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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...

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Agent Ferris said:
Would you support putting a Christian church which promotes anti-abortion propaganda on the ashes of a blown up abortion clinic?
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I don't have a problem with that. Most christians are not pro-terrorist, nor are most muslims.
 
1069 said:
I'd hate American too, if I were them.
It's full of ignorant bigots who think they own the damn world.
I hate America anyway half the time, and I'm not even Muslim.
The wonder to me is that most of them don't.
They're better, more forgiving, more tolerant people than me.

Same thing about blacks. If I were black, I'd hate whites.
I'm outraged and appalled on their behalf every time I think about the past, about slavery, about Jim Crow, generational poverty, white privilege, systematic racism, the current state of our penal system. Every time I read a thread about how they ought to just buck up and try harder and stop idolizing criminals and being whiners and crybabies and lazy crackheads, and then maybe they'd have it as good as white people.
If I were black, I'd hate whites. I hate them anyway, half the time, on behalf of blacks. It embarrasses me to be white a lot of the time.
Yet almost no blacks hate whites or wish them ill.
They too are better and more tolerant people than me.

But you know what, Goshin?
For all my silliness and flaws, I'm still a better and more tolerant person than you.
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They're so tolerant of women aren't they... and the public stoning? Oh so tolerant. The common argument is: But that's a fringe group not all of Islam. Yet it's in the quran and is being carried out in Islamic country's. You're patronizing bull**** is nauseating as is your self proclaimed tolerance.
 
Goshin said:
I think that, at a minimum, it is kind of tasteless and probably not too bright either.

It's almost like building a shrine to Emperor Hirohito at Pearl Harbor.
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The Muslims are not comparable to Emperor Hirohito, and what will be more shocking is that the Mosque will be built in 3 or 4 yrs but the new WTC will still not be finished after having a 7 yr head start.
 
Ockham said:
They're so tolerant of women aren't they... and the public stoning? Oh so tolerant. The common argument is: But that's a fringe group not all of Islam. Yet it's in the quran and is being carried out in Islamic country's. You're patronizing bull**** is nauseating as is your self proclaimed tolerance.
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The religion of Islam has been overtaken by extremists, but this country has been run by extremists for just as long as Islam has been ruled by extremists.
 
I guess 1069 is not going to defend her hatred of America or explain her white guilt, oh well, easier to run away I guess.
 
SgtRock said:
In fact most northern states abolished slavery after the War of Independence. While much of the rest of the world still practiced slavery.
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Most Northern states still disliked blacks, and had to obey federal law that stated all suspected slaves would need to be arressted and sent back to the South. But really, the people in the North did not care to much for slaves, they didn't like them or want them around.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
The religion of Islam has been overtaken by extremists, but this country has been run by extremists for just as long as Islam has been ruled by extremists.
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The United States is being run by extremist to a lesser extent I suppose. Nancy, Harry, Barney and Barrack are extremist who wish to destroy what the founding fathers invisioned. They call it change I call it socialism.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
The religion of Islam has been overtaken by extremists, but this country has been run by extremists for just as long as Islam has been ruled by extremists.
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The two arent really comparable idont think pat robertson and Osama bin laden are on the same level.In fact alot of people who are refered to as moderate muslims would be called fundamentalist if they where christian.
 
SgtRock said:
The United States is being run by extremist to a lesser extent I suppose. Nancy, Harry, Barney and Barrack are extremist who wish to destroy what the founding fathers invisioned. They call it change I call it socialism.
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pfff. please. Republicans are just as extreme. This nation has been going downhill on individual freedom since Nixon declared war on drugs.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Most Northern states still disliked blacks, and had to obey federal law that stated all suspected slaves would need to be arressted and sent back to the South. But really, the people in the North did not care to much for slaves, they didn't like them or want them around.
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And what of the rest of the world that was involved in the slave trade including countries in Asia, Europe, and Africa. The Abolitionist movement started in America and Britain.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
The religion of Islam has been overtaken by extremists, but this country has been run by extremists for just as long as Islam has been ruled by extremists.
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This country has been governed by quite an extremist lot I'll admit, they were very extreme in their belief in individual liberty, the rights of men, etc. Oh and FYI the first extremist Muslim was Mohamed (as he is described in their own texts because much like Jesus I doubt the actual man ever existed in the first place).
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Most Northern states still disliked blacks, and had to obey federal law that stated all suspected slaves would need to be arressted and sent back to the South. But really, the people in the North did not care to much for slaves, they didn't like them or want them around.
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It's not that.
The North was largely industrial, and didn't need them anymore. They could get European immigrants to do the labor for less than it would cost them to keep slaves.
The South was agricultural, and needed slaves to maintain its economy.
 
mikhail said:
The two arent really comparable idont think pat robertson and Osama bin laden are on the same level.In fact alot of people who are refered to as moderate muslims would be called fundamentalist if they where christian.
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I believe so as well. But the fact is that the Muslim rule doesn't affect us on choosing how we can live. The government of the US encourages fear campaign for the sole purpose of reducing freedoms here, but its ok because people apparently believe Islam is a real threat. It really isn't, because those nations that have rule of the Koran or whatever do not try and push their weight internationally. That is our place the USAs. And because since we have been in Afghanistan there has not been a single successful terrorist attack on us by Al-Queda. Al-Queda is practically not a threat anymore. They have lost all of their power.
 
