Farrakhan and Malcolm X were NEVER associated with the BPP. In fact, the positions that you represent as being BPP positions (killing whites, having total power, having their own nation) are in fact NOI positions. NOI is the organization that refers to whites as white devils.

The BPP's primary mission was to (in their perception) protect black communities from being abused by the police. You've conflated one group with the other, when they are totally different.

Like I said...the only thing that NOI and BPP have in common is the color of their skins.
 
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