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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...

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1069 said:
How can you be "at war with" a religion?
What is this, the friggin' crusades?
I thought it was 2010, not 1210.
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Excatly, I too wonder why we would be at war with the religion.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
StgRock get off your highhorse every book has some bad bible veres in them.

For exmaple (Exodus 21:7-11 NLt)
Woman put up for Sex Slavery.




Rape in te bible
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Judges 21:10-24 NLT





3) Murdering Children
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I believe this thread is about plans to build a mosque near ground zero. A mosque is a muslim place of worship, what does Christianity have to do with that? My objection to the mosque is based on my years of study of Islam and the actions of islamic jihadist who are waging holy war on my home country. As well as the proximity of proposed mosque to what I consider sacred ground. I do not dispute that the OT has bad or even what may be evil verses in it. But that is not the subject of this thread.

btw, I may be from Texas but I do not own a horse let alone a high horse.
 
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SgtRock said:
RyrineaHaruno said:
I believe this thread is about plans to build a mosque near ground zero. A mosque is a muslim place of worship, what does Christianity have to do with that? My objection to the mosque is based on my years of study of Islam and the actions of islamic jihadist who are waging holy war on my home country. As well as the proximity of proposed mosque to what I consider sacred ground. I do not dispute that the OT has bad or even what could be evil verses in it. But that is not the subject of this thread.
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The point is that you can take things from both books, take them literally, ignore the entire message of the book, and justify really, really bad things. People in both religions do this. In other words, stop acting so sefl-righteous, both sides do it, and it's childish to say that the actions of the few reflects of over 1,000,000,000. You object to Islam, but not Christianity. In other words, you're applying a double-standard.
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
SgtRock said:
The point is that you can take things from both books, take them literally, ignore the entire message of the book, and justify really, really bad things. People in both religions do this. In other words, stop acting so sefl-righteous, both sides do it, and it's childish to say that the actions of the few reflects of over 1,000,000,000. You object to Islam, but not Christianity. In other words, you're applying a double-standard.
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Where did I say I did not object to christianity? And the point is a mosque is going to be built near ground zero in Manhatten NY. Please stay on topic, subject = mosque, ground zero, Islam, quran, evil
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This thread has totally gone off the rails and went beyond anything like discussion of the actual, original issue. :eek:t :flames:

Threadlock? :banned:
 
Goshin said:
This thread has totally gone off the rails and went beyond anything like discussion of the actual, original issue. :eek:t :flames:

Threadlock? :banned:
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No thankyou, though I agree, Christianity and the OT have nothing to do with the subject of this thread. I think the reason someone objects to a mosque being built near GZ is relevant.
 
sazerac said:
This is not something we would ever have considered doing until very recent times. We're at war with this religion.
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The terrorists who committed the atrocity on 9/11 were about as representative of the Islamic faith as Fred Phelps is of Christianity.

I don't blame Christianity for Fred Phelps, and I don't blame Islam for the terrorists who've co-opted and misused the religion because of their own prejudices.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The terrorists who committed the atrocity on 9/11 were about as representative of the Islamic faith as Fred Phelps is of Christianity.

I don't blame Christianity for Fred Phelps, and I don't blame Islam for the terrorists who've co-opted and misused the religion because of their own prejudices.
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Catz I just noticed something, you have been a member of DP for 1 year. You have over 15,000 posts, how is that possible?
 
SgtRock said:
Where did I say I did not object to christianity? And the point is a mosque is going to be built near ground zero in Manhatten NY. Please stay on topic, subject = mosque, ground zero, Islam, quran, evil
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I'm saying that you can't judge an entire religion based on the actions of a few extremists. You are judging Islam to be evil based on a few passages of the Koran and the actions of a relative few. I'm pointing out how this is stupid, that Islam is not evil, and therefore it isn't bad to put a mosque near there.
 
Goshin said:
I think that, at a minimum, it is kind of tasteless and probably not too bright either.

It's almost like building a shrine to Emperor Hirohito at Pearl Harbor.
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If you make any attempt to stop this being built, you've just allowed the government to define where any church can go at any point.

Congress passed a law in 2000 (signed by Clinton) that keeps churches out of most zoning restrictions.

If these activists overturn that law (and they would need to); then they've just opened the door for governments to tell churches nationwide where they can and can't build; making them much more highly regulated than they presently are.

Think of the consequences.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
If you make any attempt to stop this being built, you've just allowed the government to define where any church can go at any point.

Congress passed a law in 2000 (signed by Clinton) that keeps churches out of most zoning restrictions.

If these activists overturn that law (and they would need to); then they've just opened the door for governments to tell churches nationwide where they can and can't build; making them much more highly regulated than they presently are.

