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How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

  • Wiind energy is great & complainers should adapt.

    Votes: 20 35.1%
  • Wiind turbines are good & property owners should be justly compensated for decrease property value

    Votes: 8 14.0%
  • I think Obama is an idiot

    Votes: 5 8.8%
  • I'd be upset if wind turbines went up interfering with my view

    Votes: 3 5.3%
  • The wind turbines should not be allowed to disrupt views

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • I think George W Bush ruined this nation

    Votes: 3 5.3%
  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 17 29.8%

  • Total voters
    57
No it's not. My property value is my concern. And if you do something unreasonable which causes the value thereof to decrease, then you have essentially robbed from me. A man has the right to protect himself from thievery.

So, in your opinion, if the house next door changes owners and the new ones are smelly slobs that nobody would want to live next to? Or if they paint their house camoflauge or something else equally insane that might lower property values than they have robbed you?
 
I would think wind power generation on a property would increase it's value substantially, despite the neighbours irrational protests.
 
So, in your opinion, if the house next door changes owners and the new ones are smelly slobs that nobody would want to live next to? Or if they paint their house camoflauge or something else equally insane that might lower property values than they have robbed you?

They have essentially decreased my wealth. This is why things like HOAs originally started, to protect people's property values against those whom would allow their properties to become unkempt and dilapidated thus decreasing the property values of everyone else around.
 
Of course they're not making any noise, they're hardly turning. Let's see what a 40+ mph wind would do to that turbine. I bet it would create quite a whine.

I think the point is.. compared to a wide variety of other sources of noise I think the claim that they would be noisy is .. exaggerated to say the least.
 
They have essentially decreased my wealth. This is why things like HOAs originally started, to protect people's property values against those whom would allow their properties to become unkempt and dilapidated thus decreasing the property values of everyone else around.

I agree that they have decreased the value of your property if they let the grass die or something, but do you consider it theft?
 
I agree that they have decreased the value of your property if they let the grass die or something, but do you consider it theft?

Depends on intent. If done deliberately, one could surely make the case. If done through fair exercise of their own property rights, then not so much. But one has had his wealth decreased by external means. What would you call it? A certainly people can reasonably be upset or worried about the value of their property, can they not? I think the dismissive statement that it's not a neighbor's problem can be found to be problematic. Because the exercise of our rights ends at the rights of others; and if you're going to cost people money through unreasonable means then you should expect perhaps some people to be upset. If these wind turbines have decreased property value, then the owners of the property have legitimate gripe.
 
No it's not. My property value is my concern. And if you do something unreasonable which causes the value thereof to decrease, then you have essentially robbed from me. A man has the right to protect himself from thievery.

I have to disagree.

To rob someone you have to purposefully take something from someone.
If that is considered robbery, then everyone at some point gets robbed on the stock market.
 
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Depends on intent. If done deliberately, one could surely make the case. If done through fair exercise of their own property rights, then not so much.

That makes sense.

But one has had his wealth decreased by external means. What would you call it?

I have always called it bad luck. Just as a wealth increase due to external means is good luck. Of course, as you say, this assumes there was no motive involved that had anything directly to do with the property holder. (Perhaps the neighbor likes having a purple camouflage house)

A certainly people can reasonably be upset or worried about the value of their property, can they not? I think the dismissive statement that it's not a neighbor's problem can be found to be problematic. Because the exercise of our rights ends at the rights of others; and if you're going to cost people money through unreasonable means then you should expect perhaps some people to be upset. If these wind turbines have decreased property value, then the owners of the property have legitimate gripe.

I agree with that. Mostly I just wanted to know what you considered to be theft as sometimes I have a hard time making sense of your stances on various issues, so I request more info.
 
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Of course they're not making any noise, they're hardly turning. Let's see what a 40+ mph wind would do to that turbine. I bet it would create quite a whine.

If the wind is blowing at 40 mph, there is already a lot of disturbance noise.
Anything coming from the turbine will have little effect in comparison.
 
I have to disagree.

To rob someone you have to purposefully take something from you.
If that is considered robbery, then everyone at some point gets robbed on the stock market.

Well the stock markets can be even worse because there is a lot of collusion and purposeful action and magic to defunk companies (it can be done, and oft is). But in the end, the point remains. If I have some property and you do something which causes my property values to go down, then I can be upset over that. If in a HOA there is probably something legally I can do about it. If these people had their property values decreased through the installation of the wind farm (which was more likely than not done with heavy government subsidy) then they have legitimate grief and can air such grievances.
 
