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Your Favorite President?

TurtleDude said:
If you like runaway government, exploding deficits, massive bureaucracy you ought to love FDR
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Considering how many threads we've clashed in recently you'd think that you would know by now that I absolutely love those things. :roll:

Can't say I'm surprised though.
 
Pal said:
Considering how many threads we've clashed in recently you'd think that you would know by now that I absolutely love those things. :roll:

Can't say I'm surprised though.
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yeah I know-you are a hater of private property and think there is no such thing as too much government

But at least you are honest. There are people out there who deny FDR set the stage for the massive bureaucracy we have by destroying the tenth amendment
 
hazlnut said:
...as the most destructive conservative activist judges of all time.:golf
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Really? remind me how his justices voted on Heller and the eminent domaine cases
 
hazlnut said:
oh. both of those time, eh?

Well, gee... that cancels out the rest of his partisan-based decisions.
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feel free to discuss those

anyone who claimed that the second amendment didn't recognize an individual right was a hack. Did you read the crap Stevens spewed or Breyer

two of the most idiotic dissents I have ever read
 
TurtleDude said:
two of the most idiotic dissents I have ever read
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oh how easy it is to call them idiotic.

To present proof that your opinion is any more relevant than a lunatic ranting in the park... that's the rub, turtle.
 
hazlnut said:
oh how easy it is to call them idiotic.

To present proof that your opinion is any more relevant than a lunatic ranting in the park... that's the rub, turtle.
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well many legal scholars took issue with Breyer. His dissent was based on an outcome based analysis that fundamental constitutional rights can change based on the environment in which they are asserted.

Stevens was even more vapid. Most of the collectivist opinions at the lower courts come from an outcome based erroneous interpretation of the 140 or so year old Cruikshank opinion that said that the constitution did not create a right to keep and bear arms and if the constitution ceased to exist the right wouldn't change. This is true, the Bill of rights merely RECOGNIZES pre-existing rights. Yet racist and xenophobic lower court judges used that decision to hold that there was NO individual right created by the second and thus an individual right does not exist. Senile Stevens chided the majority for overruling rotten precedent based on erroneous interpretations of a supreme court case. That was pathetic

Does it bother you that every major league constitutional scholar, from Libs like Levinson and Amar to moderates to people like Volokh all have concluded that the right is individual?
 
My college history teacher would kill me if I didn't say
George Washington.
 
I think enough people have responded; I'll make the cutoff here, count the votes for each president, and post another thread with a poll containing the top ten picks.

Please note that I asked for your favorite president. If you provided more than one response, I simply used the first president you mentioned as your vote.

Semifinal Tally:

Lincoln: 6
Clinton: 6
Eisenhower: 4
Jefferson: 3
Madison: 2
Obama: 2
FDR: 2
Cleveland: 2
Teddy: 2
Nixon: 1
Reagan: 1
Martin Van Buren: 1
Washington: 1
 
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Black_Zawisza said:
I think enough people have responded; I'll make the cutoff here, count the votes for each president, and post another thread with a poll containing the top ten picks.

Please note that I asked for your favorite president. If you provided more than one response, I simply used the first president you mentioned as your vote.

Semifinal Tally:

Lincoln: 6
Clinton: 6
Eisenhower: 4
Jefferson: 3
Madison: 2
Obama: 2
FDR: 2
Cleveland: 2
Teddy: 2
Nixon: 1
Reagan: 1
Martin Van Buren: 1
Washington: 1
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Wow, Nixon, the cussing Quaker got a vote! Amazing!:(
 
TurtleDude said:
well many legal scholars took issue with Breyer. His dissent was based on an outcome based analysis that fundamental constitutional rights can change based on the environment in which they are asserted.

Stevens was even more vapid. Most of the collectivist opinions at the lower courts come from an outcome based erroneous interpretation of the 140 or so year old Cruikshank opinion that said that the constitution did not create a right to keep and bear arms and if the constitution ceased to exist the right wouldn't change. This is true, the Bill of rights merely RECOGNIZES pre-existing rights. Yet racist and xenophobic lower court judges used that decision to hold that there was NO individual right created by the second and thus an individual right does not exist. Senile Stevens chided the majority for overruling rotten precedent based on erroneous interpretations of a supreme court case. That was pathetic

Does it bother you that every major league constitutional scholar, from Libs like Levinson and Amar to moderates to people like Volokh all have concluded that the right is individual?
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Why do you try to lay the rap that liberals hate guns? I am very liberal and I love guns.
 
phattonez said:
List of commonly voted favorite presidents:
George Washington (just because he was the first)
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy (because he was young, good-looking, and assassinated)

List of baby-eating, fascist presidents:
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
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Kennedy was young, good-looking, and had his life cut short - however, much like Reagan, he inspired the nation at the time to fall back in love with America.

Please note, I'm not a Republican (nor have I been since my early 20s) - but my top 2 are Republicans.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Why do you try to lay the rap that liberals hate guns? I am very liberal and I love guns.
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and some conservatives hate prayer in school, support the right to burn flags and have no problem with gay marriage and abortion (ie me) However every federal gun restriction passed in american history by congress was dem sponsored and dem supported.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Kennedy was young, good-looking, and had his life cut short - however, much like Reagan, he inspired the nation at the time to fall back in love with America.

Please note, I'm not a Republican (nor have I been since my early 20s) - but my top 2 are Republicans.
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interesting de-evolution. as one gets wiser normally one gets more "conservative":mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
interesting de-evolution. as one gets wiser normally one gets more "conservative":mrgreen:
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Then why do conservatives always bad mouth intellectuals? For instance, I heard Mitch McConnell flaming Kagan for being an ivory tower intellectual.
 
TurtleDude said:
interesting de-evolution. as one gets wiser normally one gets more "conservative":mrgreen:
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Only if one stops giving a s**t about other people.

I once worked for Dan Quayle as did a friend of mine. Now, neither of us would vote for a current Republican if I was paid to.

Mostly thanks to Bush.

Edited: PLEASE note the word "current".
 
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TurtleDude said:
and some conservatives hate prayer in school, support the right to burn flags and have no problem with gay marriage and abortion (ie me) However every federal gun restriction passed in american history by congress was dem sponsored and dem supported.
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There you go again. Democrat does not equal liberal. There a moderate liberals and conservatives in both major parties. Extremists don't tend to do well, it's the nature of our system whch forces each party to appeal to the middle.

We have a place for extremists in this country, it's called the media. Name one liberal congressman or senator who is as far to the left as Keith Olberman, or a conservative one as far to the right as Mike Savage.

If you're going to bash a particular group of people with every post, at least call them what they are.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Then why do conservatives always bad mouth intellectuals? For instance, I heard Mitch McConnell flaming Kagan for being an ivory tower intellectual.
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Because there are many intellectuals so disconnected from reality that they usually go for these schemes where they get to plan and decide. These intellectuals usually don't like hearing that spontaneous order can decide, because that would exclude any chance for them to be an elite.
 
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