Is this racism?

''...then maybe I'll agree with you.''

You don't have to agree with me. Terminal nit picking about details of what I said, what the opening poster said... would not be useful, in my opinion.

Mell said:

''So ready to convict someone for not conforming to the political correct utopian desires of yourself. ''
Everybody knows, that making unfounded negative assessements about a group of people, is not politically correct.

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I guess it's good that didn't happen.

As an aside, though, people can take "politically correct" and shove it up their ass.

Mell said:

''...then maybe I'll agree with you.''

You don't have to agree with me. Terminal nit picking about details of what I said, what the opening poster said... would not be useful, in my opinion.

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What im trying to figure out is how you, or anyone, can come to the conclusion that the guy in the OP is making a statement about all Filipinos because he draws another person into his joke and the recognizes the coincidence that they are from the same country.

You know how often **** like this happens to white people and we fail to recognize and condemn or criticize it? Its all a part of the "one edged sword" of racism.

''As an aside, though, people can take "politically correct" and shove it up their ass. ''

Maybe, you yourself will one day be on the wrong end of it. It might take one incident, or just a little more awareness, or something else for you to realise the importance of political correctness.



''You know how often **** like this happens to white people and we fail to recognize and condemn or criticize it?''

It has happened to me too. But, I really don't see a need to condemn it, even if I dont agree with what some folks have said to me. For sure it irritates me, but it is the expected fall out, of post oppression.



Anyway, I have the advantage of being able to look at the issue from a number of angles, because I belong to a couple of the put upon groups, as well as being of the skin colour which is not put upon.

Mell said:

''As an aside, though, people can take "politically correct" and shove it up their ass. ''

Maybe, you yourself will one day be on the wrong end of it. It might take one incident, or just a little more awareness, or something else for you to realise the importance of political correctness.

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There is no "wrong end of it". There's people's opinions, and that is it. No one has the right not to be offended, and if someone gets offended, that's their problem.

Anyway, I have the advantage of being able to look at the issue from a number of angles, because I belong to a couple of the put upon groups, as well as being of the skin colour which is not put upon.

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Why do you think you're unique in that regard?

Caine said:

And as soon as you explain to me where the person in the story of the OP made "negative assessments about a g r o u p of people" then maybe I'll agree with you.

You, like Disneylib, are creating your own conclusions from the story, the conclusions that you want to conclude so you can then turn the chicken scratch philipino dude into a victim of racism, so then you'll have something liberal-like to cry about.

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and your response is typical of the offender. Its never that they are being racist or insenstive, its ALWAYS that the other person is overly sensitive.

Reminds me of a guy that I work with that loves to tell jokes about Jews being cheap. Whenever someone calls him on it, his response is always "You guys have no sense of humor...quit being so damned sensitive"....right....its always the other guys fault because the offenders see nothing wrong with their statements.

Caine said:

What im trying to figure out is how you, or anyone, can come to the conclusion that the guy in the OP is making a statement about all Filipinos because he draws another person into his joke and the recognizes the coincidence that they are from the same country.

You know how often **** like this happens to white people and we fail to recognize and condemn or criticize it? Its all a part of the "one edged sword" of racism.

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Because you guys are simply disregarding the obvious intention of the mention of the country and writing it off as simply a "coincidence".

Its no different that if he said, your handwriting is as bad as "Joe's" and he's black too.

Why draw the distinction to both of them being black unless you are implying that the bad handwriting is a trait of the group.

disneydude said:

Because you guys are simply disregarding the obvious intention of the mention of the country and writing it off as simply a "coincidence".

Its no different that if he said, your handwriting is as bad as "Joe's" and he's black too.

Why draw the distinction to both of them being black unless you are implying that the bad handwriting is a trait of the group.

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Since he didn't allude to race in the slightest (given that "filipino" isn't a race), it would be more like "Your handwriting is just as bad as "Joe's" and he's from Sweden too."

Yeah, pretty much almost exactly like that.

''There is no "wrong end of it". ''

Of course there is a wrong end of it. It may be just a joke or a comment to some, but the bigger picture is that racial prejudice does not stop at jokes and comments. When something affects all aspects of a persons life, there is a good chance that frustration for some will reach a point where they just cant see a joke about it as a joke.



