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Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

  • Good Move Jolt him!

    Votes: 26 65.0%

  • Bad Move He Caused No Harm!

    Votes: 11 27.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 7.5%
  • Total voters
    40
Let's say no one had a taser gun. Would the 6 men have been successful in eventually stopping this idiotic kid? I think so. So I cannot help but conclude that it was excessive.
 
Middleground said:
Let's say no one had a taser gun. Would the 6 men have been successful in eventually stopping this idiotic kid? I think so. So I cannot help but conclude that it was excessive.
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I would agree if this was not philly. Just sayin. :ssst:
 
Tasering should be used when other options aren't feasible. There is no reason they couldn't have just tackled the guy and pinned him. There is a non-zero risk of death and thus pure laziness is not a good enough motive for using them.
 
Cilogy said:
But if you don't trust the news, how do you know if he was shot or not?

:confused:
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Its frustrating, these events have been occurring for my entire life; its bad enough that so-called fans run unto the field of play, for 5 minutes of fame and 5 years of shame..., but now we have "over-reactors incorporated", our police using excessive force.They may never learn...
I only trust our news to be sensationalism based, of little value to society regulars but only to the fringes.
If I did not know if the fan were shot or not, what difference would it make?
 
rathi said:
Tasering should be used when other options aren't feasible. There is no reason they couldn't have just tackled the guy and pinned him. There is a non-zero risk of death and thus pure laziness is not a good enough motive for using them.
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I do not think our police are lazy; I do think that they are over-driven to succeed.
 
Middleground said:
Let's say no one had a taser gun. Would the 6 men have been successful in eventually stopping this idiotic kid? I think so. So I cannot help but conclude that it was excessive.
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So what you're saying is that one man, who broke the rules and the law, and then evaded being caught, should not be tazed at the expense of the players on the field, the coaches and executives who would be affected by a player injury, the fans in the stands that paid money to see a baseball game not a 8 minute chase, and the security who are having to run and chase after a guy breaking the law and risk injury in subduing him when another option is available.

Sorry, but I put the safety and convience of the people not breaking the law over the possible discomfort and extremely slim danger of the guy breaking it.
 
I like the restrictions to be put on the State.

But I mean, let's be realistic here. The guy was merely running around the outfield. Yes it delayed the game, but no more than normal....nothing really happens during a baseball game inbetween pitches and this helped to fill in the gap. No one was going to get hurt, what the **** is the guy gonna do? Whip out a gun or a knife? If so...then ok you have a stronger case for use of tazer. But that's not what happened. It was a drunk fan running around to the amusement of the other drunk fans.

The best course of action would have been to tackle him, cuff him, lead him away. I wonder what the punishments for these things are? They shouldn't be anything more than a fine.
 
Maybe he runs up and tries to hug a player, maybe he tries to evade the cop and stumbles into a play, or any other number of things? Unlikely? Perhaps, but so is the notion of him dieing or suffering long term damage from a tazer. So frankly if we're talking about two unlikely scenario's I'm more in favor of siding with the safety of the officers and the players than the guy obviously breaking the law.
 
The likely scenario is that the play is stopped, the guy gets his fun running around, is tackled by cops, and then is hauled away.

Injury or whatever....rarely happens and almost never to the players. Remember the guy who rushed the field and the pitcher ****ing laid his ass out. Guy had no ill intent, but the pitcher took him down. That's a hell of a lot more likely than the drunk guy hurting the players or something like that.

This is a no harm no foul sort of "crime". No one was at risk, no one was threatened, it was just a drunk guy doing what drunk guy's do.
 
Cilogy said:
Let's look at the facts:

1. Kid is running around in a CLOSED field.
2. Six guys are chasing him.
3. The human body tires after strenuous activity.

Unnecessary.

That guys been waiting three years to use that taser and finally goes "Oh snap I finally get to use this thing! :mrgreen:"
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Soo.... the answer is that the game stops. And everyone just stands there and watches until he runs himself out? :confused:

Ikari said:
I like the restrictions to be put on the State.

But I mean, let's be realistic here. The guy was merely running around the outfield. Yes it delayed the game, but no more than normal....nothing really happens during a baseball game inbetween pitches and this helped to fill in the gap. No one was going to get hurt, what the **** is the guy gonna do? Whip out a gun or a knife? If so...then ok you have a stronger case for use of tazer. But that's not what happened. It was a drunk fan running around to the amusement of the other drunk fans.

