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Gays in the Military

Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.


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Spoken like someone who has never been in the situation where your job is more than just a job. Your unit is your family, your brotherhood. Divisiveness in your unit makes you weak, incapable of completing your mission.

I agree, thats why people who are uncomfortable with someone's sexuality should get over it, be professionals, and not care. They have a job to do, and if someone's sexuality makes them so uncomfortable that they can't complete the job, then it's them who should be discharged from the military.
 
Females feeling violated is their own problem. If no one does anything physical to them, whatever their paranoia is, is for them to deal with.

This is why I shall support fully co-ed showering facilities in the military.

And hell, if we apply this principle to the military, who says we shouldn't apply it everywhere?

Think of how much money will be saved if businesses and workplaces dont have to build seperate bathrooms.... gyms dont have to make seperate locker/shower facilities.

Oh the possibilities.....

You think you're making a point, but you're not. Many women would have no issue with co-ed showers.

As it is, however, if you are showering with groups of people, you are already showering with some individuals who are sexually attracted to your gender.
 
I pointed out the flaw with hhis argument, since it does not take into account that gay men are not visibly different from strait men, whereas women are visibly different from men. Right now, every day, strait men are showing with gay men and there is no problem. Strait women are showing with gay women. It happens, and in many cases it happens with the strait person knowing it is happening. The only case where it is a problem is when some one acts innapropriately, and there are already regulations in place for those situations.

I of course don't buy this baseless "there is no problem" general assumption, but why would you assume that there would be a problem(or, relatively speaking, more problems) if it was straight males showering with females?
You assume that because of the different appearance, the sexual attraction between straight male to females would not be the same as the one between gay males to other males.
That's sceintifically wrong, there is no difference in the levels of sexual attraction between Homosexuality and Hetrosexuality.
 
Wouldnt have to spend time figuring it out, they would be openly gay. It would be BAM IN YO FACE. And everyone would know when Brad came walking in the shower that they were in the presense of a potential **** gazer.

So what? Since when do I care if some guy (or girl for that matter) is looking at my dick? I have more important things to worry about. Maybe you don't?
 
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You think you're making a point, but you're not. Many women would have no issue with co-ed showers.

As it is, however, if you are showering with groups of people, you are already showering with some individuals who are sexually attracted to your gender.

I think you can agree with him that the logical assumption would be that most of the women on this planet would have an issue with a group of males showering with them?
I find it quite logical really, seeing all of those complaints on sexual harrassment and stuff.
 
Gays should be allowed to serve openly int he military, but the current bill is full of pork so it should not be supported.

This should be a clean act for the right reasons, not perverted into a political maneuver for funding pet protects. Don't dishonor gays that way.

Assume for the sake of this poll that iit is it's own seperate bill, not tacked onto an appropriations bill.
 
I agree, thats why people who are uncomfortable with someone's sexuality should get over it, be professionals, and not care. They have a job to do, and if someone's sexuality makes them so uncomfortable that they can't complete the job, then it's them who should be discharged from the military.

This is very much my feeling. Why is it the fault of the gays that some people might feel uncomfortable?
 
So what? Since when do I care if some guy (or girl for that matter) is looking at my dick? I have more important things to worry about. Maybe you don't?

Cain's argument is deeper than that, and I think you know it.
 
I think you can agree with him that the logical assumption would be that most of the women on this planet would have an issue with a group of males showering with them?
I find it quite logical really, seeing all of those complaints on sexual harrassment and stuff.

Most women on this planet wouldn't have a desire to serve in the military.

As far as I'm concerned, make it all co-ed and let everyone deal with it. They aren't forced to join the military. If they don't want to shower with other people, they shouldn't join.
 
I think you can agree with him that the logical assumption would be that most of the women on this planet would have an issue with a group of males showering with them?
I find it quite logical really, seeing all of those complaints on sexual harrassment and stuff.

If it was part of the package for serving in the military, do you think many people would not enlist over this? Since already under current law, you are basically agreeing to shower with gays, I am just not seeing the problem.
 
