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Who is behind the New York Times Square car bomb?

Who is behind the New York Times Square car bomb?

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  • Someone trying to disguise a crime as terrorism.

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  • A left winged anarchist type

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You have all hear about the amateurish car bomb attempt in Times Square.

Who is responsible, do you think?
 
Ummmmm.....too early to say? Speculation without evidence is fruitless.
 
The same people who killed the census worker in Tennessee.

By the way, MOD, this is one of your dumbest surveys, to date.
 
The same people who killed the census worker in Tennessee.

By the way, MOD, this is one of your dumbest surveys, to date.

Not your most intelligent post either dear... :rofl

Now, do you want to speculate on who may possibly be behind the car bomb, or do you want to make useless responses to threads you think are dumb? :rolleyes:
 
The purpose of this thread, peoples, is to invite speculative guessing. I thought it was obvious that we don't know the culprit yet, but apparently not to everyone. lol...
 
Just looking at the type of explosives they tried to use, and the failed detonation this has the hallmarks of a homegrown terrorist attempt.
Firstly its extremely amateurish, a hodgepodge of different types of explosives: fireworks, black powder, propane tanks, and NO shrapnel around the explosives.
None of these are particularly explosive and probably won't do much damage, in fact the SUV these were packed it would probably do more to contain the explosion than expand it. A propane tank would probably make more of a fire ball than dangerous explosion, the fireworks and black powder would do the same. Especially if the propane or fireworks were ignited first, it would blow the black powder for a split second and reduce its effectiveness.
If the the goal of this was to kill people it would have been built differently, or it means the bomb makers dont know what they are doing.

Additionally, all overseas terrorists that have come to this country have been suicide attackers, this guy ran from the vehicle after he planted it. Also most IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan these days aren't timed bombs, they are built with triggers so they can be set off at any time. I keep with IED attacks and disarmed bombs through the Army and timed explosives are very very uncommon.

Lastly homegrown terrorists tend to be more concerned about their lives than Afghan, Pakistanis, or AQ in general. If this was someone from overseas it would have almost certainly been a suicide bomber. Its also unlikely that someone sent a bomb maker to the US, those people are valuable and most are trained and experienced in converting military explosives into IEDs, not propane tanks and fireworks.

I don't know anything other than open source but in my experience and education this says homegrown terrorist, I could even see this as someone without a terrorist agenda.
 
Just looking at the type of explosives they tried to use, and the failed detonation this has the hallmarks of a homegrown terrorist attempt.
Firstly its extremely amateurish, a hodgepodge of different types of explosives: fireworks, black powder, propane tanks, and NO shrapnel around the explosives.
None of these are particularly explosive and probably won't do much damage, in fact the SUV these were packed it would probably do more to contain the explosion than expand it. A propane tank would probably make more of a fire ball than dangerous explosion, the fireworks and black powder would do the same. Especially if the propane or fireworks were ignited first, it would blow the black powder for a split second and reduce its effectiveness.
If the the goal of this was to kill people it would have been built differently, or it means the bomb makers dont know what they are doing.

Additionally, all overseas terrorists that have come to this country have been suicide attackers, this guy ran from the vehicle after he planted it. Also most IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan these days aren't timed bombs, they are built with triggers so they can be set off at any time. I keep with IED attacks and disarmed bombs through the Army and timed explosives are very very uncommon.

Lastly homegrown terrorists tend to be more concerned about their lives than Afghan, Pakistanis, or AQ in general. If this was someone from overseas it would have almost certainly been a suicide bomber. Its also unlikely that someone sent a bomb maker to the US, those people are valuable and most are trained and experienced in converting military explosives into IEDs, not propane tanks and fireworks.

I don't know anything other than open source but in my experience and education this says homegrown terrorist, I could even see this as someone without a terrorist agenda.

I agree, it was incredibly amateurish.
The safety valve on propane tanks make them difficult to explode, if at all.
 
This is what an exploding propane tank looks like: You can see most of the energy and heat is expended going upward not out, and only lasts for a split second. If you were standing right next to it, you might be burned some but in no way killed unless it was a huge amount of propane.
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And this is what the canister looks like, the entry and exit points of my bullet are peeled back, but otherwise the canister is in tact, meaning the explosion created no shrapnel.

