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Do you think these Black Panthers should be prosecuted for voter intimidation?

Should these Black Panthers be prosecuted?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 86.0%

  • No

    Votes: 4 8.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 6.0%
  • Total voters
    50
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Do you have anything similar you can add that would make it look less like an attack on libertarians and tea party folk in an effort to equate them to the thugs in the black panther party?
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I have nothing against libertarians or the tea party. Who says I do have? I don't give a damn for either one.
 
Mellie said:
I posted the video so you would know that the Black Panthers aren't an innocent group that is simply trying to justly protect blacks. They HATE white people. They want white people to suffer. They want to KILL WHITE BABIES. They're the black KKK.
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I think in their minds they were just in what they were doing, I happen to think they were wrong.

I don't think they are all innocent in their thoughts, I think that is why the creation of the "New Black Panthers" happened, because people with good intentions, were upset at the racism in that regular "Black Panther" group.

But what is being judged is this one act, not every thought that has ever entered this persons mind.
 
Mellie said:
The Black Panther Party is the KKK...the races are just switched.
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Mellie said:
These people don't even know their own history.

YouTube - New Black Panthers
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Mellie said:
Especially when you know what their leaders stand for (killing white people).
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Mellie said:
I posted the video so you would know that the Black Panthers aren't an innocent group that is simply trying to justly protect blacks. They HATE white people. They want white people to suffer. They want to KILL WHITE BABIES. They're the black KKK.
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Your comments are patently false. Please stop perpetuating falsehoods, or feel free to prove them.

Black Panther Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Talk about diverting a thread in a ridiculous direction....

I get that you people are scared of black people, but these are claims that require evidence.
 
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Gabriel said:
So now I'm a bigot because the libertarians want to give racism a fair chance in society via rolling back the 1964 civil rights act? The black panthers might find support in the Tea Party for having their own black lunch counters? Libertarians call for that law to be changed specifically because of it's effect over private enterprise. They believe that society will just magically ignore racist sentiment and the businesses that engage in white only service will fail. I think libertarians are wrong. There is nothing to stop the black panthers from creating their own black businesses in predominantly black areas under the same pretext. So you have no problem with whites doing it apparently. All on the hypothesis that these businesses will fail, who is making suppositions and assumptions?
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So no, you don't want to either demonstrate your claims, which you have not. Nor do you wish to return to the topic on hand. Noted.
 
Mellie said:
Why does that even matter? It's clear they were standing in front of a polling place with nightsticks. That's intimidation whether it's gun, nightstick, baseball bat, etc. and no matter what color the person's skin is.
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Is that unlawful? I don't think the Second Amendment sets any restriction like that.
 
Magill said:
I think in their minds they were just in what they were doing, I happen to think they were wrong.

I don't think they are all innocent in their thoughts, I think that is why the creation of the "New Black Panthers" happened, because people with good intentions, were upset at the racism in that regular "Black Panther" group.

But what is being judged is this one act, not every thought that has ever entered this persons mind.
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You mean the New Black Panthers who want total black power, don't know their own history including why the Founders put the 3/5 clause in the Constitution (more on that if you don't know what that means) and who enjoy stomping all over the American flag? Yeah...they're so innocent.
 
Ikari said:
You haven't shown any of that to be based on racism. You're jumping to that conclusion so you can pursue your bigoted opinion. Coincidence, supposition, and assumption are all you have. So in that light, we can return to the topic at hand which has NOTHING to do with the Libertarian party or the Tea Party.
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Again I am being called bigoted. I can assure you I am not. Further you have not shown me how the rolling back of the civil rights act will not allow white only buisness to be started up. You can't because it does. Again it doesn't stop the black panthers from doing the same. Basically rolling back society to 50 years ago.
 
freedomlover said:
Is that unlawful? I don't think the Second Amendment sets any restriction like that.
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Based on the action of Obama's DOJ, I guess now it's fine to stand in front of a polling place with weapons. Don't you love how history repeats itself?
 
Gabriel said:
Again I am being called bigoted. I can assure you I am not.
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I have not seen that demonstrated.

Gabriel said:
Further you have not shown me how the rolling back of the civil rights act will not allow white only buisness to be started up. You can't because it does. Again it doesn't stop the black panthers from doing the same. Basically rolling back society to 50 years ago.
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Prove it's born from racism, that's your claim. They're racist because blah blah blah. But you've never demonstrated any of this was born from racism. That's your assumption. Coincidence, supposition and assumption is all you've brought to the table thus far. Of course, the best solution would be for you to get back on target and stay on topic...but it seems you're more interested in promoting your anti-libertarian message than actually keeping up with the topic on hand.
 
Mellie said:
Why does that even matter? It's clear they were standing in front of a polling place with nightsticks. That's intimidation whether it's gun, nightstick, baseball bat, etc. and no matter what color the person's skin is.
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Please stop lying. The BPP was founded to stop POLICE INTIMIDATION in the black community. This was a widespread problem in the late 1960s-early 1970s, and it was a different world then.

Perception is everything. For local community members going to the polls, if they knew these individuals, it could be that they'd be perceived as PROTECTING their right to vote.

The BPP made a point of publicly carrying weapons BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO. This was perceived as a threatening act because it was black men doing it. What is the difference between the BPP carrying weapons, publicly, to reinforce their right to do so, and tea party members doing the same--to reinforce their right to keep and bear arms?

The menace is one of perception, not of intention, per se.
 