This is very much my feeling. Why is it the fault of the gays that some people might feel uncomfortable?

Not only that. Pretending that gay people aren't there doesn't make them not be there. If someone is nervous that their privates (not the rank) may be gazed on while in the shower or a locker room. Guess what, its just as likely to be happening right now.
 
I agree, thats why people who are uncomfortable with someone's sexuality should get over it, be professionals, and not care. They have a job to do, and if someone's sexuality makes them so uncomfortable that they can't complete the job, then it's them who should be discharged from the military.

Again, you are a family, you need to be comfortable with one another in order to be sucessful.

Its not a ****ing 9-5 in some silly ass corporate office somewhere.
 
Not only that. Pretending that gay people aren't there doesn't make them not be there. If someone is nervous that their privates (not the rank) may be gazed on while in the shower or a locker room. Guess what, its just as likely to be happening right now.

It is happening now, and more than that, many/most people in the military are probably already showing with people they know, or at least suspect, are gay.
 
You think you're making a point, but you're not. Many women would have no issue with co-ed showers.

As it is, however, if you are showering with groups of people, you are already showering with some individuals who are sexually attracted to your gender.

And this is why I say ignorance is bliss. You cant feel uncomfortable about something you dont know about.
 
Most women on this planet wouldn't have a desire to serve in the military.
I agree, but I'm speaking about the female collective of the military.
As far as I'm concerned, make it all co-ed and let everyone deal with it. They aren't forced to join the military. If they don't want to shower with other people, they shouldn't join.
Understood.
Of course I strongly disagree with that since I believe that a lot of females that would have been able to greatly contribute to the military would be objecting to such an opinion.
 
So what? Since when do I care if some guy (or girl for that matter) is looking at my dick? I have more important things to worry about. Maybe you don't?

Ooh look at Blackdog making this personal.
 
Cain's argument is deeper than that, and I think you know it.

No it's not. We showered with other men since high school and college gay or not. It was never a problem. Now all of a sudden because it is the military, showering has become an exorcise in sexual voyeurism? Don't make me laugh.
 
Again, you are a family, you need to be comfortable with one another in order to be sucessful.

Its not a ****ing 9-5 in some silly ass corporate office somewhere.

Then it's the homophobes jobs to get comfortable with their fellow soldiers who are homosexual. The homosexuals aren't causing the problem the homophobes are, and we need to deal with them, not the LGBT soldiers. Like I said, their professionals, get over it, and do your job. If you can't get out.
Being a LGBT person isn't a bad thing, and we shouldn't punish them for wanting to serve in the military. They shouldn't be the ones having to sacrifice, because someone is uncomfortable with the way they live.
 
If it was part of the package for serving in the military, do you think many people would not enlist over this? Since already under current law, you are basically agreeing to shower with gays, I am just not seeing the problem.

I think that it'd make most female soldiers uncomfortable to the level of insecureness.
Basically I think it is a very very wrong decision that completely ignores the soldier's emotions as an individual.
I do however agree with gays serving in the military and I think that a creative solution should be found to the showers problem, but that is the only issue really.
 
I think that it'd make most female soldiers uncomfortable to the level of insecureness.
Basically I think it is a very very wrong decision that completely ignores the soldier's emotions as an individual.
I do however agree with gays serving in the military and I think that a creative solution should be found to the showers problem, but that is the only issue really.

Such as a booth with a shower curtain?
 
Appropriate response to your ****ty one.

Not really. You ignored most of the reply to you and commented on one aspect. Then I made a comment referring to the silliness of that argument and you go off on a tangent like it is an excuse for you really crappy argument.

Now we should stay on topic and leave the fallacy's at home.
 
Not really. You ignored most of the reply to you and commented on one aspect. Then I made a comment referring to the silliness of that argument and you go off on a tangent like it is an excuse for you really crappy argument.

Now we should stay on topic and leave the fallacy's at home.

Lets start with you.
 
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