Think of the consequences.
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I agree, but Goshin is not saying that. He is saying it is in poor taste. Most of us probably agree it is in poor taste. What he is not saying is that they should be stopped or harassed about it.
 
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Blackdog said:
I agree, but Goshin is not saying that. He is saying it is in poor taste. Most of us probably agree it is in poor taste. What he is not saying is that they should be stopped, harassed in any way.
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Fair enough, but there's a lot of distasteful things done in the name of a lot of religions; so I'm not going to quibble with one over another.

It's religious freedom. It's guaranteed in this nation regardless of how tasteful it is. Fred Phelps does some pretty distasteful things in the name of his form of Christianity. We all agree that he doesn't speak for all Christians and most of us agree that he has the right to speak his mind, despite the fact that he's an embarrassment of a Christian and an embarrassment of an American.
 
By Frank J. Gaffney Jr.

Last week, John Brennan, the assistant to President Obama for homeland security and counterterrorism approvingly recalled a key point in the speech Mr. Obama delivered in Cairo in June: "America is not and never will be at war with Islam." Unfortunately, that statement ignores the fact that the decision as to whether the United States is at war with anybody is not entirely up to our leadership or people. The real question: Is Islam at war with us?

Certainly, hundreds of millions of Muslims the world over are not seeking to wage war against the United States, or other non-Muslim states. America has, as Mr. Brennan noted in his remarks before the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) on Thursday, a powerful interest in not making all those who practice Islam into our enemies.

Yet it would be a grave mistake to construe the problem we face as Mr. Brennan proceeded to do in his speech at CSIS: "We are at war with al Qaeda which attacked us on 9/11 and killed 3,000 people. We are at war with its violent extremist allies who seek to carry on al Qaeda's murderous agenda." He described that agenda as seeking "to replace sovereign nations with a global caliphate."

Unfortunately, that is the stated goal of all those who adhere to what authoritative Islam calls Shariah -- a number that includes many millions of people the world over. Mr. Brennan's speech made no reference to this wellspring of jihadism.

Of course, not all those who embrace Shariah are prepared to use terror against us. Shariah requires, though, that if its adherents do not actually engage in violent jihad, they must support it through financial or other means. After all, according to Shariah, the purpose of jihad is to bring about the triumph of Islam over the entire world. Shariah commands that the faithful must use violence where possible to advance that objective, and nonviolent means where not.
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But is 'Islam' at war with us? - Washington Times
 
Blackdog said:
I agree, but Goshin is not saying that. He is saying it is in poor taste. Most of us probably agree it is in poor taste. What he is not saying is that they should be stopped or harassed about it.
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I don't find it to be in poor taste. The people building the mosque aren't the people who destroyed the WTC in 2001.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I don't find it to be in poor taste. The people building the mosque aren't the people who destroyed the WTC in 2001.
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There are millions of Muslims who are working through violent and non-violent means to bring about the supremacy of Islam on Earth and this mosque is but one step in their march.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I don't find it to be in poor taste. The people building the mosque aren't the people who destroyed the WTC in 2001.
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This is true, but taste is subjective.

No definite wrong or right answer here.
 
bhkad said:
There are millions of Muslims who are working through violent and non-violent means to bring about the supremacy of Islam on Earth and this mosque is but one step in their march.
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Better get my tin foil hat out. The sky is most definitely falling.

Not trying to be rude or bait here but, isn't that kind of extremest?
 
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bhkad said:
There are millions of Muslims who are working through violent and non-violent means to bring about the supremacy of Islam on Earth and this mosque is but one step in their march.
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I sure hope you're armed every time you leave the house. It's a scary world you're living in.

p.s. There are hundreds of millions of christians who are working through violent and non-violent means to bring about the supremacy of Christianity on this earth. I hear they were meeting ALL OVER THE WORLD today to form their plans.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I sure hope you're armed every time you leave the house. It's a scary world you're living in.

p.s. There are hundreds of millions of christians who are working through violent and non-violent means to bring about the supremacy of Christianity on this earth. I hear they were meeting ALL OVER THE WORLD today to form their plans.
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I just got back from the meeting. I got my sites on all you non-Christan's! :shoot
 
Blackdog said:
I just got back from the meeting. I got my sites on all you non-Christan's! :shoot
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Are you pinky or the brain?

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the time has come to recognize that even if we insist we are not at war with Islam, many of the authorities of Islam are at war with us. Only by so doing can we connect with and empower our natural allies in this war -- Muslims who want to enjoy liberty in a Shariah-free America. And only by so doing, do we have a chance of prevailing.
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But is 'Islam' at war with us? - Washington Times
 
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