Mellie said:
You mean the New Black Panthers who want total black power, don't know their own history including why the Founders put the 3/5 clause in the Constitution (more on that if you don't know what that means) and who enjoy stomping all over the American flag? Yeah...they're so innocent.
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Please provide evidence to substantiate this claim.
 
Mellie said:
Based on the action of Obama's DOJ, I guess now it's fine to stand in front of a polling place with weapons. Don't you love how history repeats itself?
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Do you not support the right of Tea Party members to publicly demonstrate their 2nd Amendment right? do you think that blacks don't have the same rights?
 
New Black Panther Party Mission:

NewBlackPanther.com

They don't want "total black power." They want complete control of their own destiny.

Which, when you think about it apart from racial terms, isn't that different from the Tea Partiers.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Not at a polling place.
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I think we probably agree. Do I think that they should be prosecuted? Yes. The right to vote is precious and should not be infringed on. However, I suspect that they were there with the misguided intention of ensuring that blacks felt safe voting. I've dealt with these folks in several communities. They aren't evil, just not very astute. However, I believe that they overstepped, and they should be prosecuted for that.

For the record, I have some concerns that this prosecution is not moving forward, because clearly the result of the actions of the NBBP was to intimidate some/many voters in the locations where they appeared.

However, I am sickened and repulsed by the overtly racist comments made by Mellie about this group with ZERO FACTUAL EVIDENCE to support them.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Final warning.

This thread is not about the Civil Rights amendment. If you want to discuss it, start a new thread. If you continue to try to derail this thread into a conversation about it you will be removed from the thread.

The topic is whether or not you feel the Black Panthers should be presecuted for Voter Intimidation, not whether or not libertarians wanting to repeal the civil rights act are racist or not.

Final warning
 
Mellie said:
You mean the New Black Panthers who want total black power, don't know their own history including why the Founders put the 3/5 clause in the Constitution (more on that if you don't know what that means) and who enjoy stomping all over the American flag? Yeah...they're so innocent.
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You're right, I got my stories mixed up. That's what I get for coloring and playing games while I am in the middle of debating. I guess that is why I don't normally check sites like these during the day lol sorry.
 
Ikari said:
I have not seen that demonstrated.



Prove it's born from racism, that's your claim. They're racist because blah blah blah. But you've never demonstrated any of this was born from racism. That's your assumption. Coincidence, supposition and assumption is all you've brought to the table thus far. Of course, the best solution would be for you to get back on target and stay on topic...but it seems you're more interested in promoting your anti-libertarian message than actually keeping up with the topic on hand.
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You can be sure anyone who would roll back the civil rights act would receive the same critique. It just so happens libertarians are supportive of the black panthers indirectly.. or directly.. inadvertently whatever you like. Maybe that is one of them wonderful regulations libertarians would keep so the black panthers don't have a black only business district? Or inversely a white business district? I would be intimidated if I were black and the libertarian movement (that does have a political platform ie: the republican party.) was able to roll back the civil rights act that would allow for organisations to generate financial wealth and political effects.

The civil rights act ought not to be changed and libertarians should stop pressing for microscopic government that lends to the building of racial tension. There is no need to deregulate this social intervention for the sake of your ideological goals.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I think we probably agree. Do I think that they should be prosecuted? Yes. The right to vote is precious and should not be infringed on. However, I suspect that they were there with the misguided intention of ensuring that blacks felt safe voting. I've dealt with these folks in several communities. They aren't evil, just not very astute. However, I believe that they overstepped, and they should be prosecuted for that.

For the record, I have some concerns that this prosecution is not moving forward, because clearly the result of the actions of the NBBP was to intimidate some/many voters in the locations where they appeared.
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It was in philadelphia, no? . a black man would be of timid nature to be intimidated by whitey in philly. :ssst:



However, I am sickened and repulsed by the overtly racist comments made by Mellie about this group with ZERO FACTUAL EVIDENCE to support them.
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i find other things far more offensive. :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
It was in philadelphia, no? . a black man would be of timid nature to be intimidated by whitey in philly. :ssst:
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Some black folks have claimed that the po-pos make increased patrols around polling stations to intimidate black voters. Given the history of the BPP, this seems like something they would buy into and want to address. Stupidly, in this instance.


i find other things far more offensive. :shrug:
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racist. ;)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So the answer is "No"

Thanks for playing.
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Which of your three sources is evenhanded and unbiased? Gateway Pundit? Don't make me laugh. Mahalo? The video is the same as we have seen here, the same prejudice as based on those people's look. And the third one is merely the personal opinion of a publicist. It is the usual anti-Obama bigotry. Is that your notion of evidence?

I'm sorry, Mr. Croupier. It's a game with loaded dice.
 
Zyphlin said:
Moderator's Warning:
Final warning.

This thread is not about the Civil Rights amendment. If you want to discuss it, start a new thread. If you continue to try to derail this thread into a conversation about it you will be removed from the thread.

The topic is whether or not you feel the Black Panthers should be presecuted for Voter Intimidation, not whether or not libertarians wanting to repeal the civil rights act are racist or not.

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To be fair. While I did vote yes.. there is a poll with an option for "other" which usually welcomes explaination. But I understand.
 
You're right, Catz. There's no evidence that I can find that they want complete black power in this nation. However, their leaders and idols have time and time again threatened violence to get what they want. Louis Farrakhan, Malcolm X, the man on the video I posted (leader of a Black Panther group), etc.

And comparing someone standing a polling place with a weapon to a person at a rally with a weapon isn't the same.
 
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