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Would YOU vote for this guy?

Would you vote for this man for President?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 31.8%

  • No

    Votes: 15 68.2%
  • Total voters
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Redress said:
And I believe a great number of people voted against him because he was black. I also believe that just about any of the serious democratic candidates that election would have won had they won the primary, black, white, male, female.
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I believe those who voted for him merely because he was black well outnumbers those who would have voted for a white man with the same politics.
 
TurtleDude said:
I believe those who voted for him merely because he was black well outnumbers those who would have voted for a white man with the same politics.
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I seriously doubt that, the numbers of the votes alone would seem to prove that wrong unless of course you believe that 50% or his votes were based on race. Heck I know YOU didnt say this im just making a point even if every so called minority in the US (something like 15-17% of total population) voted for him based on race a very large part of white america would still have to vote for him also or he'd never even come close to winning.
I think its more because so many people were upset with bush most were willing to vote democrat pretty much no matter what especially once Palin was introduced to the mix.

I have always said I think it was BRILLIANT for the Reps to put a female on the bill the just picked the wrong one
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah it was a disqualifying feature but none of the white guys won because they were white because they were no different than the competition in that regard
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That is such bull****. If you choke off the competition at an earlier level so that they never compete for those jobs/colleges in the first place, that is no different than letting them apply and then denying them those jobs/colleges. It is racial discrimination in either case.

Not a single one of the first 42 presidents would have gotten to where they did if they were black. Period.

TurtleDude said:
Its like a race discrimination case. If the guy who beats you out for a job is the same age as you age discrimination was not the reason for your non-selection. If he is the same race or creed, then those factors are not the reason.
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If members of other races are systematically denied the opportunity to become qualified for the job in the first place, then you most certainly do have a racial advantage.

TurtleDude said:
Every white president in history did not win because of race
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Yes. They did. You're trying to draw a meaningless distinction, for no purpose other than (as best I can figure it) you're sympathetic to discrimination against whites and you aren't sympathetic to discrimination against blacks. You're telling me that Obama had an advantage over white people early in his education/career because he was black...yet you are refusing to acknowledge that every other president has had some advantage in THEIR background because they were white.

TurtleDude said:
Obama's race was a big advantage. Again, tell me, do you believe that 96% of blacks agree with his policies more than McCains? Black conservatives admitted they were voting Obama because he was black
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Do you believe that whatever-percent of poor trailer trash rednecks agree with McCain's policies more than Obama's? Hicks admitted they were voting for McCain because he was white.
 
Of course, since you're talking about Obama and he has never made most of those statement, it's a pointless question. Further, those statements that he has made, weren't made prior to the 2008 election, so again, what difference does it make?

Grow up and deal with the current reality already. Stop whining.
 
samsmart said:
And I believe a greater number of people voted for Obama because he wasn't a Republican.

Look at the government response to all the debacles we've had during Bush's administration. I'm not saying that Bush was at fault for all of them, but because he, a Republican, was President, he allowed his fellows in the Republican Party to affect his executive decisions, which means that the blame for the poor government responses can be laid on various politicians from the GOP.

There's 9/11, there's the claim of WMDs in Iraq, there's fighting four wars at one time (Iraq, Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, War on Drugs,) cutting taxes during a time of increased military spending, deregulation of markets, increased censorship by the FCC after Janet Jackson showing a nipple on the Super Bowl, the mess that is No Child Left Behind, the government response to Hurricane Katrina on a federal, state, and local level, the Florida legislature, the Florida governor, the U.S. Congress, and the President all becoming involved in the legal battle of the Terri Schiavo case, the decrease in civil rights and civil liberties resulting from the PATRIOT Act, the corruption that occurred with the no-bid contracts that were given to Halliburton and KBR...

All of those things added up and the American people became tired of how the Republican Party was running the country. So they called for a change. If the Democratic Party had somehow fell apart and the Libertarian Party came to rival the Republican Party, we'd have a Libertarian President right now instead.
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I get your message.

But then you went and screwed it up with your list of **** that he had nothing to do with most of them, or those same decisions are still being made now.
 
O_Guru said:
not saying I agree with all the Obama has done because I dont but you conveniently left a group off the list. The people that voted against him simply because he is part black LMAO guess those people dont matter because well that would leave a huge gaping logical hole in your argument
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Ummm...... Who is President?

To win an election you have to do what?

Okay...so what does that tell you about your stupid comment?

kthxbye.


