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Overall, was feminism bad for America?

Overall, was feminism bad for America?


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I s'pose with a life expectancy around 40'ish inclines one to get out there and make **** happen.

I suspect they packed more adventure into their short lives than we'll ever experience, even if we manage to extend the average life expectancy to 150.
 
I suspect they packed more adventure into their short lives than we'll ever experience, even if we manage to extend the average life expectancy to 150.

I suspect you're right. ;)
 
I do think that marriages were more solid. I also think there was more abuse. Due to women's liberation we have less abuse.

I don't know if marriages were more solid, but they did last much longer, usually because the woman was dependent on the man for her survival, as a general rule. More abuse? Maybe, but I doubt it was significantly more. Lots of abused women stay in their abusive relationships for whatever reason that I don't understand.

We also have more divorces, the majority of which have nothing to do with abuse. It seems general unhappiness may lead to infidelity and divorce. It used to be tolerated and addressed and the family stayed together.

Very true in my experience and observation. Many women seem to enter marriage with a very unrealistic expectations- perhaps they've read too many fairytales, or maybe it's that they are looking for something which does not exist.

The destruction of families is damaging to our society. And let's be honest that women equally play the role of unstable alcoholics, abusive bastards, unfit to work and laze-about-leeches.

Yes, it is damaging, no doubt. And yes, women equally play the role of abusers and dysfunctional partners.
 
Dr. Laura

Dr. Laura honored with leadership award
Radio talk-show host offers blunt advice to college interns


Posted: June 11, 2001
1:00 am Eastern
By Joseph A. D'Agostino
© 2010 Human Events



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"I don't balance my life," she said. "I don't believe in balance. I make choices. When you say, 'I can be a parent and a this and a this,' no you can't. And usually, it's your kids that pay the price, or your spouse."

Declaring herself a "recovered feminist," she said that she believed "religion is crucial to avoiding divorce. People today talk about my right, my right, my rights. You can avoid divorce when two people are putting their own rights secondary. ... I get lots of letters from young men who are afraid because they fear that if they get married, a few years later their wife will want to 'find herself.' That usually means in the arms of another guy. And then she can move to California with the kids and a judge will say, 'He can e-mail them twice a day. That's enough fathering.'"

Schlessinger described the feminist movement as "white rich girls in East Coast schools complaining to their female professors."

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I get lots of letters from young men who are afraid because they fear that if they get married, a few years later their wife will want to 'find herself.' That usually means in the arms of another guy

..wow if that doesn't describe my marriage :doh "I want to establish me"....yeah well that's all fine and good until we had children.
 
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I suspect they packed more adventure into their short lives than we'll ever experience, even if we manage to extend the average life expectancy to 150.

Not adventure, just STDs.
 
..wow if that doesn't describe my marriage :doh "I want to establish me"....yeah well that's all fine and good until we had children.

That's what happened to my son also. Happily married (he thought), two children, she suddenly decides that she needs to find herself, so she has an affair (I guess someone else found her:)), then she's gone with the wind.

It was extremely heart-breaking for him, who is a really decent, intelligent, hard-working and devoted man, and it was difficult for me to watch my child have his heart broken.
 
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I have never been married so I can't relate to the ups and downs a married couple experiences - I have been told they occur. A marriage over say 40 years is a lot of time. Hopefully, you and your spouse can figure out the right roles and live happily. I think it is illuminating to hear of your unhappiness which transformed when you "let go". In the modern day, how often might that have ended in divorce?

I do think that marriages were more solid. I also think there was more abuse. Due to women's liberation we have less abuse. We also have more divorces, the majority of which have nothing to do with abuse. It seems general unhappiness may lead to infidelity and divorce. It used to be tolerated and addressed and the family stayed together.

The destruction of families is damaging to our society. And let's be honest that women equally play the role of unstable alcoholics, abusive bastards, unfit to work and laze-about-leeches.