Well the stock markets can be even worse because there is a lot of collusion and purposeful action and magic to defunk companies (it can be done, and oft is). But in the end, the point remains. If I have some property and you do something which causes my property values to go down, then I can be upset over that. If in a HOA there is probably something legally I can do about it. If these people had their property values decreased through the installation of the wind farm (which was more likely than not done with heavy government subsidy) then they have legitimate grief and can air such grievances.

They are air their grievances all they want, I'm not against that.

I'm just saying that, subsidy or not, your property value is not a fixed amount.
I can go up and down, there is no guarantee that your property value be high.
 
That is true, but the mechanism behind that rise and fall is important for depending on what it is, it can be illegal.
 
There is a windy area in this general area. The homeowners lost their fight against the wind turbines, and they are going up.

This is green energy compared to other sources. The turbines are immense and the homeowners object based on ascetic considerations. They value their view.

What do you think. This has been a huge controversy in these parts.

I think that we need to become less reliant on foreign fuel sources. If I have to deal with oil wells in the gulf near me, your property owners can deal.
 
I think that we need to become less reliant on foreign fuel sources. If I have to deal with oil wells in the gulf near me, your property owners can deal.

The owners of the windmills should be forced to pay royalties, the same way the oil companies do.
 
I've spoken with people who work in power generation. Wind turbines are very nearly useless as a large-scale source of power. When you consider the amount of power required to make the components, and the amount of power required to maintain the wind turbines and produce replacement parts for them, factor in the man-hours that go into same, the irregularity of the wind, etc.... the net production of electricity is low. Efficiency is low, VERY low compared to nuclear.

Even solar, with its high startup costs, is better because it is more predictable and the maintenance costs are far lower.

Wind turbines are little more than a green publicity stunt.
 
There is a windy area in this general area. The homeowners lost their fight against the wind turbines, and they are going up.

This is green energy compared to other sources. The turbines are immense and the homeowners object based on ascetic considerations. They value their view.

What do you think. This has been a huge controversy in these parts.

I think the homeowners are full of themselves. They should all just shut the **** up. They have no problem with putting chemicals which kill wildlife on the precious green lawns. They are living an illusion of **** dreams. **** em.
 
I've spoken with people who work in power generation. Wind turbines are very nearly useless as a large-scale source of power. When you consider the amount of power required to make the components, and the amount of power required to maintain the wind turbines and produce replacement parts for them, factor in the man-hours that go into same, the irregularity of the wind, etc.... the net production of electricity is low. Efficiency is low, VERY low compared to nuclear.

Even solar, with its high startup costs, is better because it is more predictable and the maintenance costs are far lower.

Wind turbines are little more than a green publicity stunt.

Remember how much the first computers cost? The ones with 500mb of hard drive? Now, look what they cost. It's the same with any prototype product when it first comes out. Hell, calculators used to cost at least one hundred dollars and now they give them away free in a box of crackerjacks.
 
How do I feel...

Meh.

Personally, I think wind turbines are perhaps too space-consuming for the power output they produce.

But I could be wrong, as I don't know the details.

On the plus side, obviously, they likely have a lower overall pollution level, depending on how much their construction and maintenance puts out.

Be nice if indestructible, maintenance-free wind turbines existed… :mrgreen:


I’ve sometimes wondered as the possibility for taller wind turbines allowing farming to take place around their bases…

Would allow more efficient use of the land, I would think.

But then there’s the whole falling blade danger…

Unnatural air movement affecting the crops...
 
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Hmmmm...Oil filled seas suffocating and killing all marine life and leaving some folks in financial ruins or having to deal with a slight humming noise?

and it's the 21 century people..I think it's safe to say that anything erected in neighborhoods filled with children is going to be fairly safe. "but, but, the winds could blow and send blades at people", give me a break! It's a damn windmill, if it storms great! more electricity for everyone.
 
The owners of the windmills should be forced to pay royalties, the same way the oil companies do.

I spoke to someone today in windfarm country. She told me that a friend of hers has 2 windmills on her property and earns $1000 monthly!
 
I spoke to someone today in windfarm country. She told me that a friend of hers has 2 windmills on her property and earns $1000 monthly!

If you have good constant class 2 winds or better, you can rely on wind energy for your home easily.
There are certain areas of the country where that is a very good investment.
 
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