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Is wellfare today un-American?

Wellfare... Is it un-American


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I would rather my hard earned dollars not have the prefix "tax" in front of them.

And that means they shouldn't be stolen from me to bride either big business or little lazybones.

Most workers are NOT lazy. Some poeple cannot work for medical reasons and need that help. It's not right to call them lazy. That is a bull**** republican rhetoric passed by greedy business owners who do not deserve to be called "Americans" because they are the most un-American people on the planet.
 
Most workers are NOT lazy. Some poeple cannot work for medical reasons and need that help. It's not right to call them lazy. That is a bull**** republican rhetoric passed by greedy business owners who do not deserve to be called "Americans" because they are the most un-American people on the planet.

tell us vader-what causes your almost hysterical hard on for business owners. Lumping all together is rather silly IMHO
 
tell us vader-what causes your almost hysterical hard on for business owners. Lumping all together is rather silly IMHO

A fair question. I dislike big business because it is inherently corrupt. Businesses are allowed to do whatever to whoever without consequences. The laws of this country do not protect the American worker from these big business scumbags. The laws that claim to help American workers are vauge, inconsistant, and often manipulated by big business scumbags who do believe the should be subject to them.

Republicans do nothing but pander and teabag these big business scrumsuckers. Republicans (for the most part) are the tools used by business owners to avoid responsibility for their actions. This is the root of my extreme loathing of Republicans. In life, Republicans have only caused misery and suffering.

I answered your question because I felt, as someone who debates with you much of the time, it might help you to understand where I come from and why I think as I do.
 
A fair question. I dislike big business because it is inherently corrupt. Businesses are allowed to do whatever to whoever without consequences. The laws of this country do not protect the American worker from these big business scumbags. The laws that claim to help American workers are vauge, inconsistant, and often manipulated by big business scumbags who do believe the should be subject to them.

Republicans do nothing but pander and teabag these big business scrumsuckers. Republicans (for the most part) are the tools used by business owners to avoid responsibility for their actions. This is the root of my extreme loathing of Republicans. In life, Republicans have only caused misery and suffering.

I answered your question because I felt, as someone who debates with you much of the time, it might help you to understand where I come from and why I think as I do.

you opinion not shared but I give you credit. you answered directly and i am sure you believe this. I respect that even if I don't agree with it.
 
Well, first I'd have to ask are you legitimately and honestly wanting an answer or are you just looking for confirmation of belief? The reason I ask that is the question and the way you give it is unquestionably pitched in such a way that it displays your own personal bias and belief in the way you term it:

"is it unamerican for the federal government to take my money and give it to someone else because they think they are entitled to it."

In the most basic and literalistic reading of the words you wrote, then yes I'd view that as American. However, what you typed above is in general not the reasons legally or publicly given for why most of the entitlement programs exist in America. You may argue it's the private motivation behind them, but that is arguing what you believe to be peoples thoughts as if its fact, which is a bit more difficult especially when you're making it in a very broad sense.

Now if you ask the following which is a more honest representation of what the supposed purpose of entitlements are:

"Is it unamerican for the federal government to take my money and give it to someone else in hopes of increasing the overall well being of the country."

Then I think you'd get more to the crux of what entitlement programs purposes are. In that case I think it becomes far mroe questionable whether its "unamerican" to do such. Essentially the view on one side that no matter what "Good" you may think may come from the end, the means of taking it from someone that earned that money for himself is not justified by it. On the other side you have the view that the individual losing the money is still benefiting from it by people part of a society who overall is improved.

So to see if this is "unamerican" or not we need to look at the very principle of it...having something taken from you to help someone else which might or might not have a directly positive affect on your life. This is essentially what the government does often in a general sense of some sort. It is not "unamerican" to have taxes, there was nothing inherently "anti-all taxes" within the founding documents or the founders. They realized that government is an entity and anarchy is not preferable, and as such a government entity needs revenue of some kind. This money generated by taxes goes to variety of things like roads, the military, etc. Many of these things, especially in early America, could be very questioanble about rather or not they directly affect an individuals lives and how much it affects their lives in an indirect way.

I think Entitlements are generally an extension of this kind of thinking. As such, I think in the end, "no", I do not think Entitlement programs on the governments side of things are necessarily "UnAmerican" in principle. You could make an argument that the notion that it "helps society" isn't true, but that's an issue of opinion or disagreement on the outcome and not necessarily about intent. I do think that you could have a case in regards to some/many of them of being potentially unconstitutional, but something that is unconstitutional or someone that promotes something that's unconstitutional doesn't make someone "UnAmerican" (If it was you'd have George Bush being "UnAmerican" amongst almost all of the 2001 congress). However, in general, the notion of the government taking a citizens money to put that money into programs that's going to primarily help other citizens but overall believed to help everyone is not in and of itself an Unamerican theory
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Great response! :bravo:
 
Most workers are NOT lazy. Some poeple cannot work for medical reasons and need that help. It's not right to call them lazy. That is a bull**** republican rhetoric passed by greedy business owners who do not deserve to be called "Americans" because they are the most un-American people on the planet.

Your heart is in the correct place, and I DO agree with you. BUT.... myself living in Chicago I must say there are MANY here that abuse and steal from the ones that have.

That being said I dont know how the homeless DONT have welfare. :confused:
They NEED it! I dont know how one GETS welfare, but there are folks that need it and DONT have it, and ones that HAVE it and dont need it. :(
 
Most workers are NOT lazy. Some poeple cannot work for medical reasons and need that help. It's not right to call them lazy. That is a bull**** republican rhetoric passed by greedy business owners who do not deserve to be called "Americans" because they are the most un-American people on the planet.

