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Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally?

  • Yes! I'll be there protesting!

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • No! I'll be an audience member of the rally.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No. I wish I could go!

    Votes: 12 57.1%

  • Yes! I can't go, but I'll speak out online or other ways.

    Votes: 8 38.1%
  • Total voters
    21
Mellie said:
1. America Is Good.
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America is good, that doesn't mean everything we do is good. And that's often times how the right-wing political entertainers mean it. They want to say, America is good...hence support everything. From the wars to the expansions of government, whatever. Don't question. But we should question. America was founded on beautiful principles of freedom and liberty and we should always work towards those goals. Just because America is good, doesn't mean the government is good or that we're doing the right thing.

Mellie said:
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.
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Your gods have no place in government. I don't care what invisible entity you pray to, appeal to gods are usually "blinding" tactics used to get people to not think of a problem. Whenever people evoke gods, you should be wary.

Mellie said:
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington
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There is nothing honest about political entertainers. To believe so is foolish and stupid beyond belief.

Mellie said:
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson
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If it's just love, why can't same sex couples marry again?

Mellie said:
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson
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Would be nice if it were true

Mellie said:
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson
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This one is funny because typically the "no equal results" thing is typically used to support systematic roadblocks which are emplaced by the already established to prevent proper competition.

Mellie said:
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington
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True, even if government takes you money for charity things, it cannot personally make you charitable. However, in many things just as unemployment and homelessness we have gone the private charity only route before and it produced horrible results. Often times people don't understand the aggregated power of the US government and what it can properly do for us. There are some big social things which can benefit us all which are better run from the government side rather than the private side. Yet these simplified notions such as what is expressed here do little for encouraging the proper debate and discussion necessary to figure out what those parts are. Yet another reason to distrust political entertainers.

Mellie said:
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington
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This is one of the things which flip flopped from the right-wing political entertainers between Bush and Obama. It was once, "you're with us or your against us" to "I can dissent if I want". Which of course is most certainly true and something which MUST be protected in its entirety. However, this is not a consistent point from the political entertainers and it will change on situation and with who is in office.

Mellie said:
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson
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The government is supposed to work for the People and answer to the People. But how many people were defending the government's use of warrantless wiretaps, domestic spying, things like the Patriot Act and the Real ID Act which act against the People? And how many of these political entertainers who speak now with this "government works for me" propaganda supported those previously mentioned things? Hmmm? Again, they do not take a consistent basis.

Mellie said:
The 12 Values
* Honesty
* Reverence
* Hope
* Thrift
* Humility
* Charity
* Sincerity
* Moderation
* Hard Work
* Courage
* Personal Responsibility
* Gratitude

From www.912project.com
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This is the definition of propaganda.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Is that in the constitution, Mellie?
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Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner! A lot of these political entertainers and the zombie hordes which religiously follow them will invoke the Constitution when convenient for their arguments. But they are never consistent in the use of the Constitution and will many times call for action which is unconstitutional. Don't trust entertainers and zombies.
 
Ikari said:
Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner! A lot of these political entertainers and the zombie hordes which religiously follow them will invoke the Constitution when convenient for their arguments. But they are never consistent in the use of the Constitution and will many times call for action which is unconstitutional. Don't trust entertainers and zombies.
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Ahhh Cafeteria Constitutionalists.:lol:
 
Mellie said:
*sigh*

No. Do you understand the difference between personal principles for your life and government laws?
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If your God asks you to sacrifice your son on a hilltop to propitiate him, what are you going to do?
 
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Ikari said:
America is good, that doesn't mean everything we do is good. And that's often times how the right-wing political entertainers mean it. They want to say, America is good...hence support everything. From the wars to the expansions of government, whatever. Don't question. But we should question. America was founded on beautiful principles of freedom and liberty and we should always work towards those goals. Just because America is good, doesn't mean the government is good or that we're doing the right thing.

Your gods have no place in government. I don't care what invisible entity you pray to, appeal to gods are usually "blinding" tactics used to get people to not think of a problem. Whenever people evoke gods, you should be wary.

There is nothing honest about political entertainers. To believe so is foolish and stupid beyond belief.

If it's just love, why can't same sex couples marry again?

Would be nice if it were true

This one is funny because typically the "no equal results" thing is typically used to support systematic roadblocks which are emplaced by the already established to prevent proper competition.

