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How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

  • Wiind energy is great & complainers should adapt.

    Votes: 20 35.1%

  • Wiind turbines are good & property owners should be justly compensated for decrease property value

    Votes: 8 14.0%

  • I think Obama is an idiot

    Votes: 5 8.8%

  • I'd be upset if wind turbines went up interfering with my view

    Votes: 3 5.3%

  • The wind turbines should not be allowed to disrupt views

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • I think George W Bush ruined this nation

    Votes: 3 5.3%

  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 17 29.8%
  • Total voters
    57
If we can ask our young men to die for securing the world's free access to oil in the Middle East, we can certainly tell homeowners to piss off when they object to these rather cool looking turbines being erected within their view. I mean, have some perspective, people.
 
spud_meister said:
the funny thing is, people who say wind power is unreliable, 'cause the wind stops blowing, don;t take into consideration that when the flow of coal stops, it won't start up again like the wind will, for a reliable source of power, i think a combination of wind, solar and hydro-electric power would see to all our needs, without the environmental trouble that comes with coal.
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We need to go with an "all the above" policy. We need to continue agressively with coal, oil, and nuclear until wind, solar have been developed enough ( if ever) to step in.

WIND IS UNRELIABLE. The supply of coal is enough to last for a long, long time.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
In my city, we have power outages all of the time...brownouts, especially during the summer months when demand is high. I'd think it would be a selling point to have a consistent, cheap supply of electricity. I love my solar water heater. :shrug:
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Solar water heatr is great. It is a totally different animal.
 
If your problem with something your neighbor does with their property is how it impacts your view or your property value, either buy the view or suck it up.

If your problem is safety considerations, then that may be a different matter.
 
Also, when it comes to the idea of a wind turbine being caught up in a storm and damaging a house -- that's equally possible with any free-standing structure or entity, so it's not really a valid argument.

High speed wood shrapnel through your window is just as fatal as high-speed metal shrapnel through your window.

Does that mean we should stop building houses, or tool sheds, or garages?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Also, when it comes to the idea of a wind turbine being caught up in a storm and damaging a house -- that's equally possible with any free-standing structure or entity, so it's not really a valid argument.

High speed wood shrapnel through your window is just as fatal as high-speed metal shrapnel through your window.

Does that mean we should stop building houses, or tool sheds, or garages?
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Yes.

:mrgreen:
 
Wind advocates generally speaking know very little about the generation of power. They repeat the sound bites they hear on TV or read on the internet and then squawk like parrots. If someone disagrees with them, they want "documentation" but can't provide any evidence, much less proof, their view is the more intelligent.
Wind is sporadic in most places. Winds usually die down at night. Ever try to sleep in a hot and humid climate at night without air conditioning?
Wind is expensive per KWH compared to just about any existing form of electrical geneation, except solar voltaics.
Wind will never be more than a supplement to the grid. To call it an alternative is misleading.
 
UtahBill said:
Wind advocates generally speaking know very little about the generation of power. They repeat the sound bites they hear on TV or read on the internet and then squawk like parrots. If someone disagrees with them, they want "documentation" but can't provide any evidence, much less proof, their view is the more intelligent.
Wind is sporadic in most places. Winds usually die down at night. Ever try to sleep in a hot and humid climate at night without air conditioning?
Wind is expensive per KWH compared to just about any existing form of electrical geneation, except solar voltaics.
Wind will never be more than a supplement to the grid. To call it an alternative is misleading.
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Wind generation is still in its infancy. Remember the first car. Everyone said it would not replace the horse, beep, beep.
 
UtahBill said:
Wind advocates generally speaking know very little about the generation of power. They repeat the sound bites they hear on TV or read on the internet and then squawk like parrots. If someone disagrees with them, they want "documentation" but can't provide any evidence, much less proof, their view is the more intelligent.
Wind is sporadic in most places. Winds usually die down at night. Ever try to sleep in a hot and humid climate at night without air conditioning?
Wind is expensive per KWH compared to just about any existing form of electrical geneation, except solar voltaics.
Wind will never be more than a supplement to the grid. To call it an alternative is misleading.
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Look at this map.

All the purple places are excellent for wind power.
Even some of the lesser areas are good on an individual scale.

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/pdfs/wind_maps/us_windmap_80meters.pdf
 
It is so interesting how people try to claim that they "bought a property with a view". Umm, no, you didn't. You bought a property and that property happens to have a nice view for now. Unless your deed says something about having rights to a specific view, you didn't purchase the view.

And therein lies the problem: When you buy a home that happens for the present to have a nice view, it is you that is taking on some risk. The risk being that the view may not always stay the same. Sure, you're going to pay more because of the view, but that doesn't mean you purchased it. People really need to understand this: Just because you gambled that a view would be a part of your property doesn't mean that the rest of the world owes you that view. I am really sorry you didn't understand this, but them's the breaks.
 
Dezaad said:
It is so interesting how people try to claim that they "bought a property with a view". Umm, no, you didn't. You bought a property and that property happens to have a nice view for now. Unless your deed says something about having rights to a specific view, you didn't purchase the view.

And therein lies the problem: When you buy a home that happens for the present to have a nice view, it is you that is taking on some risk. The risk being that the view may not always stay the same. Sure, you're going to pay more because of the view, but that doesn't mean you purchased it. People really need to understand this: Just because you gambled that a view would be a part of your property doesn't mean that the rest of the world owes you that view. I am really sorry you didn't understand this, but them's the breaks.
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Personally, I wouldn't mind a wind farm or two in my view...
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Look at this map.

All the purple places are excellent for wind power.
Even some of the lesser areas are good on an individual scale.

