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Will Jesus Christ will return before your death?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ will return before your death?

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scourge99 said:
Or maybe making threats of eternal damnation or promises of eternal paradise is just emotional manipulation effective for recruiting new followers. An accidental or perhaps intentional early form of marketing.
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Well religion has definitely morphed into something along those lines in a lot of ways, but I think it would be cynical to assume that the original message held that intent.

I personally would like it if Jesus were somehow revived and walked the earth again. Maybe then many Christians of the world and all their varied sects could learn what the love of Christ actually means, and would stop their hateful ways towards other human beings. I would wish the same for Muslims and Jews, and their appropriate prophets.
 
I believe that if Jesus was coming we would sense it. I think he would let us know somehow and we would just know it.
 
Hrm.. Lets use the same format only a different line of questioning.

Capitalism will fail before or after you die?

1 before
2 after

EDIT: Even better.. Satan will defeat God before or after you die?
 
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Gabriel said:
Hrm.. Lets use the same format only a different line of questioning.

Capitalism will fail before or after you die?

1 before
2 after
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I see the answer no as containing the possibility of never, making it acceptable to those who think he will not return for whatever reason (like him not existing, if that is your belief). Its all in how you read it.

Also, I am going to go with before, given the current recession we are in.
 
Orion said:
Well religion has definitely morphed into something along those lines in a lot of ways, but I think it would be cynical to assume that the original message held that intent.

I personally would like it if Jesus were somehow revived and walked the earth again. Maybe then many Christians of the world and all their varied sects could learn what the love of Christ actually means, and would stop their hateful ways towards other human beings. I would wish the same for Muslims and Jews, and their appropriate prophets.
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Do you deny that jesus was an apocalyptical preacher? That the early christians and even current day believers anticipate an imminent arrival?

History is ripe with writings of christians in anticipation of the imminant return of jesus and with the apocalypse.

Doomsday prophesying was old hat even by Jesus' time.
 
Orion said:
I have to admit, there is an interesting correlation between most of the major world religions right now. They all believe that a messiah is coming to save us. Even the Hindus, who believe we are in the end stages of the Kaliuga, believe that Kali will soon be upon us; Buddhists think the Buddha Metreiya will come and save us in our darkest our; the Christians, Jesus; etc.

If all of these faith based belief systems stem from very ancient times, maybe they know something we don't. I'm not saying I believe Jesus will walk the earth, but... things are looking bleak around the world right now. It does feel like an end time to me, and based on my travels I think things will boil over soon.

I'm not so sure I buy into the idea of a messiah, but if it's true, then the question is not if one will come, but instead it is: when will be our "darkest hour"? Next year? 50 years? 100 years?
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According to my buddy Joel, the end-times and just around the bend. We're talking days/weeks/months here. He told me the oil-well blow-out punctured the planet in a way that will cause our demise. First, if I understood him correctly, the puncture will cause massive escape of both gasses and liquids that will create this HUGE void just below the ocean floor that will be gigantic in proportion. When the floor collapses into that void (think sink-hole,) a massive tsunami, never seen before of that magnitude will wipe out the entire Gulf of Mexico region sinking Florida. Then the methane will fill the atmosphere to lethal levels.

It is also worth mentioning that Joel claims to have gotten this intel from 2 reliable sources withing the government and one in the oil-industry. Joel is a brainiac too and I watched him become a millionaire in less than ten years. But I don't think he is very religious at all.

But I am not worried. I still have my plastic and duct tape.
 
Jesus wasn't here in the first place so why should he come again?

Other than some questionable lines by Josephus and a book of myths there really is no historical record of Jesus Christ.
 
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winston53660 said:
Jesus wasn't here in the first place so why should he come again?

Other than some questionable lines by Josephus and a book of myths there really is no historical record of Jesus Christ.
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Most scholars (even those non-religious) agree that Jesus did exist.
 
