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Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

Does a father have the right to stop an abortion?

  • No, mother's choice only.

    Votes: 23 60.5%
  • Yes, a father has rights too.

    Votes: 11 28.9%
  • abortion should be illegal.

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • Total voters
    38
This is an issue that I am very torn on: on one hand I do think the father should have input but in the end? For me it always comes down to it is the womans body so the final choice is hers.

I feel for men who want that baby and want to raise it. But they are not the one who must carry that child for 9 months.

This (above) is why I would never sleep with a woman who would or even might decide to abort a child I might father.

I've lost several chances at future dates with more than a few beautiful young ladies (back when I was dating),... some of them I really cared deeply about.

One of which had already had an abortion and couldn't deal with the fact That I refused to hold that fact against her.
 
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That's from the state of California and it says that a person can receive it before the birth of the child, as long as paternity is established.
Other sites have confirmed this but they didn't have the air of official documentation for me to post here.

My question is, what happens if she decides to abort after support has been started?

The support stops.
 
This is a "debate" board. This is what people do on a debate board. I don't run around in real life, rubbing my "unearned privilege" (LMAO) in front of peoples faces.

But you are, on one hand you claiming its nature and on the other you say it's a legal right.

If it were totally up to nature, where there is no legal authority, I could just walk away.
That's nature.
What you're talking about is having the legal authority to use people for monetary gain.
 
That is how the world works. That is nature. That is where nature says, "your choices are over now." (to the man)

And yes it would be ideal if both parties protected themselves before even having sex. But women still have an extra card. It would also be nice if the woman would take into consideration the mans feelings, but legally its her right.

How is abortion natural? If nature had its way the baby would be born no matter what. In this age of medical advancement and tech, I'm not advocating that. I'm advocating choice, for both the mother ,and the father. They both have rights IMO. There's no need to be sexist when it's convenient.
 
But you are, on one hand you claiming its nature and on the other you say it's a legal right.

If it were totally up to nature, where there is no legal authority, I could just walk away.
That's nature.
What you're talking about is having the legal authority to use people for monetary gain.

The money is FOR THE CHILD. Not for the woman. The courts have a scale.
 
This (above) is why I would never sleep with a woman who would or even might decide to abort a child I might father.

I've lost several chances at future dates with more than a few beautiful young ladies (back when I was dating),... some of them I really cared deeply about.

One of which had already had an abortion and couldn't deal with the fact That I refused to hold that fact against her.

I understand totally and that is your right and choice.

Personally? I would never have one unless I got pregnant due to rape. I must tell you that I would pick to abort as there is just no way I could carry a child that is a result of rape. Is that selfish? Maybe.

But I do support a womans choice and always will.
 
How is abortion natural? If nature had its way the baby would be born no matter what. In this age of medical advancement and tech, I'm not advocating that. I'm advocating choice, for both the mother ,and the father. They both have rights IMO. There's no need to be sexist when it's convenient.

It is a very slippery slope because if we gave men the right to decide what a woman can do to her body? It would open a very broad door to being able to overturning abortion rights for women.
 
I understand totally and that is your right and choice.

Personally? I would never have one unless I got pregnant due to rape. I must tell you that I would pick to abort as there is just no way I could carry a child that is a result of rape. Is that selfish? Maybe.

But I do support a womans choice and always will.

I would do the same, and I don't think it's selfish. I wouldn't want a permanent reminder of possible the worst thing to ever happen to me.
 
It all goes back to the fundamental question - when does life begin? If it is a fetus, it is entirely the woman's choice. If it is a baby, the man should have a say and the responsibility that goes with it.
 
I understand totally and that is your right and choice.

Personally? I would never have one unless I got pregnant due to rape. I must tell you that I would pick to abort as there is just no way I could carry a child that is a result of rape. Is that selfish? Maybe.

But I do support a womans choice and always will.

I can and do (often) defend a woman's right to abort in cases where she was raped.

I hope you didn't believe otherwise.
 
How is abortion natural? If nature had its way the baby would be born no matter what. In this age of medical advancement and tech, I'm not advocating that. I'm advocating choice, for both the mother ,and the father. They both have rights IMO. There's no need to be sexist when it's convenient.

Do you think a man should be able to legally prevent the woman from getting an abortion?
 
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It all goes back to the fundamental question - when does life begin? If it is a fetus, it is entirely the woman's choice. If it is a baby, the man should have a say and the responsibility that goes with it.

