Would YOU vote for this guy?

Redress said:

The black community votes by a large portion for democrats anyway.

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Why?? Because Democrats promise the moon when it comes to welfare goodies.

Redress said:

The black community votes by a large portion for democrats anyway. Further, a fair number of people voted against him because he is black.

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Well, the white extremist groups are clearly not that up in arms...he's still President.

Redress said:

It is a big deal. He is the first president who is not white.

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It seems to me that if you are not supposed to care about the color of someone's skin then it should not matter nor should it be brought up what Obama's race is regardless if he is the first half white and black president. The only people who care about someone's skin color are racist.

That does not mean that people in any significant numbers voted for him because he was black.

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Seeing how many people made a huge deal out of race I seriously doubt that. If a fair number of people voted against him because he is black then why do you think that only a insignificant amount of people voted for him because of the color of his skin?

TheServantCharles said:

Well, the white extremist groups are clearly not that up in arms...he's still President.

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Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service - Telegraph

Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history.

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..... clearly.

Bassman said:

Why?? Because Democrats promise the moon when it comes to welfare goodies.

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Are you saying over 90 % of the black community is on welfare?

TurtleDude said:

again everyone in contention was white so they got no advantage over every other contender

stop your bloodclot crying its silly

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Turtle. Do you realize the lack of logic of this statement in how it pertains to your argument? You just said that every contender was both equal AND WHITE. You have also said that no black person could have been elected during those other elections. That pretty much equates to blacks having a racial disadvantage in those elections, and NOT having equal footing.

Kandahar said:

What inspired this thread? Do we really need yet another thread bitching about Obama's election based on the same GOP talking points from 2008? You're about 18 months late, Caine. Does this thread serve any purpose other than race-baiting?

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I found the image humorous and wondered if someone would vote for him.

Caine said:

Short and Simple..........

Would you vote for him??????

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Hell no, he's too white.:roll:

mikhail said:

Obama got elected through a massive and very succesful marketing campaign.

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Grats... someone else gets it.

Redress said:

I always find it amusing how I am told time and again the only reason I voted for Obama was because he was black. I wonder how they know that, and I, who made the decision, thought I had based it on completely different reasons.

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Who told you that?

digsbe said:

Obama didn't win because he was black. People were tired of the Bush era of politics and simply didn't want McCain.

I don't know of a single person who voted for Obama because he is black, nor do I know anyone who even took his race into consideration when they voted for him.

People didn't vote for Obama because he is black.

They voted for a man with a vision and plan who happened to be black.

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Do you know of anyone who would admit to voting for Obama because he is black?

Redress said:

It is a big deal. He is the first president who is not white. That does not mean that people in any significant numbers voted for him because he was black.

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And I disagree.

I believe a great number of people voted for Obama because he is black.


When both candidates sucked on the issues.... what is going to be your selling point? Your character.


I voted for McCain because he is a veteran of a war, and has sacrificed much. Because that is something that I can relate to.


Where have I said that this is necessarily a bad thing?

Anyone?

TheServantCharles said:

okay, I'm ready to start tap dancing around what is being asked, and what has already been asked. Do you believe Obama's race factored favorably into his winning the 2008 election?

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You should start a poll.

Bassman said:

Uhh yes it does when you consider that 95% of the black community voted for Wonderboy.

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Harry Truman won 100% of the black vote.

Clinton won something like 96%.


Obama won about 90%.

ScottD said:

Harry Truman won 100% of the black vote.

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Harry Truman also didnt have more than a high school education.

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Caine said:

Harry Truman also didnt have more than a high school education.

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He also served under one of the greatest Presidents in US history, FDR. He had a good mentor.

digsbe said:

Obama didn't win because he was black. People were tired of the Bush era of politics and simply didn't want McCain.

I don't know of a single person who voted for Obama because he is black, nor do I know anyone who even took his race into consideration when they voted for him.

People didn't vote for Obama because he is black.

They voted for a man with a vision and plan who happened to be black.

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I remember a famous bimbette in 1972 who said

I CANNOT BELIEVE NIXON WON--EVERYONE I KNOW voted for MCGOVERN!

White guilt had alot to do with Obama's election. I saw dozen of Obama stickers on Mercedes and BMWs at a club I am a member of and everyone there has a net worth of at least a million. It was almost always the pampered poodlesque wives and trust fund idiot guys who weren't earning the money that Obama wants to tax.

and don't even tell me that 95% of the blacks actually agree with his politics over that of McCain

ScottD said:

Harry Truman won 100% of the black vote.

Clinton won something like 96%.


Obama won about 90%.