The apocalypse is just a stupid hyperbole version of what Christianity's original message of "the end" was.
Apocalypse = enlightenment.
There will be no mass deaths, there will be no hell. Satan will perish, Jesus Christ's message will flourish. Will the sinners relish in the light as well and purify there souls?
No idea. Anybody with knowledge on this topic say something because it makes one wonder what the incentives are for not being a sinner.
 
kaya'08 said:
The apocalypse is just a stupid hyperbole version of what Christianity's original message of "the end" was.
Apocalypse = enlightenment.
There will be no mass deaths, there will be no hell. Satan will perish, Jesus Christ's message will flourish. Will the sinners relish in the light as well and purify there souls?
No idea. Anybody with knowledge on this topic say something because it makes one wonder what the incentives are for not being a sinner.
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well that certainly isn't a literal interpretation. I care not anyway about what religion predicts.
 
Gabriel said:
well that certainly isn't a literal interpretation. I care not anyway about what religion predicts.
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No, you are right. The literal translation is "lifting of the viel"/"revelation" or something of the kind.
 
kaya'08 said:
No, you are right. The literal translation is "lifting of the viel"/"revelation" or something of the kind.
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Well that certainly is better then doomsday.
 
kaya'08 said:
The apocalypse is just a stupid hyperbole version of what Christianity's original message of "the end" was.
Apocalypse = enlightenment.
There will be no mass deaths, there will be no hell. Satan will perish, Jesus Christ's message will flourish. Will the sinners relish in the light as well and purify there souls?
No idea. Anybody with knowledge on this topic say something because it makes one wonder what the incentives are for not being a sinner.
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Doesn't sound much like any Christian eschatology I am familiar with.
 
Mellie said:
Most scholars (even those non-religious) agree that Jesus did exist.
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Like most myths there is usually some truth to the matter and a central figure it is based upon.

That doesn't mean the actual Jesus was anything like the religious promotional material make him out to be.
 
Goshin said:
Doesn't sound much like any Christian eschatology I am familiar with.
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An Apocalypse (Greek: Ἀποκάλυψις Apokálypsis; "lifting of the veil" or "revelation") is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e. the veil to be lifted. The term also can refer to the eschatological final battle, the Armageddon, and the idea of an end of the world. These perceptions may better be related to the phrase apokalupsis eschaton, literally "revelation at [or of] the end of the æon, or age". In Christianity The Apocalypse of John is the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible.

Where the book of revelation refers to the "end of the world", it means the end of the world as we know it. It was not meant to be taken so literally. Its an easy misinterpretation.
 
There really isn't a lot of evidence that jesus existed.

I had a professor of philosophy tell me once: exact quote "your trying to disprove the existence of Socrates aren’t you? well there is just as much evidence he existed as your jesus." At first I didn't understand how he came to that conclusion. Over time I started to understand. I made intellectual arguments regarding the reason virtue existed, unknowingly mind you. I argued that the only reason we have an ideal like virtue is that we created it ourselves to represent something we held in high regard naturally. Of course the argument to him was the legitimacy of Socrates and all his arguments being the figment of Plato’s imagination.

Complex arguments for sure but we were both off target at the time. I didn't understand how I was arguing for the existence of god till I understood the philosophical value in arguments that absolutism represented.

Anyhow this is a bit of a rant and maybe even a little off topic but the wine is getting me tonight. :)
 
kaya'08 said:
An Apocalypse (Greek: Ἀποκάλυψις Apokálypsis; "lifting of the veil" or "revelation") is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e. the veil to be lifted. The term also can refer to the eschatological final battle, the Armageddon, and the idea of an end of the world. These perceptions may better be related to the phrase apokalupsis eschaton, literally "revelation at [or of] the end of the æon, or age". In Christianity The Apocalypse of John is the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible.

Where the book of revelation refers to the "end of the world", it means the end of the world as we know it. It was not meant to be taken so literally. Its an easy misinterpretation.
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I'm aware of Revelations, and have studied it carefully.

I do not claim that I, or anyone else, understands it fully and in all details.

However, there is nothing in Revelations at all like what you posted above.
 
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