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Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

Does a father have the right to stop an abortion?

  • No, mother's choice only.

    Votes: 23 60.5%

  • Yes, a father has rights too.

    Votes: 11 28.9%

  • abortion should be illegal.

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • Total voters
    38
Harry Guerrilla said:
Since no child is born, legally it has no rights.
It teaches a lesson to would be pregnancy extortionists, "that **** don't fly."
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What "legal responsibilities" were you referring to, then, if not child-support?

In so far as I know the father is not on the hook for a dime until there is a birth. You're telling me that's not so. I honestly have no clue what these pre-birth legal responsibilities are. Please educate me.
 
mikhail said:
just been reading about it apprantly it block sperm becoming adult sperm.It would be brilliant cant help but slightly worry about long term side effects though.
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It's the short-term side effects which will more likely discourage men from taking it.
Would you take it, for instance, if it caused slight to moderate breast development in men?
Weight gain? Hair loss?
Some guys would; a lot of guys wouldn't.
 
I think my compromise I posted a few pages back would still give the woman alot of power while being fair to the guy. I think its unfair to give one party all the power, when it involves two parties.
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So he can't force her to carry the child, he can't force her to abort, but she can sign away her rights? Maybe I am missing something, but if people want to do this, they already can.
 
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Jerry said:
What "legal responsibilities" were you referring to, then, if not child-support?

In so far as I know the father is not on the hook for a dime until there is a birth. You're telling me that's not so. I honestly have no clue what these pre-birth legal responsibilities are. Please educate me.
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Depending on the locality and laws, I believe some places require the potential father to provide support for the pregnancy.

I remember reading something about a long while back.
I'll see if I can find it.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I think it's quite wrong, to allow one person to chose for another how the next 18 years of their life will be effected.
While the person gets to make their own choices, as to how their life will be.

Your essentially promoting sexism under the guise of female equality.
There is nothing equal or just about the situation.
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Call it what you want. Women have the right to choose what they do with their own body. Children have seperate rights once they are born. And men get to decide where they leave their sperm. :)
 
Magill said:
Call it what you want. Women have the right to choose what they do with their own body. Children have seperate rights once they are born. And men get to decide where they leave their sperm. :)
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That's just a lousy cop out.

I support full equality for women, but when some women use this issue to extort men.
It exposes the ugliness of your intentions.
 
Magill said:
Call it what you want. Women have the right to choose what they do with their own body. Children have seperate rights once they are born. And men get to decide where they leave their sperm. :)
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  1. It's not her body, DNA proves this.
  2. Unborn Children (legal term) have rights long before birth.
  3. Totally agree. Jigaloes don't get to choose whether or not they'll be losing a child or paying through the nose for the next 18 years. That's the price for not using judgment.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
That's just a lousy cop out.

I support full equality for women, but when some women use this issue to extort men.
It exposes the ugliness of your intentions.
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Using the word "extort" about child support, says some pretty ugly things too. Is that what you see children as? Just some way for a woman to get all your money?

FTR you have no idea what *I* would do about child support. Many people legally give up rights to their child with the blessing of the mother. (and v/v)
 
Magill said:
So he can't force her to carry the child, he can't force her to abort, but she can sign away her rights? Maybe I am missing something, but if people want to do this, they already can.
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He can't force her to abort, but if he wants the baby, and is willing, and able to care for the child, then she can sign a contract divorcing her responsibility from the child once it's born. She may not be in full control, but he isn't either, since I don't think he should be able to divorce himself from responsibility for the child. It seems the fairest thing to do in my mind.
 
Chuz Life said:
What kind of guy sleeps with a woman who would kill his children,.... or before knowing ahead of time whether she would or not?
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The kind of guy that doesn't think much farther ahead than a few minutes. Or care much about consequences. The same can be said for women. Free love isn't free after all....
 
Magill said:
Using the word "extort" about child support, says some pretty ugly things too. Is that what you see children as? Just some way for a woman to get all your money?

FTR you have no idea what *I* would do about child support. Many people legally give up rights to their child with the blessing of the mother. (and v/v)
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Well, that's what child support is used for in some circumstances.
A means to an end.

