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Your Favorite President?

Tucker Case said:
Having to go to war, and getting his ass handed to him, clearly changed his mind on some things.
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Yes it did, and the protectionism and central bank ideas are just things that I vehemently opposed. Madison before the war is definitely our best president, but after? Not so much.
 
 
Groucho said:
Oh good grief. :roll:

You have to look at each for their respective time periods and what they accomplished.

By the way, do you think the Jefferson who wrote about limited government before the Constitution would agree with the Jefferson who expanded government by buying the Louisiana Purchase and otherwise making decisions to expand the federal government? ;)
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Absolutely. Both Jefferson and Polk believed in expanding America's borders. They understood that the European powers surrounding them would always be a threat to their sovereignty. The only way to protect ourselves was to control the continent. I still don't understand why Canada is its own nation. The vast majority of their population live no more than 100 miles from our northern border. Now, Canada is not a threat and no other nation cooperates with us so peacefully and magnanimously. But, 250 years ago, I would have been an advocate for forcing the sale of Canada for our own security. We lucked out. Canadians are great people.

I've read the Constitution over and over again. I'm now delving into its entire history of Judicial Review. The Government is allowed to expand its borders. This didn't infringe upon anyone's Constitutional Rights.
 
Hatuey said:
Probably Clinton. Clinton was likable and that is what irked so many of his critics. He was likable to the point where more than 10 years after he was President he can still go to North Korea and rescue people. You have people STILL making jokes about Monica. NOT Bill. Monica. Any other president would have faded into total or near obscurity today or become a joke to most people. Clinton is still the guy people call to party.
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Clinton was America's President. It was weird. We went decades without a Man of the People and then we got Reagan and Clinton, both men of the people, both inspiring leaders. Clinton was inspiring because he managed to unite an utterly divided nation. After the Liberal Congress destroyed itself by pursuing Health Care reform, Clinton sat back and decided that all America really wanted was a healthy economy. He helped Gingrich reform Welfare and Balance the Budget. There were some lapses in regulation, but that happens. I don't think we can really blame that on any one leader or political party. Hindsight is 20/20 and all.

The people Clinton didn't inspire were social conservatives, who became so angry all the time that no one really wanted to talk with them. It's why guys like David Brooks still have jobs.
 
TR and The Gipper.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Reading about History is good for you.

James Madison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Amazon.com: James Madison: Father of the constitution, 1787-1800: Irving Brant: Books


Amazon.com: James Madison: Father of the Constitution (Revolutionary War Leaders) (9780791061305): Brent P. Kelley, Arthur Meier Schlesinger: Books


Reading is good it does make you learn about other people.
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Well, hold on. Just because he was a good person doesn't mean he was a good President.

I made my choice based on what they actually did as President, not what they did before or after they were President.
 
Groucho said:
Well, hold on. Just because he was a good person doesn't mean he was a good President.

I made my choice based on what they actually did as President, not what they did before or after they were President.
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Well, the question was who your favorite president was, not the best president, but even still, Madison was a good president especially considering the circumstances he was dealing with.
 
William Jefferson Clinton!

By Far the best we've ever had!

He's the best prez we ever had for gun grabbers, non-inhaling pot heads, draft dodgers, flag burners, woman groppers, purjurers, womanizers, gays that want to be in the military, chinese trade secret swappers, christian killers, baby killers, tree huggers, dolphin lovers,...

The list just goes on and on!
 
Mellie said:
Why are you assuming I don't know anything about him? I simply asked you why he was your favorite. Can you not explain in your own words why that is?
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Isn't it obvious why I did not respond in my own words? Would you like me to pm you a link to let you know what I am talking about?
 
Chuz Life said:
William Jefferson Clinton!

By Far the best we've ever had!

He's the best prez we ever had for gun grabbers, non-inhaling pot heads, draft dodgers, flag burners, woman groppers, purjurers, womanizers, gays that want to be in the military, chinese trade secret swappers, christian killers, baby killers, tree huggers, dolphin lovers,...

The list just goes on and on!
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I love me some baby killing presidents!
 
