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Overall, was feminism bad for America?

Overall, was feminism bad for America?


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These hormones, more than our genitalia, control our behavior and our internal identities.

It's not the genitalia at all that control behavior. They are secondary characteristics. Iow, it's not my sexual characteristics which make me interested in men or want to have children. It's my estrogen, progesterone, small amount of testosterone, and other endocrine system hormone output.

Speaking of agression and hormone levels, have you ever watched a mother cat defend her young from a tom cat? She is highly agressive and vicious in protecting her young. Is it her testosterone levels, or her female hormones and the effects they have on her behavior? She will readily kill to defend her young, because she instinctively knows he will kill her babies. This is a good behavioral trait imo.
 
We are legally equal to men, and more similar than those who want to reinforce sex differences will ever admit.

I don't give a crap about reinforcing anything.


For goodness sake, I'll never get why today's feminists get so worked up when someone points out that men and women are different. Women, you are better than us. Men are disgusting, nasty, self-obsessed, simple-minded, and that's just the tip of it. Which gender makes up the vast majority of the prison population? Do you really expect me to believe that that is caused by social pressure? How often do you hear about "husband abuse"? Women should be embracing their differences, not pretending they don't exist. I have no incentive to believe in such things if they were not really there.
 
No, humans really do have 99% of genes in common with chimps, just as we have 75% of genes in common with nematode worms (most DNA is junk). However, there is evidence that the difference in DNA between human men and women is equal to or even greater than that of a male human and chimpanzee.

Those words in bold is where you make your mistake. It's not that our genes are 97-99% similar, it's our genomes that are 97-99% similar.

Those differences in genome, however, are actually spread across about 65% of our genes. Meaning we are only about 35% similar to chimps.

Not only that, but we have two fewer chromosomes and very different genomic alignments.
 
*In all seriousness, high levels of testosterone are linked to male pattern baldness and high amounts of body hair.

This explains a lot. Except apparently I'm an anomaly, since I do well in math and science... eh, my body is whacked out anyways. In many ways I'm more feminine than masculine, but in many ways not.
 
For goodness sake, I'll never get why today's feminists get so worked up when someone points out that men and women are different.

Because those "differences" are used to justify all kinds of nasty little slights, and prejudices, and patting us on the head and telling us how sweet and delicate we are, and how we really ought to be home raising children instead of engaging in the rough and tumble world.

You don't know, Dav, because you've likely never had to deal with it.

For goodness sake women. You are better than us. Men are disgusting, nasty, self-obsessed, simple-minded, and that's just the tip of it.

Putting us on a pedestal makes us less human, and is another way that women are objectified. "Oh women, they're so sacred and wonderful and holy and good, so they should stay at home where they won't get dirty."

Which gender makes up the vast majority of the prison population?

Men are, on average, physically stronger. But women are equally aggressive, according to numerous studies.

Do you really expect me to believe that that is caused by social pressure?

At this point, we don't know precisely what causes it. And I say that as a professional in the field.

How often do you hear about "husband abuse"?

studies of domestic violence find that women in abusive relationships are as likely to physically assault their significant others as they are to be assaulted. Women assault men at the same level that men assault women. Why aren't these reported? Because of these kinds of entrenched gender bias that we're talking about.

Because women are delicate little creatures who are just too pure and holy to act like this.

This is why women have an overwhelming advantage in court when it comes to getting custody of the kids. It's unfair to men.

This is why women are treated as victims in domestic violence and men are treated as perpetrators. Again, similarly unfair.

We have a lot of MISTAKEN ideas about what it means to be a woman or a man.

In reality, we're humans. There is as much divergence and fluctuation WITHIN a gender as there is BETWEEN the genders.

Women are not better, kinder, sweeter, more innocent, cleaner, or more nurturing than men.
 
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True. That is normal for me too. When I participate on internet forums, and do not blantantly advertise that I am a woman, I am often mistaken for a man. Very often. It is, no doubt, in my personality.

You probably have a higher than average level of testosterone. And FOR YOU, that is completely normal. There is no one set way of being a woman. Just as there is no set way of being a man. We are all individuals.
 
You probably have a higher than average level of testosterone.