True, even if government takes you money for charity things, it cannot personally make you charitable. However, in many things just as unemployment and homelessness we have gone the private charity only route before and it produced horrible results. Often times people don't understand the aggregated power of the US government and what it can properly do for us. There are some big social things which can benefit us all which are better run from the government side rather than the private side. Yet these simplified notions such as what is expressed here do little for encouraging the proper debate and discussion necessary to figure out what those parts are. Yet another reason to distrust political entertainers.

This is one of the things which flip flopped from the right-wing political entertainers between Bush and Obama. It was once, "you're with us or your against us" to "I can dissent if I want". Which of course is most certainly true and something which MUST be protected in its entirety. However, this is not a consistent point from the political entertainers and it will change on situation and with who is in office.

The government is supposed to work for the People and answer to the People. But how many people were defending the government's use of warrantless wiretaps, domestic spying, things like the Patriot Act and the Real ID Act which act against the People? And how many of these political entertainers who speak now with this "government works for me" propaganda supported those previously mentioned things? Hmmm? Again, they do not take a consistent basis.

This is the definition of propaganda.
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i wish I could thank this post +9000.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
Yep, Glenn beck is trying to pull the country together by joking around about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.:roll:
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and saying that obama is a racist. that really pulls us all together.
 
Mellie said:
Wow. You suddenly turned into Glenn Beck there for a second. :) That's precisely what the 9/12 Movement and the Restoring Honor Rally is all about. We need to unite as a country and get back to the principles and values that made this country great.
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Beck...talking about unity....

Come on, what next, Beck talking about needing a civil discourse?
 
Mellie said:
For people to "get together" they have to unite under common ideals and principles.

Which principles do you disagree with?
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I went to the 9/12 Project and looked at their 9 Principles and 12 Values. Let's look them over.

9/12 Project said:
9 Principles, 12 Values

The 9 Principles
1. America Is Good.
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If America is innately good, then why is the 9/12 Project focused on reforming America? This, I don't understand.

9/12 Project said:
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.
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The Constitution explicitly rejects the U.S. government from establishing, and thereby endorsing, any religion or religion at all. From this we can extrapolate a doctrine of separation of church and state. Keep religion out of government. Keep government out of religion.

And I don't care if George Washington believed in God. George Washington also owned slaved and grew hemp. Just because Washington did something does not mean that a group of people have the right to force others to do it.

9/12 Project said:
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington
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Okay, sure. But if we want honesty then we're going to have to be responsible with that honesty, and we are going to have to accept things that we'd rather not hear. You can't be honest with others until you are honest with yourself.

9/12 Project said:
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson
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Ultimate authority over what?

If you think it's over the law, you're wrong. While people have the freedom to make rules over their family, they do not have the freedom to impose such values onto others. People have as much of a freedom from so-called "family values" as they have a freedom to "family values."

Also, families are free to allow their own family values, and not those of other people.

9/12 Project said:
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson
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Okay. So let's get rid of unjust laws. If people break a law, yeah, they should be prosecuted, But there are a lot of laws that shouldn't be laws. Let's get rid of those laws if you want to ensure people pay the penalty for breaking laws.

Also, once a person is punished for breaking a law don't continue punish him. Help these ex-cons get jobs and suitable housing and reinstate their rights. Otherwise, they have no impetus to lead a life of the straight and narrow. For most of these ex-cons, they don't commit crimes because they want to be unreformed criminals - they commit crimes because it's the only way they can make a decent living to pay for themselves.

9/12 Project said:
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson
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This is a code phrase to get rid of programs for food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Fine. If we're going to get rid of welfare we'll get rid of welfare.

But let's get rid of ALL of welfare. That includes corporate welfare as well as individual welfare. Let's get rid of farm subsidies. Let's reduce contracts to defense industries. Let's ban no-bid contracts. Let's allow imports of cheaper pharmaceuticals from neighboring countries.

Let's see how much conservatives will stay true to "equal opportunity with un-equal results" when it affects their own pocketbooks.

9/12 Project said:
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington
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Fine. I don't want to be charitable to the military-industrial-congressional complex. No more tax money for the meat grinder. Thanks.

9/12 Project said:
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington
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You're right. So stop using the FCC to censor shows with too many boobies.