This still remains to be seen and any other issues are purely secondary and go on in one form or another in every election and they arent to be cried about.
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Who is crying?
 
Cephus said:
Of course, since you're talking about Obama and he has never made most of those statement, it's a pointless question. Further, those statements that he has made, weren't made prior to the 2008 election, so again, what difference does it make?

Grow up and deal with the current reality already. Stop whining.
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Ummmm........ Who is whining?
 
Caine said:
I get your message.
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Apparently you didn't.

Caine said:
But then you went and screwed it up with your list of **** that he had nothing to do with most of them, or those same decisions are still being made now.
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I agree - Bush didn't have anything to do with all of them. However, the people who did have something to do with them were Republicans, and so in the '08 election the voters elected Obama because they were tired of Republicans, not just Bush, running the government.

And you're right - most of that crap is still happening now. But what you don't get is that all of that crap would still be happening under a GOP President.

So just as the Democrats are no real alternative to the GOP when it comes to the Presidency, neither is the GOP a real alternative to the Democrats.

Which is why I want alternative voting systems put in place to allow better multi-party representation in government so the people of the United States can get will change when they call for it.
 
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Ockham said:
If this guy is the best candidate, I wouldn't vote.
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I'd lobby for alternative voting systems so we can get larger pools of better candidates running.
 
Caine said:
Ummmm........ Who is whining?
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Every self proclaimed oppressed white male with an inferiority which has graced this thread.

All we hear is crying about how one upon a time in some magical land TurtleDude didn't get into the school he wanted to get into but a black guy did. Which is somehow evidence that Obama got to where he is because of Affirmative Action.

You crying because Obama is black.

And whoever TheServantCharles saying the racial advantage white Presidents had in this country wasn't really a racial advantage even though if they'd been black they wouldn't have gotten to be President.

There are a few people whining.

Any questions?
 
Hatuey said:
Every self proclaimed oppressed white male with an inferiority which has graced this thread.

All we hear is crying about how one upon a time in some magical land TurtleDude didn't get into university but a black guy did. Without any evidence.

You crying because Obama is black.

And whoever TheServantCharles saying the racial advantage white Presidents had in this country wasn't really a racial advantage even though if they'd been black they wouldn't have gotten to be President.

There are a few people whining.

Any questions?
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Bottom line Hatuey - on the issues and race aside... most would not vote for those items pictured. YOU should stop whining about race... and deal with the issue at hand.
 
Ockham said:
Bottom line Hatuey
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Glad you popped in Ockham.

- on the issues and race aside... most would not vote for those items pictured.
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Because they're misrepresentations of what Obama actually said. I mean I wouldn't expect Caine to actually provide the quotes from Obama. I'd just expect him to show us all a picture of what he thinks Obama said and then present it as what Obama said. Its too bad it has completely backfired at him and he's simply preaching to his own choir.

YOU should stop whining about race... and deal with the issue at hand.
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The entire thread has been about Caine complaining about Obama's race. Seriously? What other issue is there?
 
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TurtleDude said:
yeah it was a disqualifying feature but none of the white guys won because they were white because they were no different than the competition in that regard

Its like a race discrimination case. If the guy who beats you out for a job is the same age as you age discrimination was not the reason for your non-selection. If he is the same race or creed, then those factors are not the reason. Every white president in history did not win because of race
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None of this really matters because of the big picture. If you are never given the chance to try for a job because of your age, you were STILL in competition... you were just not allowed to get past the first step.

Obama's race was a big advantage. Again, tell me, do you believe that 96% of blacks agree with his policies more than McCains? Black conservatives admitted they were voting Obama because he was black
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I believe that Obama's race was a factor on BOTH sides of the coin. I wouldn't doubt that, amongst blacks, there were some who voted for him just because of his race. I would also imagine that amongst whites, there were some who voted against him just because of his race. Remember what LBJ said after he passed the Civil Rights Act? ;)
 
Hatuey said:
Glad you popped in Ockham.
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Glad to be here Hatuey.

Hatuey said:
Because they're misrepresentations of what Obama actually said.
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Then please make the necessary corrections because it was fairly clear to me exactly what each one of those items were.

Hatuey said:
I mean I wouldn't expect Caine to actually provide the quotes from Obama.
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So take a shot and put the actual verbatim quotes for each one of those items.

Hatuey said:
The entire thread has been about Caine complaining about Obama's race. Seriously? What other issue is there?
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The issue is "would you vote for a person who espouses _______" and I think the overwhelming answer is no we wouldn't when viewing this at face value.
 