The best course of action would have been to tackle him, cuff him, lead him away. I wonder what the punishments for these things are? They shouldn't be anything more than a fine.
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Tackling him could easily be much more dangerous than tazing him, for both the tackler and the tackled.

If he whipped out a knife or gun, he would have been shot with a gun. Not tazed.

If they did nothing to stop him, how many more people do you think would try it at the next game?
 
Here in Indiana they tased a 10 year old boy! Anyone see that?
Although tasers are a tool that should only be used in the most strict situations to subdue someone who has became unruly.
NASSCAR -fans should be on a regular basis tased and repeatedly so. Only because watching something go left, left , left- and for two days even in the rain is just plain nuts man!
"Dont tase me bro"! Uh huh- Homey dont play that.
I aint gonna watch no dash gom race called"The stay-free mini".
 
rivrrat said:
Tackling him could easily be much more dangerous than tazing him, for both the tackler and the tackled.
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Then someone better get those offensive linemen some tazers. Maybe that's what Urlacher can use this year. You know...instead of tackling the wide receiver. Be like "well this is safer..."

rivrrat said:
If he whipped out a knife or gun, he would have been shot with a gun. Not tazed.

If they did nothing to stop him, how many more people do you think would try it at the next game?
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Do you people actually ever watch baseball or go to the games? People run on the field a lot. It's not shown on TV to not encourage it, but it's baseball. At least half the people in the stands are drunk out of their minds, the other half are partially out of their minds.

The people who run out on the field are stopped all the time. No one said let the guy do what he wants. He gets to run on the field of a major league ball park (which has to be awesome!), then gets tackled, arrested, etc. It's happened countless times before, it will happen countless times here after. Nature of the beast. At least he wasn't throwing D batteries at the pitcher like they do at some stadiums. It's overblown. Tazer...maybe ok, but it would have been better to just tackle him. And let's not go down the absurd road of "it's safer to use the tazer". ****ing just tackle the guy and be done with it.
 
I voted Other: A taser on isn't enough for most Phillies fans. They also should be spayed or neutered. :2razz:
 
Zyphlin said:
So what you're saying is that one man, who broke the rules and the law, and then evaded being caught, should not be tazed at the expense of the players on the field, the coaches and executives who would be affected by a player injury, the fans in the stands that paid money to see a baseball game not a 8 minute chase, and the security who are having to run and chase after a guy breaking the law and risk injury in subduing him when another option is available.

Sorry, but I put the safety and convience of the people not breaking the law over the possible discomfort and extremely slim danger of the guy breaking it.
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Does every instance of breaking the law require a taser? In my opinion, no. There were 6 guys dealing with this stupid kid... ample enough bodies to tackle him and get him off the field before any damage was done. Listen, these on-filed shenanigans have been done for over 50 years, and each instance was remedied without the use of a taser. I do not recall one instance where a player was hurt because of a streaker or some jerk delaying the game because of stupidity.
 
rathi said:
There is no reason they couldn't have just tackled the guy and pinned him. .
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Now come on -- the cop had a perfectly good reason to tase the kid.

He was too fat and slow to catch him.
 
Ikari said:
Then someone better get those offensive linemen some tazers. Maybe that's what Urlacher can use this year. You know...instead of tackling the wide receiver. Be like "well this is safer..."
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IIRC, people who tackle people for a living tend to be better at it and wear safety gear and knowingly accept the risks of tackling and being tackled while they get paid out the wazoo for it.


Do you people actually ever watch baseball or go to the games?
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No. I am not that masochistic.

People run on the field a lot. It's not shown on TV to not encourage it, but it's baseball. At least half the people in the stands are drunk out of their minds, the other half are partially out of their minds.

The people who run out on the field are stopped all the time. No one said let the guy do what he wants. He gets to run on the field of a major league ball park (which has to be awesome!), then gets tackled, arrested, etc. It's happened countless times before, it will happen countless times here after. Nature of the beast. At least he wasn't throwing D batteries at the pitcher like they do at some stadiums. It's overblown. Tazer...maybe ok, but it would have been better to just tackle him. And let's not go down the absurd road of "it's safer to use the tazer". ****ing just tackle the guy and be done with it.
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You're the one who brought up safety issues. If you want to go that route, tazering is safer than tackling them - for BOTH parties. Not to mention, not every cop is going to be able to catch and tackle every person.