9/12 Project said:
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson
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All right then. Repeal the PATRIOT ACT, get rid of FISA, allow Alternative Voting methods, and allow more populism in the federal government by instituting a form of popular initiatives.

Also stop trying to repeal the 17th Amendment since such a repeal would decrease the power the people have over the federal government. Also stop trying to institute term limits for politicians since such a thing would prohibit people's freedom in choosing which elected officials to represent them.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
What does "Restoring Honor" have to do with Freedom of Speech and our troops that fought for it?
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I suspect it has to do with President Obama's political idol being a Republican who freed the slaves and united the country while Obama himself moves to divide the people and enslave them.

Not sure, though.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
But what does any of this have to do with "restoring honor"?
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I suspect "Restoring Honor" has to do with invoking an emotional response in those who are predisposed to buying tickets or otherwise handing over money.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Well, it starts off with the supposition that our country has lost its honor. Corruption, political games, and treating the citizenry like morons is something that has existed in politics forever. Yes, it's nice to want to fight against it, but to pretend it's something new or something that our country has ever been without is naive.

What's funny to me is on one hand this is an innocent charity event yet the name of the event is charged with partisanship. Your explanation of the name says it all.
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I don't know...I think bowing to foreign leaders, mislabeling the "reset button", constantly apologizing for American exceptionalism...things like that have cost us honor. Generally anything which makes our enemies claim to like us more also causes us to loose honor.
 
Update: The New Black Panthers are threatening to come protest the event.

Transcript:

Tommy Christopher: What do you think about the rally that Glenn Beck plans to have on August 28, the anniversary of Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream speech,” at the Lincoln Memorial?…Are you aware of it?

Malik Zulu Shabazz: I am aware of it, and that Glenn Beck should not be allowed to have this rally. Glenn Beck is a sneaky little devil, and he does sneaky things, and tries to portray that he’s really not the neo-racist that he really is. And for him to go and to secure the Lincoln Memorial on Dr. King’s birthday will meet not only opposition from civil rights leaders, but it’s going to meet direct opposition from the New Black Panther Party.

Since the Tea Party loves Glenn Beck and will be there, the New Black Panther Party can easily find the Tea Party, right with Glenn Beck. He can bring his Tea Party, and we’ll bring our party, and we’ll see Glenn Beck. Since he wants to go on Fox News, but he doesn’t want to invite us on Fox News, he’s had me on before, I guess he’s got the orders from the top, at Fox, not to have me on…

Tommy Christopher: Beck had you on before, but not anymore?

Malik Zulu Shabazz: Beck has had me on before, I’ve been on Sean Hannity about 20 times, he’s under orders not to have me on, Bill O’Reilly’s under orders not to have me on. This is all a conspiracy. I would say a Zionist conspiracy, but you would say “He’s too conspiratorial.”

But it’s some kind of conspiracy going on, to keep the truth out, and to keep us off the airwaves, to keep talking about us, but not talk to us. So we’ll see Glenn Beck live in person. I don’t think his rally should be allowed to happen.

Tommy Christopher: Once again, any members that show up, you would advise them to act within the law…

Malik Zulu Shabazz: I’m going to be there. I want to see him myself. Sneaky little devil.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-...lenn-beck-well-be-seeing-you-exclusive-video/
 
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Mellie said:
Update: The New Black Panthers are threatening to come protest the event.

Transcript:

Tommy Christopher: What do you think about the rally that Glenn Beck plans to have on August 28, the anniversary of Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream speech,” at the Lincoln Memorial?…Are you aware of it?

Malik Zulu Shabazz: I am aware of it, and that Glenn Beck should not be allowed to have this rally. Glenn Beck is a sneaky little devil, and he does sneaky things, and tries to portray that he’s really not the neo-racist that he really is. And for him to go and to secure the Lincoln Memorial on Dr. King’s birthday will meet not only opposition from civil rights leaders, but it’s going to meet direct opposition from the New Black Panther Party.

Since the Tea Party loves Glenn Beck and will be there, the New Black Panther Party can easily find the Tea Party, right with Glenn Beck. He can bring his Tea Party, and we’ll bring our party, and we’ll see Glenn Beck. Since he wants to go on Fox News, but he doesn’t want to invite us on Fox News, he’s had me on before, I guess he’s got the orders from the top, at Fox, not to have me on…

Tommy Christopher: Beck had you on before, but not anymore?

