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Do you own or someone in your household own a firearm?

Do you own or does someone in your household own a firearm?

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UtahBill said:
Think again....if we have a disaster that limits the delivery of food goods, and your neighbor thinks you have food hoarded, you better be well armed.
I don't fear my govt near as much as I do an armed, and hungry, mob...
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Well, Ok, but that's not the context in which the original statement was made, nor my response.
 
UtahBill said:
Think again....if we have a disaster that limits the delivery of food goods, and your neighbor thinks you have food hoarded, you better be well armed.
I don't fear my govt near as much as I do an armed, and hungry, mob...
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which is exactly why there is a legitimate reason for honest people to own high capacity semi auto firearms. someone with good cover and an open lane of fire with an FN FAL or a Steyr Aug is gonna make life miserable for a pack of wilding urban youths or a gang of crack heads
 
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Its getting a little rusted now, but it still shoots most the time when I pull the trigger (If I ever get enough money saved I'll upgrade!) Couple hundred ducks have been tacken over the past few years with it I would suppose.
 
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goldcatt said:
Nah, I was being facetious. But tell me, why should I be so scared of my neighbors that I feel the need to arm myself?
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The serial killer was a local, more or less.

When I was about 22, I was involved in an armed standoff with two neighbors, who had moved to entrap me on my own property for reasons unknown at the time. It turned out to be 1/2 honest mistake and 1/2 stupidity on their part, but it's a long story. Nobody died, fortunately.

Ever heard of home invasions? They don't just happen to crack dealers anymore.

A few years ago a pair of muggers tried to pull a hammer-and-anvil move on me and my son in Wal-Mart parking lot. They backed down because I spotted the move and reached for my gun before they were ready. Had I been unarmed (or unalert) the outcome might have been very very different.

If you don't want a gun that's your right, I'm just saying there are plenty of legitimate reasons to own and carry.
 
UtahBill said:
Think again....if we have a disaster that limits the delivery of food goods, and your neighbor thinks you have food hoarded, you better be well armed.
I don't fear my govt near as much as I do an armed, and hungry, mob...
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The other side of this scenario is if your neighbor has food hoarded and you don't, you're going to need a firearm to go get some lunch.
 
tryreading said:
The other side of this scenario is if your neighbor has food hoarded and you don't, you're going to need a firearm to go get some lunch.
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OTOH, if you had enough sense to put away some food and other preps against the possibility of disaster, you won't NEED to try to rob or murder your neighbor for his stash.
 
tryreading said:
The other side of this scenario is if your neighbor has food hoarded and you don't, you're going to need a firearm to go get some lunch.
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My experience is that most people who store food also have guns, and they are capable of using them.
 
goldcatt said:
Nah, I was being facetious. But tell me, why should I be so scared of my neighbors that I feel the need to arm myself?
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There isn't any reason why you "should" be scared of your neighbors. I'm not afraid of my neighbors, and I'm not as a rule scared of strangers, but one of the reasons for this is that I know how to defend myself, and I don't put myself in risky situations. It's not only a gun ownership issue- it's a smart-thinking prevention issue too. By all means, I don't encourage living in fear as a way of life, but ignorance can get you hurt much easier than knowledge and good sense.
 
Goshin said:
OTOH, if you had enough sense to put away some food and other preps against the possibility of disaster, you won't NEED to try to rob or murder your neighbor for his stash.
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Yeah, but, you know, say you haven't built up your stash yet, and he's got water and jerky and tuna and crackers and everything...

I read Lucifer's Hammer. After the impact, you either need to have supplies and guns and ammo
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you need to have guns and ammo.

Course, it's moot to me. I live in Florida, and when the comet makes water impact, we're all history down here.
 
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lizzie said:
Not at all. Are you familiar with many Mormons?
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Actually, they are my neighbors. I'm almost next door to the Deseret Ranch in Florida, biggest cattle ranch east of the Mississippi. They have a lot of guns and cattle. But I don't think they are like the typical survivalists I read about or hear about on the news.

Anyway, you know I was kidding about the robbing and possibly killing of people who may have food after a fictional disaster, right?
 
There is no way in hell I will put up a public record of whether I own a firearm. Do you think I'm nuts? That would make it possible for somebody to steal it if I had one. Or worse yet. take it and use it and put it back to frame me.
You may think this is conspiracy whackiness, but think on it. Identity theft is a real thing across the internet. Who knows what a foreign government will use hacked information for?
 
tryreading said:
Actually, they are my neighbors. I'm almost next door to the Deseret Ranch in Florida, biggest cattle ranch east of the Mississippi. They have a lot of guns and cattle. But I don't think they are like the typical survivalists I read about or hear about on the news.
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No, they are probably not your "typical" survivalist as portrayed in movies and such, but they do have a very good survival sense, and they believe strongly in being prepared for crises. I don't remember the specifics, but they encourage having enough food stored for a certain amount of time, and having enough money saved to live on for a specified time. The ones I know are not your stereootype paranoid end-times nuts. They are educated, reasonable, and sober in thought.

