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Why do the poor do badly in school?

Why do the poor do badly in school?

  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    Votes: 7 17.1%

  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    Votes: 15 36.6%

  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    Votes: 4 9.8%

  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    Votes: 11 26.8%

  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    Votes: 14 34.1%

  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    Votes: 11 26.8%

  • socio-economic factors

    Votes: 23 56.1%

  • gang culture

    Votes: 19 46.3%

  • other... (please describe)

    Votes: 23 56.1%
  • Total voters
    41
Urethra Franklin said:
Rather a shame you can only come up with such an incorrect definition.
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fair is a stupid term in politics or in world government

you see libs claim the rich don't pay their "fair share" of taxes even though they pay more than the bottom 95%

my concept of fair is pay for what you use or in the alternative, everyone deserves to keep the same percentage of the next dollar he earns.

your concept of a fair society appears to be one where the hard working and industrious are tasked with taking care of the lazy and untalented.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
I'm not aware I ever said that either. Some societies are fairer than others.
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Some societies are fairer to you and yours, you mean... ;)

All of life is a very subjective experience.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
I didn't say life is fair. I said US society was unfair - unfairer than many others. Get over it.
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How are you coming to this conclusion?

I know your society creates more arrogance than ours. Arrogance in the absence of achievement.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Some societies are fairer to you and yours, you mean... ;)

All of life is a very subjective experience.
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Truth.

I think I can finish this off with a Heinlein quote.

"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.This is known as "bad luck."

(Thanks to megaprogman.:2razz:)
 
TurtleDude said:
your concept of a fair society appears to be one where the hard working and industrious are tasked with taking care of the lazy and untalented.
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Completely incorrect and you have missed the point of my original post entirely. Did you actually read it?
I was hard working and I was considered relatively bright. I was helped by the fact that I lived in a society where you could get into university on your merits and your motivation. It was free but they didn't take just anybody who rocked up on the day for a laugh and a free lunch because they couldn't be bothered to go to work. There was, believe it or not, an application and selection process to go through (I don't believe you actually need this explaining to you, like are you TOT's reincarnation or what?) Money didn't come into the equation, which was great for me because my working class parents didn't have two pennies to rub together. In many less fair systems, I would have been churned out into the workforce after elementary education and my full potential never realised just because my parents weren't wealthy.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Truth.

I think I can finish this off with a Heinlein quote.

"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.This is known as "bad luck."

(Thanks to megaprogman.:2razz:)
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some is rich, and some is poor
that's the way the world is
but i don't believe in lying back
sayin' how bad your luck is


(Joe Strummer RIP)
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Some societies are fairer to you and yours, you mean... ;)
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No. I'm quite comfortably off now thank you, but I don't resent paying taxes to fund health care, education and public services to help those less fortunate than myself. ;)
 
TurtleDude said:
some is rich, and some is poor
that's the way the world is
but i don't believe in lying back
sayin' how bad your luck is


(Joe Strummer RIP)
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Pretty much.

Life can suck really bad unless you do something about it and even then there are no guarantees, just a higher likelihood that it could be better.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
No. I'm quite comfortably off now thank you, but I don't resent paying taxes to fund health care, education and public services to help those less fortunate than myself. ;)
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You are such a saint... You and Princess Di.
 
reefedjib said:
We recently talked about some of this in another thread. I am curious what others think are the driving factors for why the poor, both urban and rural, do so poorly in school.
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Generally, lack of ability leads to lower socio-economic factors. Those that have the ability and motivation aren't slowed much by having to work, they still do well. In general, those that have lower socio-economic status are there because they lack the ability or understanding needed to get out of said situation.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Generally, lack of ability leads to lower socio-economic factors. Those that have the ability and motivation aren't slowed much by having to work, they still do well. In general, those that have lower socio-economic status are there because they lack the ability or understanding needed to get out of said situation.
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Classist scum! ;)
 
TurtleDude said:
funny you mention ABBA

where did they establish residency to get away from that Uber fair society
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Don't such people usually go somewhere they can pay less tax on their fortunes, like they'd starve if they didn't or something?
 
Urethra Franklin said:
That parasite was not a saint, and if you think I am you should you spend an evening with me and a bottle of vodka, then you'll see the truth.
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...a bottle each sounds better.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
That parasite was not a saint, and if you think I am you should you spend an evening with me and a bottle of vodka, then you'll see the truth.
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I think that's really spelled 'Wodka', moja przyachiel.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Don't such people usually go somewhere they can pay less tax on their fortunes, like they'd starve if they didn't or something?
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ah there's the parasite attitude. the wealthy should be pleased to have their wealth sucked away by people who do nothing to contribute to their wealth

from each according to their ability nonsense
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Truth.

I think I can finish this off with a Heinlein quote.

"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.This is known as "bad luck."

(Thanks to megaprogman.:2razz:)
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I disagree with his philosophy, but I thought you would like him. :)

(Just wait until you get into his thought about incest ... (Time Enough For Love))
 
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TurtleDude said:
ah there's the parasite attitude. the wealthy should be pleased to have their wealth sucked away by people who do nothing to contribute to their wealth

from each according to their ability nonsense
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Not so. I was no "parasite" for getting a free education. My parents had paid the modest taxes that matched their income, and I pay my significantly higher taxes now. I do believe in people paying tax relative to their income and situation. Country hopping to avoid doing so once you've made it, after you've benefitted from the education, health and social services that were there for you in more modest times, is a pretty poor show. I'm not too au courant with the Abba story, however from my vague memory, didn't Agnetha go back to Sweden? And Frida to Switzerland?
 
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