Malik Zulu Shabazz: Beck has had me on before, I’ve been on Sean Hannity about 20 times, he’s under orders not to have me on, Bill O’Reilly’s under orders not to have me on. This is all a conspiracy. I would say a Zionist conspiracy, but you would say “He’s too conspiratorial.”

But it’s some kind of conspiracy going on, to keep the truth out, and to keep us off the airwaves, to keep talking about us, but not talk to us. So we’ll see Glenn Beck live in person. I don’t think his rally should be allowed to happen.

Tommy Christopher: Once again, any members that show up, you would advise them to act within the law…

Malik Zulu Shabazz: I’m going to be there. I want to see him myself. Sneaky little devil.


New Black Panther Party to Glenn Beck: We’ll Be Seeing You (Exclusive Video) | Mediaite
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He doesn't even know when MLK's birthday is.
Where's the coverage of this? Can you imagine if this was someone from the tea party making threats to a liberal like Maddow or Olbermann?
I personally think this is a very scary man whose threats shouldn't be taken lightly. On the other hand I think he is trying to get people to stay home that day. I hope he doesn't succeed and Glenn Becks get together is so huge it can't be ignored.
O'Reilly had Glenn on the other night discussing Malik's threats. I was really getting pissed at Bill. He was treating it like a joke. I personally don't think it's a joking matter.
 
This could go down in history as the first integrated Tea Party event ever. Kudos to Beck for choosing Aug. 28th to get the ball rolling.
 
Mickey Shane said:
This could go down in history as the first integrated Tea Party event ever. Kudos to Beck for choosing Aug. 28th to get the ball rolling.
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It's not a tea party event. Yes, Glenn welcomed the NBP's to come in a peaceful manner. This rally is to unite Americans. Too bad so many have a problem with what he is trying to do.
 
Mellie said:
I find it amusing that people are planning on protesting it when they have absolutely no idea what's going to happen there. They're all insisting that it's going to be political "hate speech". I guess honoring our troops is hate speech. *shrug*
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When it comes to Palin and Beck, you can guarantee there will be a lot of hate speech, disguised as so called "patriotism"
 
Barbbtx said:
It's not a tea party event. Yes, Glenn welcomed the NBP's to come in a peaceful manner. This rally is to unite Americans. Too bad so many have a problem with what he is trying to do.
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Because Beck does not try to "unite Americans"....it is in his own selfish best interest to continue to spew his garbage and divide America with his outrageous grandstanding. The guy is a cancer on our community.
 
disneydude said:
When it comes to Palin and Beck, you can guarantee there will be a lot of hate speech, disguised as so called "patriotism"
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What is it you're thinking they will say that will be "hate speech"?
 
disneydude said:
Because Beck does not try to "unite Americans"....it is in his own selfish best interest to continue to spew his garbage and divide America with his outrageous grandstanding. The guy is a cancer on our community.
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If Beck is a cancer and a divider, what does that make Paris Lewis AKA Malik Zulu Shabazz?
I apologize if I missed where you demonized him too. Or do you consider him a true uniter because he is trying to unit blacks in the killing of crackers and their babies and to crash Becks rally.
 
Barbbtx said:
I can understand how people feel that way especially because it is Beck and Palin. However he is pretty adament about it not being a political event. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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I'm sorry, but anything involved with Beck and Palin is a political event. Look, Obama gives a message for kids to stay in school and take their education seriously, and Beck, et. al. called it "indoctrination".

Once you're a political figure, it's pretty much impossible NOT to be one. Let's be honest, if Beck (like Limbaugh once was) were hired for sports commentary, it would be a political move. And of course, Limbaugh screwed the pooch on that one.

Beck and Palin will merely use it as an opportunity to bash the President. It's their M.O. It's all they know how to do. It will make them money and expand their ratings and that is ALL they are both about. Period.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Let's be honest, if Beck were hired for sports commentary,
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LOL! I should send that to Beck's radio producer...he'd get a kick out of that since it's a running joke about Glenn on the show.

FilmFestGuy said:
Beck and Palin will merely use it as an opportunity to bash the President. It's their M.O. It's all they know how to do. It will make them money and expand their ratings and that is ALL they are both about. Period.
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I actually don't think Obama will even be mentioned.
 
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