Actually, it's very low, so my doc put me on a DHEA supplement to try and raise it some. Whatever, I don't worry about it. I don't need to be more aggressive than I already am.:mrgreen:
 
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Actually, it's very low, so my doc put me on a DHEA supplement to try and raise it some. Whatever, I don't worry about it. I don't need to be more aggressive than I already am.:mrgreen:

If your ring finger is as long or longer than your index finger, it means you were exposed to more testosterone in utero, which has an impact on developing a more aggressive personality. It doesn't mean that your current levels are higher.
 
Ahhhhh, that explains it.:) My mother never had a problem with being a wilting flower.:mrgreen:. So what does it mean that mine are the same length, that I am overall balanced?;)
 
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Because those "differences" are used to justify all kinds of nasty little slights, and prejudices, and patting us on the head and telling us how sweet and delicate we are, and how we really ought to be home raising children instead of engaging in the rough and tumble world.

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It's pretty much impossible to describe women in any sort of way that some people won't be able to twist as being sexist. You'd feel the same way if it was the other way around, and women were the nasty brutal ones. I'm not using those differences to justify anything. They just exist.

You don't know, Dav, because you've likely never had to deal with it.

What, because I'm not a woman? And yet plenty of women claim the same as I do. My own mother is one of them, and she makes more money than my dad does.

This whole "they're really the same" crap is just used to try to point out any difference in inequality of outcome as sexism.



Putting us on a pedestal makes us less human, and is another way that women are objectified. "Oh women, they're so sacred and wonderful and holy and good, so they should stay at home where they won't get dirty."

So you're saying that people who really do fit the description I mentioned should stay in the kitchen? Even for a moment assuming it doesn't apply to a majority of women, it's sure to apply to some and they are no less human than anyone else. Humans have differences. Pointing out those differences is not making anyone less human. And people should be free to pursue their own future regardless of whether or not they are a living stereotype of the 1950s housewife. In short, a bunch of straw men (or straw women if you prefer; I know modern-day "feminists" get all whiny about stuff like that).

Men are, on average, physically stronger. But women are equally aggressive, according to numerous studies.

Yeah, psychologically aggressive. In other words, they act differently. Not all of them, mind you (there are women in prison), but on the whole yes.

At this point, we don't know precisely what causes it. And I say that as a professional in the field.

I'd take a good look at that Y-chromosome as a possible suspect. Just a hunch.


studies of domestic violence find that women in abusive relationships are as likely to physically assault their significant others as they are to be assaulted. Women assault men at the same level that men assault women. Why aren't these reported? Because of these kinds of entrenched gender bias that we're talking about.

No, not at the same level. If a women physically attacks a man, 90% of the time it will go nowhere and she knows it. Whereas if a man attacks a woman, it's going to do a lot more damage. The situations can't be compared.

There is as much divergence and fluctuation WITHIN a gender as there is BETWEEN the genders.

Depends on what you're talking about. In many ways yes, in many ways no.
 
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Ahhhhh, that explains it.:) My mother never had a problem with being a wilting flower.:mrgreen:. So what does it mean that mine are the same length, that I am overall balanced?;)

It means that you were exposed to higher than average levels of testosterone.
 
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It's pretty much impossible to describe women in any sort of way that some people won't be able to twist as being sexist. You'd feel the same way if it was the other way around, and women were the nasty brutal ones. I'm not using those differences to justify anything. They just exist.

Instead of using my vagina to define me, why don't you just deal with me as an individual? Is it really so hard?

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It's pretty much impossible to describe women in any sort of way that some people won't be able to twist as being sexist. You'd feel the same way if it was the other way around, and women were the nasty brutal ones. I'm not using those differences to justify anything. They just exist.

I'm telling you, as a woman, that they do not exist to the degree that you think they do.

So you're saying that people who really do fit the description I mentioned should stay in the kitchen?

Only if they want to. And if men fit that description, they should have that choice, too.

Yeah, psychologically aggressive. In other words, they act differently. Not all of them, mind you (there are women in prison), but on the whole yes.

No, not at the same level. If a women physically attacks a man, 90% of the time it will go nowhere and she knows it. Whereas if a man attacks a woman, it's going to do a lot more damage. The situations can't be compared.

An assault is an assault.
 
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Instead of using my vagina to define me, why don't you just deal with me as an individual? Is it really so hard?

What makes you think I define women by their vaginas?








I define women by their vaginas and breasts.

This is the 21st century, after all.
 
I have to leave this discussion. I am ***** whipped and I admit it. This thread is making me horny.:surrender:bolt
 
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