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Would YOU vote for this guy?

Would you vote for this man for President?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 31.8%

  • No

    Votes: 15 68.2%
  • Total voters
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Kandahar said:
All black people get into Harvard Law School? All black people are accepted by the Chicago political machine?
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the year I applied to law school the most qualified successful black applicant to Yale, Harvard, Cornell and Columbia Law schools had scores that not a single white applicant was able to gain admittance with

in all cases, at least several hundred white students were turned down with scores the same or above the most qualified black applicant
 
TheServantCharles said:
okay, I'm ready to start tap dancing around what is being asked, and what has already been asked. Do you believe Obama's race factored favorably into his winning the 2008 election?
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No. Certainly not to the extent that race factored favorably for the 42 guys before him.
 
Bassman said:
What jobs where?? Oh but I forgot, you love government over the private sector so one must assume government jobs.

And killing the private sector in the process, Bolsheveik! It was Fannie and Freddie, two Democrat sacred cows, that created this mess in the first place, Bolsheveik.
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As you can see, jobs have been created. "The Right Thing to Do" | The White House
March and April have both seen an increase in jobs

Obama is not killing the private sector, he is reforming and saving it.

The private sector has failed, they have gone unregulated and now many have lost their jobs.

And please stop calling me a Bolsheveik.
TheServantCharles said:
I'm sorry, but you're making claims without any proof. What proof or statistics can you show me that says jobs are "being created" and the economy is "looking better"?

So what exactly are you blaming the banks for?
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The website link I posted gives proof to job creation. As of now the economy looks like it is getting better.

And the banks were the ones who were left unregulated, sure they made bad loans, but they also acted riskily.

Their risk has costed the nation a great deal of harm.

The banks aren't the only ones at fault and who contributed to the recession, but they played their part.
 
Kandahar said:
No. Certainly not to the extent that race factored favorably for the 42 guys before him.
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that is idiotic

race was Obama's only selling point

without it no harvard law, no columbia etc
 
TurtleDude said:
that is idiotic

race was Obama's only selling point

without it no harvard law, no columbia etc
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As I already explained, if any president before Obama wasn't white, THEY wouldn't have had their fancypants background either. So what's your point? We're all aware that external factors influence a person's success. Did you have some conclusion beyond that?
 
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Kandahar said:
Yeah, and as I already explained, if any president before Obama wasn't white, THEY wouldn't have had their fancypants background either. So what's your point?
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Reagan, Carter, CLinton, Ike pretty much earned the office on merit

Your pathetic attempts to avoid the obvious is just that pathetic
 
I would. Just to piss off all the "I am going to vote against the other guy" ass holes in both party's.

I never could stand people who vote for someone not because of views, but their chances of beating the other party.

You all suck. :2wave:
 
TurtleDude said:
Reagan, Carter, CLinton, Ike pretty much earned the office on merit

Your pathetic attempts to avoid the obvious is just that pathetic
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Alright I think I see what you're saying. Obama playing on his biracial origins is different than Bush playing on his conservative white man image. And Reagan doing the same. And Clinton doing the same. And Carter doing the same.
 
TurtleDude said:
Reagan, Carter, CLinton, Ike pretty much earned the office on merit
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Ike was elected in 1952...not exactly the best time in America for race relations. If he wasn't white, he wouldn't have been a five-star general and certainly wouldn't have been elected president. Period.

Carter was elected in 1976. It would be EXTREMELY optimistic to suggest a black man could've been elected president then. But even if it was possible, it wouldn't have applied to Carter. It's highly unlikely he could've got into Georgia Tech or the US Naval Academy in the 1940s if he was black, and he certainly wouldn't have been elected governor of Georgia.

Reagan - There weren't too many famous black cowboys. If he was black, he would not have been a famous Western actor, and therefore would not have been president.

Clinton - If he was black, he would not have been able to get elected governor of a southern state in the 1970s. Ergo, no political career. Ergo, no presidency.

TurtleDude said:
Your pathetic attempts to avoid the obvious is just that pathetic
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Your pathetic attempt to avoid the obvious that external factors (such as race) have been important for EVERY president is just that: pathetic. Funny how you only shriek about race helping someone when that person is of a different race than you. Hmm.
 
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Hatuey said:
Alright I think I see what you're saying. Obama playing on his biracial origins is different than Bush playing on his conservative white man image. And Reagan doing the same. And Clinton doing the same. And Carter doing the same.
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everything Obama had was based on his race not merit

Reagan was governor of california after being president of the SAG
Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and governor of Arkansas
Carter was a very good naval cadet and officer and governor
Ike was a top cadet and then supreme allied commander

they got all of that on merit

Obama got into Harvard because he was black

he got his primary opponent DQ'd in Illinois and then lucked out when some lib judge allowed a muckraking journalist to get sealed divorce court records of the GOP candidate

he's a joke
 
Kandahar said:
No. Certainly not to the extent that race factored favorably for the 42 guys before him.
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No, it didn't...but then you proceed to attach a qualifying statement after that? So...it did factor in favorably, but no as much as the fact that the 42 others before him...so those guys became President because they're white?
 
