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Thanks for the wonderful conversation yesterday Tucker. You gave me a lot of various things to think about and I will say again you are the first person to ever put up a legitimate argument within the actual confines of what's being discussed (IE not going "Well we're not a theocracy!") that has actually caused me to re-examine my view since my college profesor.
Reposted from another thread in regards to my new found views that are beginning to form.
Country = Specific geographical section of land
Nation = Population within particular portion of land
State = Government controlling said land and ruling over said Nation
My own views of the Nation of America has changed a bit, in large part thanks to tucker for being the only person I’ve ever met to actually give a legitimate argument against the notion of a Christian Nation. In my mind the Nation that is America is multi-faceted and to claim it as any specific nation singularly would be erroneous. What I would say however is that there is one particular umbrella Nation that one could state, that all other possible ones would fall under. I believe this would be that we are simply a “Nation of Americans”.
By that I mean we are a population who, from its inception to today and throughout the life of America as we will know it, all adhere and share to a point the common bond of the principles and histories that created the political will for this Nation to be born, which in turn formed a State. This is our shared history, that every citizen of the country has by default through their citizenship, our shared method of government by the people, and shared ideology of freedom and liberty that is the foundations from which this State and Nation was willed into being.
However, there are portions of the Nation that can be pointed out and I believe are still correct in their designation that co-exist within the above umbrella nation. Additionally, many of the things I would place under the umbrella actually do factor into the above Nation due to their part in shaping the history of the country.
We are an English Speaking Nation, as a significant portion of our population has that as their primary language, even though English is not our National Language. We are an Individualist Nation, as from the very onset of the Declaration of Independence we have cultivated and created a culture of individual freedom and liberty that is held in high regards by a significant majority of Americans. We are a Christian Nation, as a significant majority of this nation adhere’s to that particular religion and over the years has shaped the culture of the Nation. I would even dare say as well that you could state we are a “Nation of Excess” or a “Nation of Wealth” depending how you want to look at it, as I would claim in relation to the world our population significantly consumes and enjoys a more comfortable level of living as more than 75% of our households enjoy $20,000 more a year and more than 90% enjoying an income greater than the world average of $7,000 a year.
So essentially we are a Nation of Americans, which one could argue has sub designations that would be correct as well if applied as a generality but not implied as a definitive singularity.
So in essence I’d say this, and some are honestly my own opinion…
We are a fragmented country, due to the various internal territories within the overarching country.
We are a Nation of Americans of which contains various applicable subnations one could categorize it as.
We are as a State a secular representative republic based on the notion of individual liberty and equality.
Reposted from another thread in regards to my new found views that are beginning to form.
Country = Specific geographical section of land
Nation = Population within particular portion of land
State = Government controlling said land and ruling over said Nation
My own views of the Nation of America has changed a bit, in large part thanks to tucker for being the only person I’ve ever met to actually give a legitimate argument against the notion of a Christian Nation. In my mind the Nation that is America is multi-faceted and to claim it as any specific nation singularly would be erroneous. What I would say however is that there is one particular umbrella Nation that one could state, that all other possible ones would fall under. I believe this would be that we are simply a “Nation of Americans”.
By that I mean we are a population who, from its inception to today and throughout the life of America as we will know it, all adhere and share to a point the common bond of the principles and histories that created the political will for this Nation to be born, which in turn formed a State. This is our shared history, that every citizen of the country has by default through their citizenship, our shared method of government by the people, and shared ideology of freedom and liberty that is the foundations from which this State and Nation was willed into being.
However, there are portions of the Nation that can be pointed out and I believe are still correct in their designation that co-exist within the above umbrella nation. Additionally, many of the things I would place under the umbrella actually do factor into the above Nation due to their part in shaping the history of the country.
We are an English Speaking Nation, as a significant portion of our population has that as their primary language, even though English is not our National Language. We are an Individualist Nation, as from the very onset of the Declaration of Independence we have cultivated and created a culture of individual freedom and liberty that is held in high regards by a significant majority of Americans. We are a Christian Nation, as a significant majority of this nation adhere’s to that particular religion and over the years has shaped the culture of the Nation. I would even dare say as well that you could state we are a “Nation of Excess” or a “Nation of Wealth” depending how you want to look at it, as I would claim in relation to the world our population significantly consumes and enjoys a more comfortable level of living as more than 75% of our households enjoy $20,000 more a year and more than 90% enjoying an income greater than the world average of $7,000 a year.
So essentially we are a Nation of Americans, which one could argue has sub designations that would be correct as well if applied as a generality but not implied as a definitive singularity.
So in essence I’d say this, and some are honestly my own opinion…
We are a fragmented country, due to the various internal territories within the overarching country.
We are a Nation of Americans of which contains various applicable subnations one could categorize it as.
We are as a State a secular representative republic based on the notion of individual liberty and equality.