I've know a few that only wanted a child to get money.
 
Jerry said:
  1. It's not her body, DNA proves this.
  2. Unborn Children (legal term) have rights long before birth.
  3. Totally agree. Jigaloes don't get to choose whether or not they'll be losing a child or paying through the nose for the next 18 years. That's the price for not using judgment.
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She is removing something from her body. That is why it is her body, her choice.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Well, that's what child support is used for in some circumstances.
A means to an end.

I've know a few that only wanted a child to get money.
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Well I have known (more than) a few men who get married have a few kids and then run off and avoid paying child support. Some people suck.
 
Magill said:
Well I have known (more than) a few men who get married have a few kids and then run off and avoid paying child support. Some people suck.
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Yep and in that instance I support the full force of law going after them to collect the funds need to support those kids.
One does not excuse the injustice of the other.
 
Your Star said:
He can't force her to abort, but if he wants the baby, and is willing, and able to care for the child, then she can sign a contract divorcing her responsibility from the child once it's born. She may not be in full control, but he isn't either, since I don't think he should be able to divorce himself from responsibility for the child. It seems the fairest thing to do in my mind.
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That is great, if people want to do that. They can do this already though.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yep and in that instance I support the full force of law going after them to collect the funds need to support those kids.
One does not excuse the injustice of the other.
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Do you know many men who were tricked into ejaculating into a woman?
 
Magill said:
That is great, if people want to do that. They can do this already though.
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But as the law stands now, the woman can still get an abortion without consent, or even informing the father. I don't think thats right.
 
Magill said:
Do you know many men who were tricked into ejaculating into a woman?
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This argument is bull, unless it was rape, the woman wanted to be there just as much as the guy. It sucks, but for us girls, getting pregnant is a possible consequence from having unprotected sex. We need to be ready for that responsibility before having any kind of sex that could result in a pregnancy.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
For Jerry.

Here is something showing that a child support order can be placed on a guy before birth.

http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Portals/0/resources/docs/pub158_english.pdf

Just a pdf brochure.
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That says paperwork can be started before birth.

As a person who pays child-support, I happen to know that the child has to have a SS#. You don't get a SS# until you're born. In so far as the State is concerned, there is no dependent until proof of live birth is submitted.
 
Magill said:
Do you know many men who were tricked into ejaculating into a woman?
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It's a two way street.
I'm sure if the situation wasn't so favorable to your choice gender, you'd be howling about how unfair it is.

Some people are capable of understanding fairness and equality.
Some like to rub their unearned privilege into the face of others.
I take it your in the later group.
 
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Jerry said:
That says paperwork can be started before birth.

As a person who pays child-support, I happen to know that the child has to have a SS#. You don't get a SS# until you're born. In so far as the State is concerned, there is no dependent until proof of live birth is submitted.
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That's from the state of California and it says that a person can receive it before the birth of the child, as long as paternity is established.
Other sites have confirmed this but they didn't have the air of official documentation for me to post here.

My question is, what happens if she decides to abort after support has been started?
 
This is an issue that I am very torn on: on one hand I do think the father should have input but in the end? For me it always comes down to it is the womans body so the final choice is hers.

I feel for men who want that baby and want to raise it. But they are not the one who must carry that child for 9 months.
 
Your Star said:
This argument is bull, unless it was rape, the woman wanted to be there just as much as the guy. It sucks, but for us girls, getting pregnant is a possible consequence from having unprotected sex. We need to be ready for that responsibility before having any kind of sex that could result in a pregnancy.
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That is how the world works. That is nature. That is where nature says, "your choices are over now." (to the man)

And yes it would be ideal if both parties protected themselves before even having sex. But women still have an extra card. It would also be nice if the woman would take into consideration the mans feelings, but legally its her right.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's a two way street.
I'm sure if the situation wasn't so favorable to your choice gender, you'd be howling about how unfair it is.

Some people are capable of understanding fairness and equality.
Some like to rub their unearned privilege into the face of others.
I take it your in the later group.
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This is a "debate" board. This is what people do on a debate board. I don't run around in real life, rubbing my "unearned privilege" (LMAO) in front of peoples faces.
 
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