Little jolt isn't going to hurt him. Bet he won't run onto the field again. :lol:
 
The amount of hate for the city of brotherly love here is appalling. You should all be ashamed. The Phillies and Flyers don't deserve such bad mouthing though the Eagles should get all they can handle. To those who are Met fans I have one thing to say:

:2rofll:

*ahem* However, I do side with you haters by saying, any fan running around a Philly sporting arena delaying the game should be immediately tazered... walked out of the building and then tazered again in the parking lot just being a stupid mofo. I'd also like this type of action to be taken with fans of the Giants, Islanders, Rangers, Blackhawks, Kings, Raiders, Panthers, ... ahh... well... the list is too long. How about I just say ALL fans in any city. There... I feel better.
 
Ikari said:
I like the restrictions to be put on the State.

But I mean, let's be realistic here. The guy was merely running around the outfield. Yes it delayed the game, but no more than normal....nothing really happens during a baseball game inbetween pitches and this helped to fill in the gap. No one was going to get hurt, what the **** is the guy gonna do? Whip out a gun or a knife? If so...then ok you have a stronger case for use of tazer. But that's not what happened. It was a drunk fan running around to the amusement of the other drunk fans.

The best course of action would have been to tackle him, cuff him, lead him away. I wonder what the punishments for these things are? They shouldn't be anything more than a fine.
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Actually, you'd have a stronger case for use of shooting the bastard in the face if he whipped out a gun or a knife.

We use one level of force ABOVE what the offender uses, not below.
 
rivrrat said:
IIRC, people who tackle people for a living tend to be better at it and wear safety gear and knowingly accept the risks of tackling and being tackled while they get paid out the wazoo for it.
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I played **** tons of backyard tackle ball. I guess I should have used a tazer eh? I mean, it's safer than tackling and I'm not a professional athlete with lots of expensive equipment. So it should have been better for me to use a tazer instead. So we should give our kids tazers when they go out to play tackle football. I mean...it's safer for everyone involved, right?

rivrrat said:
No. I am not that masochistic.
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Exactly, so you don't really know what you're talking about.

rivrrat said:
You're the one who brought up safety issues. If you want to go that route, tazering is safer than tackling them - for BOTH parties. Not to mention, not every cop is going to be able to catch and tackle every person.

Little jolt isn't going to hurt him. Bet he won't run onto the field again. :lol:
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No I didn't bring up safety issues, that was you. I said it was best to just tackle the guy. So are you ok with little kids using tazers during pickup tackle football games?

You see in the end the "safety" arguments of all flavors are bull**** arguments that don't pan out to reality. We have to ask, why was he tazered? For trespassing during an social entertainment event which he paid to get into. Perhaps in that case, tazering is not all the called for. Especially when the guy is outnumbered and chased down. Just tackle the guy. No more of these BS excuses over "safety". Fact is this has happened numerous times before, it will happen numerous times later. And this is one of the very rare, few cases in which the guy running on the field wasn't tackled. And guess what? Not a bunch of people getting hurt, no players getting thrown on DL because of it, etc. So let's take this for what it is and not go into absurd hyperbole to try to excuse the actions of the police state. Tazering was not necessary.
 
Caine said:
Actually, you'd have a stronger case for use of shooting the bastard in the face if he whipped out a gun or a knife.

We use one level of force ABOVE what the offender uses, not below.
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The gun can elicit response with gun. The knife...that would excuse the tazer, but not a gun. Well that would depend. But if the suspect is standing away from folk brandishing a gun, it's tazer excused. If he's lunging or within proximity of others it's gun excused.
 
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One day later a 34-year-old man who ran on the field at a Phillies game to chants of "Tase him!" has been charged with marijuana possession, criminal mischief, disorderly conduct and other counts. WTF is wrong with these people?
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Welcome to Philly. :roll:
 
Ockham said:
The amount of hate for the city of brotherly love here is appalling. You should all be ashamed. The Phillies and Flyers don't deserve such bad mouthing though the Eagles should get all they can handle. To those who are Met fans I have one thing to say:
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True story... Devils flyers, NJ. Flyers devils fan get into a fight, on the bus ride home same fyers fan stabs another.



True Story.... Took my wife toa phantoms game when we were in philly, fight breaks out, 9 year old girls in 4h stashes start screaming "kill that mother****er" and other such vernaculars....



Philidelphia sports fans are savages. :lamo
 
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