Id say, if prejudiced jokes against your group do not affect you in a negative way emotionally, then you have been luckier that those they do affect. I think, many would remember the point when certain jokes and comments stopped being just jokes and comments to them.



''Why do you think you're unique in that regard? ''

I dont.



What shocks me is how fiercly some are fighting for their 'right' to make racial jokes. Why do you need to make these comments and jokes?



''Since he didn't allude to race in the slightest ''

Nit picking!



''Thank you President Obama, for restoring American values ''

Well, I thank him for putting morals back into politics. I dont think this is necessarily an American thing, but whatever it is, thank goodness for him.

Mell said:

''There is no "wrong end of it". ''

Of course there is a wrong end of it. It may be just a joke or a comment to some, but the bigger picture is that racial prejudice does not stop at jokes and comments. When something affects all aspects of a persons life, there is a good chance that frustration for some will reach a point where they just cant see a joke about it as a joke.

Id say, if prejudiced jokes against your group do not affect you in a negative way emotionally, then you have been luckier that those they do affect. I think, many would remember the point when certain jokes and comments stopped being just jokes and comments to them.

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I choose not to be offended by dumbasses. Not my fault other people allow themselves to be negatively influenced by dumbasses. Plus, I also have a sense of humor and the ability to laugh at myself and "my people".

Besides, what was described in the OP wasn't a prejudiced thing. Or a racial thing. Nothing of the sort.

unique in that regard? ''

I dont.

What shocks me is how fiercly some are fighting for their 'right' to make racial jokes. Why do you need to make these comments and jokes?

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Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.

Aside from that, the OP didn't make a racial joke.

Why are you fighting so hard to make something out of nothing? Why do you CHOOSE to see racial issues where there are none? I will never understand the need for some people to just make **** up and then get upset about what they just made up.

''Since he didn't allude to race in the slightest ''

Nit picking!

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No, fact speaking. There's absolutely no other logical way to see it.

rivrrat said:

I choose not to be offended by dumbasses. Not my fault other people allow themselves to be negatively influenced by dumbasses. Plus, I also have a sense of humor and the ability to laugh at myself and "my people".

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Perfect example to what I was alluding to above. In the eyes of the offender (and supporters) its NEVER the actions of the offender that are wrong, its always that the other person is too "Sensitive" or doesn't have a "Sense of humor"....:doh

disneydude said:

Perfect example to what I was alluding to above. In the eyes of the offender (and supporters) its NEVER the actions of the offender that are wrong, its always that the other person is too "Sensitive" or doesn't have a "Sense of humor"....:doh

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I didn't state anyone was "wrong" or "not wrong". I merely stated that people choose to be offended and people do not have the right NOT to be offended. If someone does get offended, well too bad, so sad. They can get over it. People say ****ty things, let's not act like the sky is falling, chicken little.

I passed no judgement whatsoever - in general. However, with regard to the OP, there was nothing racial there, nothing prejudiced, nothing 'wrong' in the slightest with what he said. If someone chose to take offense at something THAT ****ing innocent, then yeah... that person has some serious ****ing issues.

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I didn't state anyone was "wrong" or "not wrong". I merely stated that people choose to be offended and people do not have the right NOT to be offended. If someone does get offended, well too bad, so sad. They can get over it. People say ****ty things, let's not act like the sky is falling, chicken little.

I passed no judgement whatsoever - in general. However, with regard to the OP, there was nothing racial there, nothing prejudiced, nothing 'wrong' in the slightest with what he said. If someone chose to take offense at something THAT ****ing innocent, then yeah... that person has some serious ****ing issues.

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I agree that Freedom of Speech is important and that people do not have a right NOT to be offended.

That said, it doesn't mean that people will still say racist and borderline racist things.

If you look carefully, I agreed that this statement is not "racist" per se, but I do believe that it does send off a lot of signals that the dweeb making the statement more than likely harbors racist views.

disneydude said:

and your response is typical of the offender. Its never that they are being racist or insenstive, its ALWAYS that the other person is overly sensitive.