Forgive me, I'm tipsy:

We're squared away, now, so don't worry. All those issues are far in the past and he and I have both dealt with our individual problems. . . we're candy.

but, you know - there are accepted differences between men and women and the roles that are followed through in a family/marriage/relationship. . . like nursing a baby. :shrug: no matter how much a woman would want a man to do that, a man just isn't going to be able to do that. there just are some undeniable differences leading the different genders to play separate roles.

I let go when I realized that someone just *had* to wash the dishes and do the laundry. It couldn't be the kids - they had school and their own lives to live. Couldn't be my husband, his job was ultimately demanding and that has only increased with each promotion - he was working 40 hours on average and now he works 60+ and often goes away for days at a time.

I had to do it and just get over my bitterness. Did that take away my feminism? Nope - not at all. I thought it would but it didn't. I do all the things that are necessary to keep the house and family going when he can't be here and I do things that he just doesn't have the time to do. . . which is practically everything. His end of the bargain is to stay in shape and work and bring home the bacon - which he does very well.

So, feminism in my life has been a boot in the butt - my energy and reason to do things that I don't *want* to do. I tell myself all the time "I can do this, I'm a woman - this is no big deal." - I've done all sorts of things that I use to find appalling, repulsive and scary. I've been under my house endlessly - in the attic - in the woods in the dark. There's nothing I don't know how to do or am not willing to learn and take on.

Right now I'm in month 4 of remodeling our master bath. It *needed* to be done - the old floor was water damaged and rotting out - and no one else but me had the time to do it. We couldn't afford to hire someone to do it. My husband physically can't do it (injured during his previous deployment) so I'm the only one whose around to step up to the plate and take care of business.

I'm a bit slow, I'm nervous and unsure of the quality of my work but I'm doing pretty well and learning more and more with each DIY project I take on (this is my 2nd bathroom) - I could either sit and grouse and bitch like a pansy or man up and deal with it and get it done.

That, to me, is a "woman" - can do everything and anything that needs to be done. I cook, clean, sew and stick my hands in septic tanks.
 
Re: Dr. Laura

From the article:


..wow if that doesn't describe my marriage :doh "I want to establish me"....yeah well that's all fine and good until we had children.

For every wife like yours, there's a husband like mine. Has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with a lack of character and integrity.
 
but, you know - there are accepted differences between men and women and the roles that are followed through in a family/marriage/relationship. . . like nursing a baby. no matter how much a woman would want a man to do that, a man just isn't going to be able to do that. there just are some undeniable differences leading the different genders to play separate roles.

Not true.
Some men can and do nurse their babies.
They induce lactation with breast pumps and hormone pills.
They don't typically produce enough milk to provide an infant's sole source of nourishment, but they produce some.

Male lactation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Dr. Laura

For every wife like yours, there's a husband like mine. Has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with a lack of character and integrity.

You might want to check that before posting it. Women initiate most divorces...
 
Re: Dr. Laura

You might want to check that before posting it. Women initiate most divorces...

Typically because they're married to scumbags who are unfit to be around children.
 
Re: Dr. Laura

Typically because they're married to scumbags who are unfit to be around children.

That was pretty stupid of them. I thought you said the female body was connected to a brain?
 
Re: Dr. Laura

That was pretty stupid of them. I thought you said the female body was connected to a brain?

Do you enjoy getting beaten within an inch of your life by hoards of angry women? Is it some kind of fetish of yours?
 
Re: Dr. Laura

That was pretty stupid of them. I thought you said the female body was connected to a brain?

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

you're gonna get your arse kicked by an army of angry, braless women:lol:
 
Forgive me, I'm tipsy:

We're squared away, now, so don't worry. All those issues are far in the past and he and I have both dealt with our individual problems. . . we're candy.

but, you know - there are accepted differences between men and women and the roles that are followed through in a family/marriage/relationship. . . like nursing a baby. :shrug: no matter how much a woman would want a man to do that, a man just isn't going to be able to do that. there just are some undeniable differences leading the different genders to play separate roles.