Kandahar said:
Ike was elected in 1952...not exactly the best time in America for race relations. If he wasn't white, he wouldn't have been a five-star general and certainly wouldn't have been elected president. Period.

Carter was elected in 1976. It would be EXTREMELY optimistic to suggest a black man could've been elected president then. But even if it was possible, it wouldn't have applied to Carter. It's highly unlikely he could've got into Georgia Tech or the US Naval Academy in the 1940s if he was black, and he certainly wouldn't have been elected governor of Georgia.

Reagan - There weren't too many famous black cowboys. If he was black, he would not have been a famous Western actor, and therefore would not have been president.

Clinton - If he was black, he would not have been able to get elected governor of a southern state in the 1970s. Ergo, no political career. Ergo, no presidency.



Your pathetic attempt to avoid the obvious that external factors (such as race) have been important for EVERY president is just that: pathetic. Funny how you only shriek about race helping someone when that person is of a different race than you. Hmm.
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MOre psychobabble. you try to justify a second rate candidate whose main qualification and advantage was his race versus other candidates where race was not the issue
 
TurtleDude said:
Reagan was governor of california after being president of the SAG
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Would Reagan have been a famous Western actor if he was black?

TurtleDude said:
Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and governor of Arkansas
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Would Clinton have been governor of Arkansas in the 1970s if he was black?

TurtleDude said:
Carter was a very good naval cadet and officer and governor
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Would Carter have been governor of Georgia in the 1970s if he was black?

TurtleDude said:
Ike was a top cadet and then supreme allied commander
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Could Ike have been a five-star general during WWII or elected president in 1952 if he was black?

TurtleDude said:
they got all of that on merit
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No, none of them would have got where they were if they had been black.
 
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TurtleDude said:
MOre psychobabble. you try to justify a second rate candidate whose main qualification and advantage was his race versus other candidates where race was not the issue
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An excellent rebuttal. You've soundly defeated all my points with your brilliant logic. :2wave:
 
TheServantCharles said:
No, it didn't...but then you proceed to attach a qualifying statement after that? So...it did factor in favorably, but no as much as the fact that the 42 others before him...so those guys became President because they're white?
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Yes, they did.
 
Kandahar said:
Would Reagan have been a famous actor if he was black?



Would Clinton have been governor of Arkansas in the 1970s if he was black?



Would Carter have been governor of Georgia in the 1970s if he was black?



Could Ike have been elected president in 1952 if he was black?



No, none of them would have got where they were if they had been black.
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when being white didn't get you a specific advantages compared to the majority of those you are competiting against means it didn't matter. Ike got no advantage against every other contender for West Point, General etc by being White



Obama got a big advantage over the majority when he applied to law school and when he ran for president due to his color
 
Kandahar said:
An excellent rebuttal. You've soundly defeated all my points with your brilliant logic. :2wave:
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you really aren't that much of a challenge
 
TurtleDude said:
MOre psychobabble. you try to justify a second rate candidate whose main qualification and advantage was his race versus other candidates where race was not the issue
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I just *love* how you use the phrase "race was not the issue" when describing the other candidates. Why is that? Why wasn't race an issue for them? Because their skin is the same color as yours?
 
Kandahar said:
Yes, they did.
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wrong-you confuse not being saddled with a disqualifying attribute at the time versus having a clear advantage

if blacks were the majority the whole issue would be different
 
Kandahar said:
Logic is not your strong point.
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LOL that is like Bill Clinton telling someone else that fidelity is not their strong point
 
TurtleDude said:
when being white didn't get you a specific advantages compared to the majority of those you are competiting against means it didn't matter.
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Are you ****ing kidding? Being white didn't get you specific advantages? Did you forget about that whole civil rights movement thingie?

TurtleDude said:
Ike got no advantage against every other contender for West Point, General etc by being White
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Because there were no black applicants because they would not have been accepted and/or because they didn't receive a good education in segregated schools.

TurtleDude said:
Obama got a big advantage over the majority when he applied to law school and when he ran for president due to his color
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This is ****ing retarded. How can you possibly say that being black helped Obama get into law school in the 1980s while denying that being white helped Ike get into West Point in the 1910s? I think you know damn well this isn't true, and you're just in a trolling mood tonight.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong-you confuse not being saddled with a disqualifying attribute at the time versus having a clear advantage
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If you saddle your competition with DISADVANTAGES, then that IS an advantage. Don't be ridiculous.

TurtleDude said:
if blacks were the majority the whole issue would be different
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:doh
Just stop talking. Please. I've already lost so much respect for you tonight. :doh
 
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