Of course most workers aren't lazy.

That's why they're called "workers".

It's perfectly right to call people who won't work, lazy.

It's what the word "lazy" means.

As for those who can't work, if they don't wish to be lumped in with the lazy ones, they have to start campaigning vigorously to stop the transfer of wealth from the workers to the lazy.

Also, those who DO work would feel more charitable towards those that CAN'T work if those who WON'T work weren't handed the money stolen from those who WORK for it. Chew on that one for a while.

Speaking of robots and cliches, why did you just claim all business owners are "greedy" in your post complaining about your perception that not all welfare parasites are lazy?
 
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Your heart is in the correct place, and I DO agree with you. BUT.... myself living in Chicago I must say there are MANY here that abuse and steal from the ones that have.

That being said I dont know how the homeless DONT have welfare. :confused:
They NEED it! I dont know how one GETS welfare, but there are folks that need it and DONT have it, and ones that HAVE it and dont need it. :(

There are a lot of qualifiers for getting welfare, and welfare isn't a single program. Welfare is basically any public assistance program. You have to be able to maneuver through the bureaucracy in order to get it. I'm starting to be of the opinion that we should have some kind of official to help educate people on which government programs they can qualify for. If their taxes pay for it, then they should know which programs that they pay for they are eligible for.

As for the homeless, many of them are mentally ill, and so don't know enough on how to help themselves. This isn't a homeless problem but rather a mental illness problem. For that, we need social workers to reach out to them and provide mental health services. But good luck convincing people to pay taxes to help out others with conditions they can't help having.
 
I believe it was implied to mean: static American culture in which we must adhere. American culture, is by definition, a melting pot of different and everchanging beliefs. Which means that it is necessary to accept a differing belief. So to say that certain things, such as gay marriage, are not allowed because it's against the culture that is America is just dumb... that culture is meant to be constantly in flux and permissive.

What is the static German culture, or static French culture?
 
Income redistribution-fueled as a way for dem politicians to gain office and with it power and wealth-is going to destroy this nation


A ten second emotional response, via quick text, from the turtledude..
This question deserves better.
Why not do some research, better yet, talk with a welfare recipient?
I have been there(welfare line), its degrading... I'd rather starve, I think.
 
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*******For that, we need social workers to reach out to them and provide mental health services. But good luck convincing people to pay taxes to help out others with conditions they can't help having.*******
And with so many Ebenezer Scrooges around, this is not likely to improve.
 
A ten second emotional response, via quick text, from the turtledude..
This question deserves better.
Why not do some research, better yet, talk with a welfare recipient?
I have been there(welfare line), its degrading... I'd rather starve, I think.

I did felony arraignments for several years.

Try again
 
*******For that, we need social workers to reach out to them and provide mental health services. But good luck convincing people to pay taxes to help out others with conditions they can't help having.*******
And with so many Ebenezer Scrooges around, this is not likely to improve.

so you equate generosity with voting up the taxes of others?
 
I do NOT want one single dime of my taxpayer money to pay lazy people who won't work. Almost anyone can get a job. Why should they when the stupid government will pay them NOT TO WORK for TWO YEARS?!!
 
It is clear someone is unaware of our current jobmarket:(
 
SO THE BIG QUESTION...

is it unamerican for the federal government to take my money and give it to someone else because they think they are entitled to it.


MY TWO CENTS...

America was partly founded on this idea of "the prusuit for happiness". to me it seems wellfare is more like the "gift of happiness". Is there an excuss to be on wellfare today? I dont understand how someone born and raised in Mexico that doesn't speak english can somehow cross the border illegally and find work to better their families back in Mexico but an American born and raised in this nation some how cant make ends meet. Is the American public making excusses for these people on wellfare, and by giving it to them are we just keeping them content with there current situation. I think so. It seems that a majority of people on wellfare keep repeating the same cycle generatin after generation. There are people getting wellfare that have things like cable TV, cellphones, Internet etc... I'm all about helping someone out, but if im going to give someone a helping hand its going to be on my terms. i want to decide if that person deserves my help, not the government deciding for me.

I don't think accepting welfare is unAmerican.

But I think those people who make a career out of welfare have clouded the initiative beyond redemption. When teen-aged girls in inner cities have job objectives that include having a baby and getting a check, we've obviously done something wrong with the system. When inner-city families lack dads because it'll cut back or eliminate public assistance, and we're destroying families with our programs, something is wrong with the system. When single moms on public assistance are allowed to be stay-at-home moms while the rest of society needs two working parents to pay their bills, something is wrong with the system.

We've truly forgotten the old saw, "Public assistance is supposed to be a hand UP, not a hand out."
 
I do NOT want one single dime of my taxpayer money to pay lazy people who won't work. Almost anyone can get a job. Why should they when the stupid government will pay them NOT TO WORK for TWO YEARS?!!

Unemployment benefits doesn't go to people who won't work. Unemployment benefits go to people who can't find work, usually because there's no jobs available.

And even if there were jobs available, the poor who can't afford a car may have trouble looking for a job, depending on where they live. This is because of either 1) lack of government-provided public tranpsortation in the area in which they live because the people there don't want to pay the taxes to fund it or 2) lack of federally-mandated sidewalks and bike paths on roads that the poor could use in lieu of a car.

There are lots of poor people out there willing to work a job if 1) any jobs were available and 2) they had an affordable method of getting to work or looking for jobs.
 
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