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/pdfs/wind_maps/us_windmap_80meters.pdf
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The majority of the good wind areas, central USA, has a low density of population, and if you can get the locals in those areas to accept power that will be interrupted routinely, go for it. But, you can't pump electricity a long distance without losing a lot of it in line losses. You will need a huge SUPPLY grid to support the system, almost a duplicate to the LOAD grid. We have never had to have much supply grid because our power sources put out so much electricity that one connection to the existing supply grid is enough for a lot of people. Not so with supplements like wind and solar voltaics...
 
UtahBill said:
The majority of the good wind areas, central USA, has a low density of population, and if you can get the locals in those areas to accept power that will be interrupted routinely, go for it. But, you can't pump electricity a long distance without losing a lot of it in line losses. You will need a huge SUPPLY grid to support the system, almost a duplicate to the LOAD grid. We have never had to have much supply grid because our power sources put out so much electricity that one connection to the existing supply grid is enough for a lot of people. Not so with supplements like wind and solar voltaics...
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For me, I'm not a wind only type.
I actually prefer all of these things to be attached to individual homes, than to be formed with a single business.

Grid tie systems are win.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
For me, I'm not a wind only type.
I actually prefer all of these things to be attached to individual homes, than to be formed with a single business.

Grid tie systems are win.
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Then we need to start teaching electrical systems to our kids....can you imagine Joe SixPack trying to fix his own system? I have worked around electronics and nuclear power a long time, and I don't have much faith in poorly trained techs that are out there in huge numbers.
If every house has its own, no way you want it on your grid. Any one of your neighbors can trip out the entire block....
 
UtahBill said:
Then we need to start teaching electrical systems to our kids....can you imagine Joe SixPack trying to fix his own system? I have worked around electronics and nuclear power a long time, and I don't have much faith in poorly trained techs that are out there in huge numbers.
If every house has its own, no way you want it on your grid. Any one of your neighbors can trip out the entire block....
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Be patient man.

It can work just fine.
People are trained to do these things, it pretty easy.
The benefit is that it's self financed, as well as, a reduction on dirtier forms of energy.
 
Dezaad said:
It is so interesting how people try to claim that they "bought a property with a view". Umm, no, you didn't. You bought a property and that property happens to have a nice view for now. Unless your deed says something about having rights to a specific view, you didn't purchase the view.
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This.

On a side note, my school (K-12) was built on property donated to the district by a wealthy family -- the paperwork included a stipulation which forbade the district from building any structure which interfered with the view across the valley.

So, the school had a single floor above-ground and was built into the side of the hill. :lol:
 
Dezaad said:
It is so interesting how people try to claim that they "bought a property with a view". Umm, no, you didn't. You bought a property and that property happens to have a nice view for now. Unless your deed says something about having rights to a specific view, you didn't purchase the view.

And therein lies the problem: When you buy a home that happens for the present to have a nice view, it is you that is taking on some risk. The risk being that the view may not always stay the same. Sure, you're going to pay more because of the view, but that doesn't mean you purchased it. People really need to understand this: Just because you gambled that a view would be a part of your property doesn't mean that the rest of the world owes you that view. I am really sorry you didn't understand this, but them's the breaks.
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Good point
 
If the wind-powered generators lower the value of the properties, then the home owners not only have a right to protest, but the grounds to bring suit to prevent/elmintate said generators.

Replace "wind" with "coal" and you'll have no problem putting your head around the idea.
 
Goobieman said:
If the wind-powered generators lower the value of the properties, then the home owners not only have a right to protest, but the grounds to bring suit to prevent/elmintate said generators.

Replace "wind" with "coal" and you'll have no problem putting your head around the idea.
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But really, almost ANY power generation system I've heard of could be argued to have reduced the property value for one reason or the other.

So now we can't generate power?

We've got to put the damn generation systems somewhere.
 
The Mark said:
But really, almost ANY power generation system I've heard of could be argued to have reduced the property value for one reason or the other.
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Yes. So? That doesnt negate the validity of what I said.
Part of the reason we have zoning laws it to protect property values -- this is why your claim that you have the right to build a landfill on your property in the middle of a residential neighborhood will fail.
Lowered property values auses harm to the people who own the property. These people have aright to protect said values and have the right to take th ematter up in court if it cannot otherwise be addressed.
 
Goobieman said:
Yes. So? That doesn’t negate the validity of what I said.
Part of the reason we have zoning laws it to protect property values -- this is why your claim that you have the right to build a landfill on your property in the middle of a residential neighborhood will fail.
Lowered property values causes harm to the people who own the property. These people have a right to protect said values and have the right to take the matter up in court if it cannot otherwise be addressed.
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True.

That said, I wonder which power generation system causes the most impact on the overall environment...

When I say "overall environment", I include property values, air quality, water quality, etc, etc.

Coal supposedly causes the most air pollution (in terms of particles, I think).

wind turbines apparently ruin scenic views.

Solar panels...blind nearby people due to the sun reflecting off?

/shrug
 
Goobieman said:
If the wind-powered generators lower the value of the properties, then the home owners not only have a right to protest, but the grounds to bring suit to prevent/elmintate said generators.
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Why on the face of planet Earth should anyone have the right to stop me from doing whatever I want with my house for reasons other than safety?

Since when is an imaginary number like property value a valid argument for poking your nose into someone else's business?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Why on the face of planet Earth should anyone have the right to stop me from doing whatever I want with my house for reasons other than safety?
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Simple. Your right to do with your property what you want ends where it negatively affects the rights of others. Wanton actions that harm others, in this case, by reducing the value of their property, are outside your rights.
 
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