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Massa Lincoln Done Freed us but Massa Roosevelt's gonna feed us was a well known mantra back then.

Do you know what LBJ allegedly (no tape of it-just people claiming he said it) said when he got the Civil RIghts Bill passed?

I voted for Obama because I was voting against Palin. She does look good in leather, though.:roll:

CaptainCourtesy said:

Turtle. Do you realize the lack of logic of this statement in how it pertains to your argument? You just said that every contender was both equal AND WHITE. You have also said that no black person could have been elected during those other elections. That pretty much equates to blacks having a racial disadvantage in those elections, and NOT having equal footing.

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yeah it was a disqualifying feature but none of the white guys won because they were white because they were no different than the competition in that regard

Its like a race discrimination case. If the guy who beats you out for a job is the same age as you age discrimination was not the reason for your non-selection. If he is the same race or creed, then those factors are not the reason. Every white president in history did not win because of race

Obama's race was a big advantage. Again, tell me, do you believe that 96% of blacks agree with his policies more than McCains? Black conservatives admitted they were voting Obama because he was black

Caine said:

And I disagree.

I believe a great number of people voted for Obama because he is black.


When both candidates sucked on the issues.... what is going to be your selling point? Your character.


I voted for McCain because he is a veteran of a war, and has sacrificed much. Because that is something that I can relate to.


Where have I said that this is necessarily a bad thing?

Anyone?

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And I believe a greater number of people voted for Obama because he wasn't a Republican.

Look at the government response to all the debacles we've had during Bush's administration. I'm not saying that Bush was at fault for all of them, but because he, a Republican, was President, he allowed his fellows in the Republican Party to affect his executive decisions, which means that the blame for the poor government responses can be laid on various politicians from the GOP.

There's 9/11, there's the claim of WMDs in Iraq, there's fighting four wars at one time (Iraq, Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, War on Drugs,) cutting taxes during a time of increased military spending, deregulation of markets, increased censorship by the FCC after Janet Jackson showing a nipple on the Super Bowl, the mess that is No Child Left Behind, the government response to Hurricane Katrina on a federal, state, and local level, the Florida legislature, the Florida governor, the U.S. Congress, and the President all becoming involved in the legal battle of the Terri Schiavo case, the decrease in civil rights and civil liberties resulting from the PATRIOT Act, the corruption that occurred with the no-bid contracts that were given to Halliburton and KBR...

All of those things added up and the American people became tired of how the Republican Party was running the country. So they called for a change. If the Democratic Party had somehow fell apart and the Libertarian Party came to rival the Republican Party, we'd have a Libertarian President right now instead.

ScottD said:

He also served under one of the greatest Presidents in US history, FDR. He had a good mentor.

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Actually, Truman didn't serve under FDR for that long, and (if I remember my history correctly), Truman was chosen more by the bosses in the Democratic Party than by FDR himself.

When it comes to Truman's successes as President, I think he deserves most of those accolades himself.

Hatuey said:

Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service - Telegraph



..... clearly.

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yeah, that plot just sounds poorly planned out. My point, which is more of an off handed comment than a point is; if all the hate groups from the top down really wanted to get rid of Obama...I'd think we'd be hearing about attempts, and not about some hair brained plot that has no chance of working.

Caine said:

And I disagree.

I believe a great number of people voted for Obama because he is black.


When both candidates sucked on the issues.... what is going to be your selling point? Your character.


I voted for McCain because he is a veteran of a war, and has sacrificed much. Because that is something that I can relate to.


Where have I said that this is necessarily a bad thing?

Anyone?

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And I believe a great number of people voted against him because he was black. I also believe that just about any of the serious democratic candidates that election would have won had they won the primary, black, white, male, female.

Caine said:

DING DING DING DING DING.

We have a winner.


Barack Obama got millions of people out to the polls to vote for him, who normally would not have left home on election night, not because of his ideas, but because many people reacted to the color of his skin. Because either they self-identified with him, or because they had 'white guilt' as member 1069 likes to call it, or because they thought it was their duty to be involved in a historical event.

To those that didnt vote for one of the above mentioned reasons, I concede that Obama did a good job of propagandizing a slogan that made people view he was actually going to take the country in a different direction than President Bush, who most Americans, even conservatives, were quite pissed off at.

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not saying I agree with all the Obama has done because I dont but you conveniently left a group off the list. The people that voted against him simply because he is part black LMAO guess those people dont matter because well that would leave a huge gaping logical hole in your argument

Obama won simply because people at the time thought/think he is/was the better guy and belongs/belonged to the better party.

This still remains to be seen and any other issues are purely secondary and go on in one form or another in every election and they arent to be cried about.