Reminds me of a guy that I work with that loves to tell jokes about Jews being cheap. Whenever someone calls him on it, his response is always "You guys have no sense of humor...quit being so damned sensitive"....right....its always the other guys fault because the offenders see nothing wrong with their statements.

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You've failed to show me how the person pointing out a coincidence between two KNOWN chicken scratchers = racism.

disneydude said:

Because you guys are simply disregarding the obvious intention of the mention of the country and writing it off as simply a "coincidence".

Its no different that if he said, your handwriting is as bad as "Joe's" and he's black too.

Why draw the distinction to both of them being black unless you are implying that the bad handwriting is a trait of the group.

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Explain how you know this intention.

Oh wait, you don't know, your just trying to stir up **** so you can feel liberal.

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Perfect example to what I was alluding to above. In the eyes of the offender (and supporters) its NEVER the actions of the offender that are wrong, its always that the other person is too "Sensitive" or doesn't have a "Sense of humor"....:doh

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The problem is just that.

Nobody really addressed my mention of this same **** towards whites.

You think I like being lumped into a category of alcoholics (who I disdain, especially the "proud" ones) just because I am Irish?

I neither like nor dislike such a characterization because I know it is not me, even though I am irish.

The day that everyone stops finding **** to get offended about, and just ignores the racial bull**** that keeps getting fed to us, the sooner we will stop seeing the liberal media report on it since it is no longer sensational and then sooner we will all live on happy lives without some "word" or "characterization" (as long as its towards non whites) "offending" us.


Until then, I will continue to be the person I am, and laugh at all these pathetic pieces of **** who require copious amounts of vagisil.

disneydude said:

I agree that Freedom of Speech is important and that people do not have a right NOT to be offended.

That said, it doesn't mean that people will still say racist and borderline racist things.

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Of course people will say and do racist, sexist things and whatever other '-ist' you want to add. But the situation in the OP is not one of those times. AND, some people are far too quick to judge an action to be racist, some people are terribly, TERRIBLY overly sensitive.

I'll give you an example from yesterday. I was walking to my car from work. I park a mile away and use that 2 mile (roundtrip) walk for exercise. I walk VERY briskly. There was a group of people in front of me on the sidewalk walking extremely slowly and the way they were scattered on the sidewalk, it would have been impossible for me to pass them without being rude and kind of pushing my way through. I decided that since the road was clear, I would cross the street and keep on my brisk walk without slowing down. (I have to cross said street eventually anyway) As I do so and continue onward I hear one of them remark, "It seems white girl don't wanna walk with us colored folk."

So, not only were they incredibly over sensitive and read waaaay too much into my actions, their comment in and of itself was racist. Did I get all pissy about it? No. Were my feelings hurt? **** no. I just recognized them as some racist, overly sensitive ****tards and carried on my merry way. Didn't even think about it again until just now.

If you look carefully, I agreed that this statement is not "racist" per se, but I do believe that it does send off a lot of signals that the dweeb making the statement more than likely harbors racist views.

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I disagree. The comment had nothing to do with race and had everything to do with a common location. When I ask my Irish coworker if everyone in Ireland does 'xyz' because he does, it's not because I'm "racist" against Irish. It's because I'm making a ****ing joke.

Granted, if I knew he was the type of person who was overly sensitive, I wouldn't make said joke because it just wouldn't be fun. But as it is, he's NOT, so it's fun and we all get to laugh together and it makes the work environment more enjoyable since we can all joke with one another and no one is going to get all pissy and whiny about it.

Caine said:

You've failed to show me how the person pointing out a coincidence between two KNOWN chicken scratchers = racism.

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Exactly what I said, the people bending over trying to justify the stupid statement are those who are willing to write off the comparison as a "mere coincidence".

There was no reason to draw the distinction between two filipinos with bad hand writing both being filipinos. The fact that the dweeb felt the need to say it, while not overtly "racist" certainly indicates that he harbors some racist views.

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If you look carefully, I agreed that this statement is not "racist" per se, but I do believe that it does send off a lot of signals that the dweeb making the statement more than likely harbors racist views.

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Negative, no indication that he harbors racist views.

There is an indication that he can quickly point out a coincidence in two KNOWN individuals who have chicken scratch handwriting.