I believe that there is another fundamental question to be considered; "How far would you (men only) be willing to go,... to defend your prenatal child from being killed by the woman you slept with?"
 
It all goes back to the fundamental question - when does life begin? If it is a fetus, it is entirely the woman's choice. If it is a baby, the man should have a say and the responsibility that goes with it.

Personally I find abortion abhorrent, but I don't seek to impress my believes on other people and think it should remain legal.
With that said, I think it should be the choice of the woman and the man before hand.
If the man does not want to be a father before the child is born, he should have the legal ability to not be.
The same should be true for the woman.

After birth or notification, all bets are off.
If you accept the child, you accept the responsibility.
 
Do you think a man should be able to legally block the woman from getting an abortion?

If he is going to take full responsibility for raising and supporting the child? Yes. In any other case, no.
 
I believe that there is another fundamental question to be considered; "How far would you (men only) be willing to go,... to defend your prenatal child from being killed by the woman you slept with?"

What could they do? The way the laws are now they would have to kipnap the pregnant woman and keep her locked up, fed, etc. til the baby was born.

What other things could they do? I am drawing a blank here.
 
It is a very slippery slope because if we gave men the right to decide what a woman can do to her body? It would open a very broad door to being able to overturning abortion rights for women.

I think thats a big leap. And I don't see it as them deciding what to do to our bodies. Just deciding on whether or not to have to opportunity to have their child. They wouldn't be able to tell us how to give birth, or to give birth if a doctor told us there was something wrong, and giving birth could kill us. Also you have to consider, that how many guys would be willing to enter a single parent situation with a new born? It wouldn't be sexist men, wanting to control women. It would men who would be loving fathers to their kids,( on the majority) and I can't find anything wrong with that.
 
Personally I find abortion abhorrent, but I don't seek to impress my believes on other people and think it should remain legal.
With that said, I think it should be the choice of the woman and the man before hand.
If the man does not want to be a father before the child is born, he should have the legal ability to not be.
The same should be true for the woman.

After birth or notification, all bets are off.
If you accept the child, you accept the responsibility.

The father should be legally able to make a woman have an abortion just because he does not wish to be a father? I do not think so:(
 
Does a father have rights to stop an abortion?

Logistically unfeasible (setting aside the entire "ethicality" issue).
The Chuz Liferz who hang out in front of Planned Parenthood waving placards could claim to be the putative "impregnaters" of every woman who walked through the door.
They could get court injunctions to stop these abortions; by the time DNA testing was done (not sure if fetal DNA testing is even a reality at this time) which proved they were not, it might be too late for an abortion.

The fact is, a man does not know he has impregnated a woman unless she chooses to tell him so.
And even if he learns that a woman he's had sex with is in fact pregnant, he has no guarantee that he is the "father". She may not even know.

Ever heard the old saying "Mommy's baby. Daddy's, maybe"... ? ;)

Until DNA testing, there was no way- ever- for a man to prove that a child was his.
I still don't think there's any way for a man to prove that he is responsible for a pregnancy, unless and until a child is actually born.
Let's say, hypothetically, that there is, though; let's say they can stick a needle into a fetus, extract some of its DNA, and test it to see if it matches with the putative father's.
Any male anti-choice activist could step up and claim to be the father of untold numbers of fetuses, tying things up in court until it was too late for these women to get abortions.
When DNA testing proved he was lying, one of his cronies could simply step up and say, "Whoops, actually I'm the father", putting the woman through testing over and over again until the very day she gave birth (at which point the anti-choicers would lose interest in her and her child entirely, since it's only about control over females and abrogation of females' human rights. Mission accomplished).

It is not feasible for women to have freedom of reproductive choice, if the will of men trump the will of women when it comes to women's reproductive functions.
It's utterly senseless, frankly.
It is infeasible for men to attempt to control women individually in this manner. The logistics would defeat them; ultimately, women would circumvent any such laws by simply not telling their sex partners that they were pregnant, and lying about who their sex partners were.

Men would have a better shot at outlawing abortion entirely, than at this.
Not that they'll ever be able to outlaw abortion, either, but it's a more realistic goal than passing legislation which dictates that individual women need permission from their sex partners in order to end an unwanted pregnancy.
There is no way that would ever work, from a practical perspective.
It would not prevent one single, solitary woman from ending an unwanted pregnancy.
It would be too easy to circumvent.
 
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Not at all.
He won't provide support and he will have no parental rights.

This is where it gets iffy for me. Especially since men, and women's average salary is not the same for the same amount of work.
 
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