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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...

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SgtRock said:
I am not judging muslims as a group or the many who choose to take the quran literally. I am judging Islam as a religion, political Islam, cultural Islam, and societal Islam.
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You're in the position of a life-long vegetarian critiquing a recipe for beef wellington, no one is inclined to take you seriously.
 
Hoplite said:
You're in the position of a life-long vegetarian critiquing a recipe for beef wellington, no one is inclined to take you seriously.
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And you being a laughable little lapdog for violent theists and their imaginary man in the sky that tells them to kill people doesn't leave you in exactly what one would call a very tenable position either.
 
Tashah said:
Yeshu also said this...



Quite clearly, Yeshu is stipulating that his theology is dependent upon and irrevocably intertwined with Torah. Not partially, but in-toto. In short, one cannot discard Jewish theology and remain faithful to the Good Word.
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Jebus contradicts himself with frequent regularity.
 
Blackdog said:
I have no problem with this. Nothing illegal about it even if it is tasteless.

The terrorists who did it were Muslim, but this should not reflect on all Muslims.
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Like it or not, it does.
Has Islam gone after bin Laden?
Has Islam renounced all the hate that indeed is in their so-called holy book?
Does Islam control many, if not all Arab/Persian governments?
The Islamic Republic of ..........?
I do not see where Islam has ever cleaned up their act.
Are there building codes in NYC?
If so, enforce them....good taste and respect are important.
No to the mosque.
 
earthworm said:
Like it or not, it does.
Has Islam gone after bin Laden?
Has Islam renounced all the hate that indeed is in their so-called holy book?
Does Islam control many, if not all Arab/Persian governments?
The Islamic Republic of ..........?
I do not see where Islam has ever cleaned up their act.
Are there building codes in NYC?
If so, enforce them....good taste and respect are important.
No to the mosque.
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To bad it's going to happen. :lol:
 
Tashah said:
Yeshu is Jewish and supposedly a descendant of the House of David. From a Jewish perspective Yeshu is a rabbi (teacher), perhaps from the Essene branch of first century Judaism.
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Yes.

Tashah said:
In Matthew he is proclaiming to be part and parcel (and an extension) of Jewish theology.
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Yes

Tashah said:
It is an exercise in linear logic... derivative y exists because of x.
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And this relates to anything I said how?
 
I wonder if this Mosque will do the traditional “call to prayers” announcement five times a day like they do in the Middle East?

That shtick gets irritating real fast :yes:
 
Tashah said:
Never mind. Just a difference in perspective. It's not worth the hassle.
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Like I said I am not trying, or was not trying to contradict Jewish philosophy on their own religion. Just explaining the Christian perspective on Jesus and the OT.
 
Tashah said:
That shtick gets irritating real fast :yes:
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I think it also represents an issue that many ignore, and that is the degree to which Islam micromanages people's lives and emphasizes conformity.
 
Tashah said:
I wonder if this Mosque will do the traditional “call to prayers” announcement five times a day like they do in the Middle East?

That shtick gets irritating real fast :yes:
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No more irritating than church bells going off every hour during the day.
 
Gardener said:
I think it also represents an issue that many ignore, and that is the degree to which Islam micromanages people's lives and emphasizes conformity.
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Most if not all religions based on Judaism are much the same. It is no worse than Seven Day Adventist, Mormons or Southern Baptists as far as that goes.
 
Blackdog said:
No more irritating than church bells going off every hour during the day.
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That doesn't happen where I live in the US.

Christian churches ring their bells very briefly only on Sunday morning. The Catholic church only on Sunday morning to announce the High Mass.
 
Blackdog said:
Most if not all religions based on Judaism are much the same. It is no worse than Seven Day Adventist, Mormons or Southern Baptists as far as that goes.
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I don't think all Abrahamic religions are the same at all.

Weren't you the one just detailing some of those differences?
 
Tashah said:
That doesn't happen where I live in the US.

Christian churches ring their bells very briefly only on Sunday morning. The Catholic church only on Sunday morning to announce the High Mass.
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That's true. It is more common in the Bible belt. Here in Florida, where I live I don't here them at all.

5 times a day in the heart of NY, probably would get old fast.
 
Gardener said:
I don't think all Abrahamic religions are the same at all.
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I did not say that. I ment in the controlling of life aspect or micromanagement. This is what you said; "the degree to which Islam micromanages people's lives and emphasizes conformity." I was responding directly to that. For example...

Catholics with no birth control.
Baptists with smoking, drinking and gambling etc.
Seven Day Adventists all of the above like Baptists plus hair style, dress, diet etc.
All include no pornography, premarital sex, adultery etc.

Gardener said:
Weren't you the one just detailing some of those differences?
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They are not the same in all respects, and I did not make such an outlandish claim. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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Goshin said:
I'm looking back over this with amazement, at how intense the opposition is to this simple statement: "I don't think building a mosque next door to Ground Zero is in good taste." Nothing said about using the force of law to deny them, just that I don't think its a good idea.
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I am sorry, I am the one who started that. As I explained I just used your post as a jumping off point for my own views which were not really affected by your own. Unfortunately people took it the wrong way.

Goshin said:
Part of what's so amazing about it is that I don't really care all that much, build the darn thing if it's so important to you; I'll never see it anyway.
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I agree it is not the best idea. My point originally was even if it's not (and I agree) it is their right.

That is how the confusion started.

Again sorry about that.
 
In my town in Texas the Catholic church bells ring everyday at noon and twice on sunday. It Reminds me of a verse of a Johnny Cash song sometimes when I here it. Gets me all choked up. :boohoo:

In the park I saw a daddy
With a laughing little girl that he was swinging.
And I stopped beside a Sunday school
And listened to the songs they were singing.
Then I headed down the street,
And somewhere far away a lonely bell was ringing,
And it echoed through the canyon
Like the disappearing dreams of yesterday
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Hoplite said:
You're in the position of a life-long vegetarian critiquing a recipe for beef wellington, no one is inclined to take you seriously.
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Dosn't matter how you take me. I am just stating my opinion after many years of study on the subject of Islam. btw I likes my beef wellington.
 
StgRock get off your highhorse every book has some bad bible veres in them.

For exmaple (Exodus 21:7-11 NLt)
Woman put up for Sex Slavery.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
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Rape in te bible
Judges 21:10-24 NLT

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.
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They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.


Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.[/QUOTE]
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3) Murdering Children



Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
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God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
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More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
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Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
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This is not something we would ever have considered doing until very recent times. We're at war with this religion.
 
Hosea 9:11-16

Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have childre
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Mudering Children
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”
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You can't have firends that aren't Chirstans

Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
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Here are my favorites qoutes as well


Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10

A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33

These too qoutes are hypocrtical at best, so no Christian can do wrong what bs. :doh
 
sazerac said:
This is not something we would ever have considered doing until very recent times. We're at war with this religion.
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How can you be "at war with" a religion?
What is this, the friggin' crusades?
I thought it was 2010, not 1210.
 
sazerac said:
This is not something we would ever have considered doing until very recent times. We're at war with this religion.
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Oh please it not the religion we are at war with for god shake go read a news paper it is the Talbian we are at war with them not the religion. IF it was the religion why we where at war with them... t

Then I would not be someone who would blindly follow the Unident states in too battal, because that is just stupid to go too war for Religion.
 
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