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BTW, ignore that goofy ass look on my face...
 
This is what an exploding propane tank looks like: You can see most of the energy and heat is expended going upward not out, and only lasts for a split second. If you were standing right next to it, you might be burned some but in no way killed unless it was a huge amount of propane.

And this is what the canister looks like, the entry and exit points of my bullet are peeled back, but otherwise the canister is in tact, meaning the explosion created no shrapnel.

BTW, ignore that goofy ass look on my face...

I thought they were talking about these.

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The safety valve on the top pushes out the hotter the gas gets, so you might get a flaming jet but hardly any explosion.
I've seen some guys experiment with this, using a high power rifles, with no explosion.
 
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Yes if you shoot a propane tank on its own it will not explode, and yes I'd imagine they were using bigger ones than me but the principle is the same.

In those photos I had lit a small fire and placed the propane tank inside of it, so when I punctured the tank with my rifle the gas would ignite from the fire. If there was no fire, there would be no explosion.
 
Not your most intelligent post either dear... :rofl

Now, do you want to speculate on who may possibly be behind the car bomb, or do you want to make useless responses to threads you think are dumb? :rolleyes:

I think it's ridiculous to make speculative guesses without evidence. It leads to stupidity and panic.
 
Yes if you shoot a propane tank on its own it will not explode, and yes I'd imagine they were using bigger ones than me but the principle is the same.

In those photos I had lit a small fire and placed the propane tank inside of it, so when I punctured the tank with my rifle the gas would ignite from the fire. If there was no fire, there would be no explosion.

If I'm not mistaken the tank you were using has no relief valve, so the gas expansion plus the restricted environment for the gas, causes the explosion.

That is difference between the two tanks.
If that were a regular LP tank, the gas would of already started leaking via the relief valve which would release pressure off the tank walls, preventing the explosion from happening.

BTW, our knowledge of explosives has put us on a terrorist watch list. :2razz:
 
If I'm not mistaken the tank you were using has no relief valve, so the gas expansion plus the restricted environment for the gas, causes the explosion.

That is difference between the two tanks.
If that were a regular LP tank, the gas would of already started leaking via the relief valve which would release pressure off the tank walls, preventing the explosion from happening.

BTW, our knowledge of explosives has put us on a terrorist watch list. :2razz:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FHTXwpVMvs"]YouTube- mythbusters propane tank james bond pt 1[/nomedia]
 
If I'm not mistaken the tank you were using has no relief valve, so the gas expansion plus the restricted environment for the gas, causes the explosion.

That is difference between the two tanks.
If that were a regular LP tank, the gas would of already started leaking via the relief valve which would release pressure off the tank walls, preventing the explosion from happening.

BTW, our knowledge of explosives has put us on a terrorist watch list. :2razz:

It still would have exploded if you did it with a lit fire. The value wouldn't start releasing the gas right away as the fire wouldnt have heated it up that fast, and once I had put a hole in it the release value would be meaningless because its all going out of the hole.
 
Nerdish prankster loner with poor social skills and a lack of friends and family to share their ... .. oh wait a minute .... one of us?
 
It still would have exploded if you did it with a lit fire. The value wouldn't start releasing the gas right away as the fire wouldnt have heated it up that fast, and once I had put a hole in it the release value would be meaningless because its all going out of the hole.

That is true.
Needless to say, a propane tank is a poor explosive.
It's better to stick to hard compounds.

Public service announcement: don't use explosives, they are bad. :naughty
 
I love Mythbusters.

I've seen some people do experiments with propane tanks, in chemistry related forums.
Fun stuff but dangerous if done stupidly.

I found the last two sentences in conjunction to be hilariously funny.
 
I found the last two sentences in conjunction to be hilariously funny.
You have a very dirty mind.

But now that you mention it...

:rofl
 
You have a very dirty mind.

But now that you mention it...

:rofl

Dirty mind? Nothing I was thinking was the least dirty, but now you have me really curious as to what you are thinking...
 
Dirty mind? Nothing I was thinking was the least dirty, but now you have me really curious as to what you are thinking...
Uh Oh...

I've been found out!

Here:
I've seen some people do experiments with propane tanks, in chemistry related forums.
Fun stuff but dangerous if done stupidly.
 
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