Hatuey said:
The entire thread has been about Caine complaining about Obama's race. Seriously? What other issue is there?
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If you actually read MY posts. You'll see I am not complaining about Obama's race, but about people not wanting to admit that his race had a role in him getting elected.

Two different sides.

But keep trolling like you always do.
 
O_Guru said:
I seriously doubt that, the numbers of the votes alone would seem to prove that wrong unless of course you believe that 50% or his votes were based on race. Heck I know YOU didnt say this im just making a point even if every so called minority in the US (something like 15-17% of total population) voted for him based on race a very large part of white america would still have to vote for him also or he'd never even come close to winning.
I think its more because so many people were upset with bush most were willing to vote democrat pretty much no matter what especially once Palin was introduced to the mix.

I have always said I think it was BRILLIANT for the Reps to put a female on the bill the just picked the wrong one
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I think you are wrong about the numbers but-you are right lots of whites voted for him. Meaning people didn't vote against him due to color
 
Kandahar said:
That is such bull****. If you choke off the competition at an earlier level so that they never compete for those jobs/colleges in the first place, that is no different than letting them apply and then denying them those jobs/colleges. It is racial discrimination in either case.

Not a single one of the first 42 presidents would have gotten to where they did if they were black. Period.



If members of other races are systematically denied the opportunity to become qualified for the job in the first place, then you most certainly do have a racial advantage.



Yes. They did. You're trying to draw a meaningless distinction, for no purpose other than (as best I can figure it) you're sympathetic to discrimination against whites and you aren't sympathetic to discrimination against blacks. You're telling me that Obama had an advantage over white people early in his education/career because he was black...yet you are refusing to acknowledge that every other president has had some advantage in THEIR background because they were white.



Do you believe that whatever-percent of poor trailer trash rednecks agree with McCain's policies more than Obama's? Hicks admitted they were voting for McCain because he was white.
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Given Obama/Biden was the most anti gun ticket in history of the dem party (based on their actions up to the day of the election) I can see why "hicks" voted for McCain who at least was not rated an F by all the gun groups and Palin who was a solid A from all the gun groups

Biden was rated the worst senator by most pro gun groups and Obama was a solid F
 
Caine said:
Ummm...... Who is President?

To win an election you have to do what?

Okay...so what does that tell you about your stupid comment?

kthxbye.



Who is crying?
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wow none of what you said made any logical sense, if you hav no response just say so, no need to try and deflect lol
 
TurtleDude said:
I think you are wrong about the numbers but-you are right lots of whites voted for him. Meaning people didn't vote against him due to color
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it doesnt mean that at all because its a FACT that people did lol cant change that my point was though that his race is SECONDARY and that it didnt get him elected
 
Caine said:
If you actually read MY posts. You'll see I am not complaining about Obama's race, but about people not wanting to admit that his race had a role in him getting elected.

Two different sides.

But keep trolling like you always do.
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Race has had a role in getting every single US President elected. Yet you only choose to complain about it when it's the black guy instead of one of the 42 white guys.
 
TurtleDude said:
Given Obama/Biden was the most anti gun ticket in history of the dem party (based on their actions up to the day of the election) I can see why "hicks" voted for McCain who at least was not rated an F by all the gun groups and Palin who was a solid A from all the gun groups

Biden was rated the worst senator by most pro gun groups and Obama was a solid F
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Wow, I marvel at your ability to just take the topic and run in an entirely different direction instead of just admitting that you're wrong. Kudos. :roll:
 
Kandahar said:
Wow, I marvel at your ability to just take the topic and run in an entirely different direction instead of just admitting that you're wrong. Kudos. :roll:
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thinking rather than feeling is "wrong" to libs. But you re the one who is wrong-I know why lots of people you call "rednecks" voted against Obama-Biden. It is because Obama-Biden was the most anti gun ticket in history. Given McCain was sort of pro gun and Palin could be an NRA poster-chick your insinuation that "hicks" or "rednecks" didn't approve of McCain's policies is an outright lie. most working class whites aren't in favor of losing jobs to less qualified minorities either-remind me which party pushes affirmative racism
 
O_Guru said:
it doesnt mean that at all because its a FACT that people did lol cant change that my point was though that his race is SECONDARY and that it didnt get him elected
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wrong--very few people who normally would vote for far left welfare-socialist types voted against Obama-Biden.

many pepole who normally would not did
 
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