SgtRock said:
And what of the rest of the world that was involved in the slave trade including countries in Asia, Europe, and Africa. The Abolitionist movement started in America and Britain.
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YES, but the US didn't abolish slavery until after the Civil War.
 
Agent Ferris said:
This country has been governed by quite an extremist lot I'll admit, they were very extreme in their belief in individual liberty, the rights of men, etc. Oh and FYI the first extremist Muslim was Mohamed (as he is described in their own texts because much like Jesus I doubt the actual man ever existed in the first place).
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Oh and FYI that individual freedom was back in the 1700s now not so much.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
pfff. please. Republicans are just as extreme. This nation has been going downhill on individual freedom since Nixon declared war on drugs.
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America has been going down hill since millions of hippies dropped out and turned on to drugs that destroyed thier brains. Now they have tenure at major Universities across America where they can impart there burned out hippie philosophy on the young impressionable minds of Americas youth.
 
1069 said:
It's not that.
The North was largely industrial, and didn't need them anymore. They could get European immigrants to do the labor for less than it would cost them to keep slaves.
The South was agricultural, and needed slaves to maintain its economy.
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No, its true the majority of Northerners did not like blacks because they brought unwanted attention to them by the federal government.
 
SgtRock said:
America has been going down hill since millions of hippies dropped out and turned on to drugs that destroyed thier brains. Now they have tenure at major Universities across America where they can impart there burned out hippie philosophy on the young impressionable minds of Americas youth.
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That would be because most conservatives do not study or attend university.:doh
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
YES, but the US didn't abolish slavery until after the Civil War.
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Yes, did you say yes? Yes America and Britain are responsible for planting the abolitionist seed throughout the world. MAn I love this country and how it has stood for human rights. And today we continue to fight for human rights of the oppressed peoples of evil Islamic countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Don't it make you feel proud to be an American?
 
I honestly think building the mosque there is arrogant and very disrespectful. However, there is nothing illegal with it.
 
1069 said:
I'd hate American too, if I were them.
It's full of ignorant bigots who think they own the damn world.
I hate America anyway half the time, and I'm not even Muslim.
The wonder to me is that most of them don't.
They're better, more forgiving, more tolerant people than me.
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Trust me there are just as many Muslim bigots as their are American bigots. And what is America? Is it a nation or a continent?
Same thing about blacks. If I were black, I'd hate whites.
I'm outraged and appalled on their behalf every time I think about the past, about slavery, about Jim Crow, generational poverty, white privilege, systematic racism, the current state of our penal system. Every time I read a thread about how they ought to just buck up and try harder and stop idolizing criminals and being whiners and crybabies and lazy crackheads, and then maybe they'd have it as good as white people.
If I were black, I'd hate whites. I hate them anyway, half the time, on behalf of blacks. It embarrasses me to be white a lot of the time.
Yet almost no blacks hate whites or wish them ill.
They too are better and more tolerant people than me.

But you know what, Goshin?
For all my silliness and flaws, I'm still a better and more tolerant person than you.
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I hate blacks and you know why? Because I didn't oppress them and the ones who are younger than 40 have not been oppressed. And they are walking around like they deserve reparation. For what? Poverty will continue because it is a thing of life. Even the ones who are poor can manage to get out of poverty by talking right, smiling, working right, it is possible. But too many black people make the excuse that they are being discriminated by against and they forget that everyone gets discriminated against.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
YES, but the US didn't abolish slavery until after the Civil War.
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Independent States within the Union abolished slavery long before the civil war. Slavery in the U.S. was a more short lived event than in any other country on the planet even if you count from the time of the ratification of the Constitution to the Emancipation Proclamation.
 
SgtRock said:
Yes, did you say yes? Yes America and Britain are responsible for planting the abolitionist seed throughout the world. MAn I love this country and how it has stood for human rights. And today we continue to fight for human rights of the oppressed peoples of evil Islamic countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Don't it make you feel proud to be an American?
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I like this country trust me I have been to over 20 nations and there is none like this one. But honestly, we didn't abolish slavery till after the Civil War. And honestly, individual rights have been going down the drain for a long time now. And honestly, who cares what happens in a foreign nation unless it directly affects us which is why we are in AFghanistan?
 
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