I let go when I realized that someone just *had* to wash the dishes and do the laundry. It couldn't be the kids - they had school and their own lives to live. Couldn't be my husband, his job was ultimately demanding and that has only increased with each promotion - he was working 40 hours on average and now he works 60+ and often goes away for days at a time.

I had to do it and just get over my bitterness. Did that take away my feminism? Nope - not at all. I thought it would but it didn't. I do all the things that are necessary to keep the house and family going when he can't be here and I do things that he just doesn't have the time to do. . . which is practically everything. His end of the bargain is to stay in shape and work and bring home the bacon - which he does very well.

So, feminism in my life has been a boot in the butt - my energy and reason to do things that I don't *want* to do. I tell myself all the time "I can do this, I'm a woman - this is no big deal." - I've done all sorts of things that I use to find appalling, repulsive and scary. I've been under my house endlessly - in the attic - in the woods in the dark. There's nothing I don't know how to do or am not willing to learn and take on.

Right now I'm in month 4 of remodeling our master bath. It *needed* to be done - the old floor was water damaged and rotting out - and no one else but me had the time to do it. We couldn't afford to hire someone to do it. My husband physically can't do it (injured during his previous deployment) so I'm the only one whose around to step up to the plate and take care of business.

I'm a bit slow, I'm nervous and unsure of the quality of my work but I'm doing pretty well and learning more and more with each DIY project I take on (this is my 2nd bathroom) - I could either sit and grouse and bitch like a pansy or man up and deal with it and get it done.

That, to me, is a "woman" - can do everything and anything that needs to be done. I cook, clean, sew and stick my hands in septic tanks.

I have no idea how to remodel a bathroom. Does this make me less of a man? Probably. I hope it turns out well! Glad to hear you are "candy". :)
 
I am sure there is a variety of opinions on this. Such a social movement changed a lot about America, some good and some bad. What is your opinion about it overall?
It was good for America, women finally got a voice.
 
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Forgive me, I'm tipsy:

We're squared away, now, so don't worry. All those issues are far in the past and he and I have both dealt with our individual problems. . . we're candy.

but, you know - there are accepted differences between men and women and the roles that are followed through in a family/marriage/relationship. . . like nursing a baby. :shrug: no matter how much a woman would want a man to do that, a man just isn't going to be able to do that. there just are some undeniable differences leading the different genders to play separate roles.

I let go when I realized that someone just *had* to wash the dishes and do the laundry. It couldn't be the kids - they had school and their own lives to live. Couldn't be my husband, his job was ultimately demanding and that has only increased with each promotion - he was working 40 hours on average and now he works 60+ and often goes away for days at a time.

I had to do it and just get over my bitterness. Did that take away my feminism? Nope - not at all. I thought it would but it didn't. I do all the things that are necessary to keep the house and family going when he can't be here and I do things that he just doesn't have the time to do. . . which is practically everything. His end of the bargain is to stay in shape and work and bring home the bacon - which he does very well.

So, feminism in my life has been a boot in the butt - my energy and reason to do things that I don't *want* to do. I tell myself all the time "I can do this, I'm a woman - this is no big deal." - I've done all sorts of things that I use to find appalling, repulsive and scary. I've been under my house endlessly - in the attic - in the woods in the dark. There's nothing I don't know how to do or am not willing to learn and take on.

Right now I'm in month 4 of remodeling our master bath. It *needed* to be done - the old floor was water damaged and rotting out - and no one else but me had the time to do it. We couldn't afford to hire someone to do it. My husband physically can't do it (injured during his previous deployment) so I'm the only one whose around to step up to the plate and take care of business.

I'm a bit slow, I'm nervous and unsure of the quality of my work but I'm doing pretty well and learning more and more with each DIY project I take on (this is my 2nd bathroom) - I could either sit and grouse and bitch like a pansy or man up and deal with it and get it done.