George Washington was the man who could have been king. Twice. The first time, he refused out right. The second time, he reluctantly accepted, though he went out of his way to instill a feeling that a president was merely a man, and not superior to the citizenry. Without Washington, I fully believe that this country would today be a monarchy. He set a standard of conduct that still hasn't fully eroded, after more than two centuries. He was simply the right man, at the right time.

I'd give Grover Cleveland the second spot. He's the only president who, while in office, actually increased the rights and liberties of the people.

Honorable mention goes to William Henry Harrison, who at least didn't take away any of our liberties.
 
phattonez said:
Grover Cleveland.
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Grover Cleveland? Never heard of him! It's not like there were presidents in between Lincoln and Teddy or anything...:roll:

Right on, phattonez. I think he was easily the most virtuous president ever and had the most respect for constitutional limitation of the federal gov't.

No wonder he's on Ron Paul's office wall. :mrgreen:
 
List of commonly voted favorite presidents:
George Washington (just because he was the first)
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy (because he was young, good-looking, and assassinated)

List of baby-eating, fascist presidents:
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
 
phattonez said:
List of commonly voted favorite presidents:
George Washington (just because he was the first)
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy (because he was young, good-looking, and assassinated)

List of baby-eating, fascist presidents:
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
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:rofl:rofl
 
phattonez said:
List of commonly voted favorite presidents:
George Washington (just because he was the first)
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy (because he was young, good-looking, and assassinated)

List of baby-eating, fascist presidents:
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
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Teddy ROOSEVELT ate babies, too? I thought it was only the more recently deceased Teddy.

You learn something new every day.
 
Jefferson
Madison
washington
Eisenhower
Truman
Reagan


worst

FDR
LBJ
Carter
Hoover
Wilson
Harding


special credit for top singular achievements

Nixon-recognized Red China which started the end of the iron curtain
LBJ-signed the Civil RIghts Act though most of his reign was a disaster
Jerry Ford-handled a dark time in America with class and as one poster noted, sacrificed a full term for the good of the USA
Bush II-appointed a man who might well go down in history as one of the top modern USSC CJs
 
Burning Giraffe said:
It is hard to think of just one Favorite President. There are many.

Thomas Jefferson, James Polk, Calvin Coolidge, Ronald Reagan.
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Polk? :?
As in "Manifest Destiny"?
 
TurtleDude said:
Jerry Ford-handled a dark time in America with class and as one poster noted, sacrificed a full term for the good of the USA
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Careful. You just agreed with me again. Next thing you know you are going to be a commie lovin' liberal.
 
The president I have the least problems with is Eisenhower.
 
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FDR, hands down. Others I've always liked would be Clinton, Wilson, Washington, Nixon, and LBJ in no particular order.

I always laugh when people try to claim that Washington held political beliefs at all akin to their own, on either side. Washington didn't have strong political convictions either way, first and foremost he was a military genius, and secondly he was simply wanted America to survive and prosper, he didn't know what was the best way to go about it. He was a symbol, although quoting the Dark Knight in this context is silly, he was the President America needed. When modern political ideologues "claim" him as their own it's really nothing more than posturing.
 
Pal said:
FDR, hands down. Others I've always liked would be Clinton, Wilson, Washington, Nixon, and LBJ in no particular order.

I always laugh when people try to claim that Washington held political beliefs at all akin to their own, on either side. Washington didn't have strong political convictions either way, first and foremost he was a military genius, and secondly he was simply wanted America to survive and prosper, he didn't know what was the best way to go about it. He was a symbol, although quoting the Dark Knight in this context is silly, he was the President America needed. When modern political ideologues "claim" him as their own it's really nothing more than posturing.
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If you like runaway government, exploding deficits, massive bureaucracy you ought to love FDR
 
Redress said:
Careful. You just agreed with me again. Next thing you know you are going to be a commie lovin' liberal.
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One of my best friends at one time of my life was radical lawyer Ron Kuby
 
Abraham Lincoln saved the country and the National character.

JFK/Johnson again rescued the national character from the brink...
 
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