And as for the kidding- yeah I figured so, but alot of people really take this stuff seriously. Given that so many in our population have no clue how to grow or kill food to eat anymore, it's really something that is worth considering. Major metropolitan areas have, on average, three days worth of food to feed the entire city in an extreme emergency. When food runs out, people get pretty panicked. I don't mean to sound like a doomsdayer, but I come from people who grew and killed much of their own food. I was taught how to survive.:)
 
theunbubba said:
There is no way in hell I will put up a public record of whether I own a firearm. Do you think I'm nuts? That would make it possible for somebody to steal it if I had one. Or worse yet. take it and use it and put it back to frame me.
You may think this is conspiracy whackiness, but think on it. Identity theft is a real thing across the internet. Who knows what a foreign government will use hacked information for?
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So...what type of gun is it?
 
lizzie said:
No, they are probably not your "typical" survivalist as portrayed in movies and such, but they do have a very good survival sense, and they believe strongly in being prepared for crises. I don't remember the specifics, but they encourage having enough food stored for a certain amount of time, and having enough money saved to live on for a specified time. The ones I know are not your stereootype paranoid end-times nuts. They are educated, reasonable, and sober in thought.

And as for the kidding- yeah I figured so, but alot of people really take this stuff seriously. Given that so many in our population have no clue how to grow or kill food to eat anymore, it's really something that is worth considering. Major metropolitan areas have, on average, three days worth of food to feed the entire city in an extreme emergency. When food runs out, people get pretty panicked. I don't mean to sound like a doomsdayer, but I come from people who grew and killed much of their own food. I was taught how to survive.:)
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I grew up in the city, and never really hunted. Don't now either, even though I live in the woods, mol. I just don't like hunting. But if it were necessary, I would certainly hunt and kill animals in order to survive. You do what you have to.
 
tryreading said:
I grew up in the city, and never really hunted. Don't now either, even though I live in the woods, mol. I just don't like hunting. But if it were necessary, I would certainly hunt and kill animals in order to survive. You do what you have to.
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In such a situation, hunting is the least efficient way to capture food.

Trapping is the best.
Helpful tip, just in case. ;)
 
I plan to get one, but I haven't yet. I don't really know someone who could help me. I'm surprised my dad doesn't have one.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
In such a situation, hunting is the least efficient way to capture food.

Trapping is the best.
Helpful tip, just in case. ;)
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Hopefully, it'll never get that bad. Don't know anything about trapping. Can fish, a little.

The thing about the area where I live is you can plink an animal for food any day of the week. But you can't be too choosey, because the easy prey is mostly raccoons, sandhill cranes, squirrels, etc. We do have wild turkeys, though, and feral hogs. If you want illegal food, there are plenty of alligators, which are very easy to kill, and gopher tortoises and things. I wouldn't care to kill any of these, legal or illegal, but if the world falls apart for a while...
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
What are you looking for a handgun or long gun?
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I guess a handgun. I don't know. Although my neighbor has a long gun that I like. We haven't had much trouble but our balconies overlook the whole block.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I have about 3, I want a few more but haven't convinced myself to buy anymore yet.
An AK, Mosin Nagant and a Baby Eagle are on my list.
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I eventually want to go throught the hassle of getting an FFLIII under the collector portion of the license. Love the M.Nagant, fantastic rifle, not a fan of the AK, more prefer the G3, FAMAS, or FAL. I own a baby eagle .40 and I absolutely LOVE that gun, it sounds like a .40, hits like a .40, but kicks like a .22, very accurate and repositioning for a second shot is a breeze.
 
sazerac said:
I guess a handgun. I don't know. Although my neighbor has a long gun that I like. We haven't had much trouble but our balconies overlook the whole block.
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For home defense, a good "Beginner gun" is the Remington 870 12 gauge pump shotgun. Buy shells in that 12 gauge rating that are 00 or 0 in the shot-number, known as "buckshot". As an added advantage, you can hunt game of varying sizes with it tolerably well.

If you want a handgun, a good beginner handgun would be a .38 revolver. Smith and Wesson is good. Ruger is okay, and considerably cheaper. Don't get a snubbie unless you're planning to do the concealed carry thing, which is fine but I don't get that impression from what you're saying.

A more serious handgun would be the Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm, semi-automatic pistol. This is the weapon that most of the pro's are going to these days.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
I eventually want to go throught the hassle of getting an FFLIII under the collector portion of the license. Love the M.Nagant, fantastic rifle, not a fan of the AK, more prefer the G3, FAMAS, or FAL. I own a baby eagle .40 and I absolutely LOVE that gun, it sounds like a .40, hits like a .40, but kicks like a .22, very accurate and repositioning for a second shot is a breeze.
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I'm getting my C&R soon, just finished the paperwork last night, need to drop it in the mail.
Nagants are pretty, cheap and with plenty of inexpensive ammo.
Looking at maybe adding a Mauser and a K31, the K31 is the most accurate of the 3.

I like FAL's too but I've been a fan of the AK for a long time and never got one.
That time is coming, I've also seen some reproduction semi auto WW2 guns that are bad ass.


My two favorite, more obscure brands of handguns are CZ and Jericho(Baby Eagles).
Solid construction at a fair price.
 
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