That, to me, is a "woman" - can do everything and anything that needs to be done. I cook, clean, sew and stick my hands in septic tanks.

You stick your hands in septic tanks? I think I love you.:iloveyou:
 
''You know, I couldn't help but think this:

It seems acceptable debate material to actually ask "Overall, was feminism bad for America?" - no one is really pissed that this was proposed and heavily debated.

But what if the kin were asked: "Overall, was the emancipation of slaves bad for America?" - people would not take it too well and a sound debate would not be had.

However, the slaves were emancipated in the late 1800's - given the right to vote much later. So - why doesn't anyone try to connect lines from the emancipation to a lot of problems that have been penned to feminism in some fashion? (like the economical impacts and so forth).''







It is a real pity that significant points such as this one and and a number of others get burried under mounds of rubbish and nonsense comments and abuse.



I made a thread asking something like this a few days ago. Here is the link.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/72399-should-hard-line-taken.html



But, it would be progress if these thread were at lease kept clean of heckling, trolling ....
 
''You know, I couldn't help but think this:

It seems acceptable debate material to actually ask "Overall, was feminism bad for America?" - no one is really pissed that this was proposed and heavily debated.

But what if the kin were asked: "Overall, was the emancipation of slaves bad for America?" - people would not take it too well and a sound debate would not be had.

However, the slaves were emancipated in the late 1800's - given the right to vote much later. So - why doesn't anyone try to connect lines from the emancipation to a lot of problems that have been penned to feminism in some fashion? (like the economical impacts and so forth).''


It is a real pity that significant points such as this one and and a number of others get burried under mounds of rubbish and nonsense comments and abuse.

I addressed this point in my post quoted below. You need to learn how to quote.

IMHO, there is an important difference between the emancipation of blacks and the emancipation of women. That is the impact on families.

Women's liberation is something to be proud of. Extending the vote and enabling the economic prospects have been positive developments in our history.

However, this has dramatically changed families in America. The typical family of today is very different than the typical family of the 1950s. Women work and so you have 2 earner households. There is also an increase in single parent families (mixed: pos - out of bad marriages, neg - missing role models for children). Other changes have occurred as well, which may or may not be due to women's liberation: increased education (positive - for men and women), increased urbanization (mixed), increased drug use (mixed), increased crime (negative), surely others I am missing. I don't know how much can be laid at the feet of women's liberation but surely some of it is related.

I am glad we could discuss it.
 
''I addressed this point in my post quoted below.''

Yes, you gave a personal opinion...
 
Not true.
Some men can and do nurse their babies.
They induce lactation with breast pumps and hormone pills.
They don't typically produce enough milk to provide an infant's sole source of nourishment, but they produce some.

Male lactation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fascinating!

I have no idea how to remodel a bathroom. Does this make me less of a man? Probably. I hope it turns out well! Glad to hear you are "candy". :)

Haha, of course not - most people haven't a clue, neither do I! I'm just fumbling along as I go and hoping no one notices.

You stick your hands in septic tanks? I think I love you.:iloveyou:

*curtsy*
Yep - I had to replace the baffles and septic inlet two weeks ago. I tell you, once you've dealt with a septic tank there's little else in the world that you can classify as 'absolutely disgusting.'
We had a backup, I dug it up, paid the guy to pump it, he diagnosed our problems, and I did the rest of the work instead of paying him over $1,000 to dig and repair (I just can't bring myself to pay someone to do something that I know I can do myself).

It is a real pity that significant points such as this one and and a number of others get burried under mounds of rubbish and nonsense comments and abuse.

I made a thread asking something like this a few days ago. Here is the link.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/72399-should-hard-line-taken.html

Interesting, I'll read and comment.

But, it would be progress if these thread were at lease kept clean of heckling, trolling ....

I second that
 
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