No difference in my mind than if the Fillipino he was speaking about/to had been a doctor, and the other he compared him to was a doctor and he said, "At look, your both Doctors!"

Then would we hear about how he harbors negative views towards doctors? He hates doctors? Evil Evil Doctor hater!!

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Of course people will say and do racist, sexist things and whatever other '-ist' you want to add. But the situation in the OP is not one of those times. AND, some people are far too quick to judge an action to be racist, some people are terribly, TERRIBLY overly sensitive.

I'll give you an example from yesterday. I was walking to my car from work. I park a mile away and use that 2 mile (roundtrip) walk for exercise. I walk VERY briskly. There was a group of people in front of me on the sidewalk walking extremely slowly and the way they were scattered on the sidewalk, it would have been impossible for me to pass them without being rude and kind of pushing my way through. I decided that since the road was clear, I would cross the street and keep on my brisk walk without slowing down. (I have to cross said street eventually anyway) As I do so and continue onward I hear one of them remark, "It seems white girl don't wanna walk with us colored folk."

So, not only were they incredibly over sensitive and read waaaay too much into my actions, their comment in and of itself was racist. Did I get all pissy about it? No. Were my feelings hurt? **** no. I just recognized them as some racist, overly sensitive ****tards and carried on my merry way. Didn't even think about it again until just now.

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I don't disagree with you all in your statement and example here.

and in the OP I also agree that the person's reaction was over the top in comparison to the statement that was made.

That said....I don't see how anyone can look at the statement and say that it didn't have borderline racist undertones, without bending over and back looking for ways to justify it as just a mere "coincidence". I don't think most things are said and just happen to be a "coincidence".

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Negative, no indication that he harbors racist views.

There is an indication that he can quickly point out a coincidence in two KNOWN individuals who have chicken scratch handwriting.

No difference in my mind than if the Fillipino he was speaking about/to had been a doctor, and the other he compared him to was a doctor and he said, "At look, your both Doctors!"

Then would we hear about how he harbors negative views towards doctors? He hates doctors? Evil Evil Doctor hater!!

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No...he would just be perpetuating a stereotype that all doctors have bad handwriting.

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No...he would just be perpetuating a stereotype that all doctors have bad handwriting.

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Yes.

And is this stereotype so offensive as to be worthy of getting upset about and angry and over-sensitive?

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Yes.

And is this stereotype so offensive as to be worthy of getting upset about and angry and over-sensitive?

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Oh...I agree. If you look at the entire thread, I agree that the reaction was extreme in relation to the comment that was made.
Nevertheless, it was a stupid comment and the guy was a dweeb to make such a dumb comment.

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Exactly what I said, the people bending over trying to justify the stupid statement are those who are willing to write off the comparison as a "mere coincidence".

There was no reason to draw the distinction between two filipinos with bad hand writing both being filipinos. The fact that the dweeb felt the need to say it, while not overtly "racist" certainly indicates that he harbors some racist views.

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I've yet to see an explanation from your side of this debate as to WHY this indicates racist views.

What led you to believe that he may hold racist views due to this quick witted comparison to the only other known co-worker who has ****ty hand writing?

What, in your mind, from this story, tells you that the joke-making employee believes himself to be racially superior to others due to a comparison between two co-workers who have ****ty hand writing and also just happen to be from the same country, with no mention of "all" people from the Phillipeans, just two guys that he knows and works with.

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I've yet to see an explanation from your side of this debate as to WHY this indicates racist views.

What led you to believe that he may hold racist views due to this quick witted comparison to the only other known co-worker who has ****ty hand writing?

What, in your mind, from this story, tells you that the joke-making employee believes himself to be racially superior to others due to a comparison between two co-workers who have ****ty hand writing and also just happen to be from the same country, with no mention of "all" people from the Phillipeans, just two guys that he knows and works with.

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Perhaps it is obvious from the words that he chose. Rather than just say, "God your handwriting is as bad as Joes"...he deliberately chose to say, "God your handwriting is as bad as Joe and he's filipino too".
Mere coincidence that he decided to throw that in? I highly doubt it.
Purposefully racist? I doubt that as well.
Indicative that the guy is more than likely a dweeb that harbors racist views?
Certainly.