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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

  • No

    Votes: 99 79.2%
  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 26 20.8%

  • Total voters
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So you've got nothing, and want to try and scare people with the fear of the unknown. You know what else has unforeseen ramifications? Leaving your house, interacting with other people. Just because it has unforeseen ramifications doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.

That sentiment has served our environment well, hasn't it?
 
What I've seen, universally, is that all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin since it IS specifically addressed in the bible.

I'm a Christian, and I don't think homosexuality is a sin. Please don't paint us all as ignorant.
 
I'm a Christian, and I don't think homosexuality is a sin. Please don't paint us all as ignorant.

Has nothing to do with ignorance. It has more to do with the ability to accept God's word rather than make it what you want it to be.

The fact that you would call the majority of Christians ignorant is pretty bad.
 
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I also thought your god said something about not judging others and loving others as you would yourself. I mean, we can all pick and choose, but end of the day the main message is that you live by these edicts laid out and god will worry about everything else.
 
Has nothing to do with ignorance. It has more to do with the ability to accept God's word rather than make it what you want it to be.

The fact that you would call the majority of Christians ignorant is pretty bad.

The majority of Christians take the Bible literally.

Biblical literalism is ignorant.
 
The majority of Christians take the Bible literally.

Biblical literalism is ignorant.

Not unless the majority of Christians are the Phelps family. Fact is they don't. It's like anything else some is literal, some is figurative. Its not that hard to figure out.

You on the other hand appear to be on the opposite side of the coin. In direct conflict with what the Bible teaches.
 
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I also thought your god said something about not judging others and loving others as you would yourself. I mean, we can all pick and choose, but end of the day the main message is that you live by these edicts laid out and god will worry about everything else.

Ahh we are often accused of "judging" whenever we speak out against any activity we see as sinful. However, that is not the meaning of the verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise with careful consideration. When Jesus told us not to judge, He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. This also has literally nothing to do with loving someone. Unless you think loving someone is accepting something they do is OK even though it means hell.

At the end of the day it is better to understand the Bible. I understand according to the Bible what Jesus has asked of me. According to it, you and her are wrong.
 
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Not unless the majority of Christians are the Phelps family. Fact is they don't. It's like anything else some is literal, some is figurative. Its not that hard to figure out.

You on the other hand appear to be on the opposite side of the coin. In direct conflict with what the Bible teaches.

Most Christians do read the Bible literally, and who decides what should be taken literal, and what shouldn't?

You have to take the Bible, and try to understand what it says, not what it reads. You must understand the culture of the time, the language in which it was written, and why it was written to understand the Bible. You can't take the English translation literally, otherwise you will severely misinterpret the book. I'm not in direct conflict with what the Bible teaches, people who use the Bible to bash homosexuality are.
 
This also has literally nothing to do with loving someone. Unless you think loving someone is accepting something they do is OK even though it means hell.

This is the essence of non-judgmental love though. You can say "Hey, I think X is wrong", fair enough. But using things such as government force to compel compliance is completely different. Everything that Jesus had taught essentially comes down to "don't be a dick".
 
Most Christians do read the Bible literally, and who decides what should be taken literal, and what shouldn't?

No they don't, they tend to take the OT to heart and that is the real problem. Not with literal interpretations.

It is self explanatory. I mean when a passage says a day for God is like 1000 years to us he was speaking figuratively.

You have to take the Bible, and try to understand what it says, not what it reads.

I know what it says. I also know how it reads.

In this case it says you are wrong.

You must understand the culture of the time, the language in which it was written, and why it was written to understand the Bible.

It was written in Hebrew and Greek for the most part. With a smidgen in Aramaic. I know about most of the miss translations etc. And yet the message remains the same. Those passages condemning same sex actions are still condemning it.

You can't take the English translation literally, otherwise you will severely misinterpret the book. I'm not in direct conflict with what the Bible teaches, people who use the Bible to bash homosexuality are.

No you will not. Most of the miss translations are so few and so minor it changes little. Homosexuality is wrong according to any translation.
 
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This is the essence of non-judgmental love though. You can say "Hey, I think X is wrong", fair enough. But using things such as government force to compel compliance is completely different. Everything that Jesus had taught essentially comes down to "don't be a dick".

Jesus also said if your eye causes you to sin cut it off and cast it from you. Better to not see than face hell fire.

Humans are not expected or required to love without judgment. I can love as does God and still judge something as wrong. Love means more than ignoring bad things.

No place in the Bible does it ask us to ignore sin. In fact when he did save the adulterous woman he said "go forth and sin no more."
 
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Jesus also said if your eye causes you to sin cut it off and cast it from you. Better to not see than face hell fire.

Humans are not expected or required to love without judgment. I can love as does God and still judge something as wrong. Love means more than ignoring bad things.

No place in the Bible does it ask us to ignore sin. In fact when he did save the adulterous woman he said "go forth and sin no more."

Also, there is a difference between passing personal judgement on someone ("I hate so-n-so because...") and saying "the bible says that is a sin, and I cannot support sin."

The latter is not being judgemental, it is standing by what you believe.
 
I'm not here to defend religion, I'm just saying there is a fundamental difference to the opposiotions of the two separate issues.

You can't deny that people did use the Bible to oppose interracial marriage. They did that. Other people who opposed interracial marriage were simply ignorant, bigoted and simply uncomfortable or disgusted with the idea for whatever reason, but there were many people who thought it was against God's word and God's will. That isn't my opinion, it's what happened. Just because 40 years later you think their religious arguments against interracial marriage weren't valid does not mean that people didn't believe them and use them as serious arguments.

And again, the opposition to same-sex marriage is rooted in the same two places in my opinion, religion and ignorance/bigotry. Many people use the Bible to justify their own personal opposition to same-sex marriage, and the other people who oppose it are either deeply uncomfortable or disgusted with the idea for whatever reason or else just blatantly ignoring the research that show same-sex marriage is good for LGBT people, their children, etc., (which is millions of people mind you) with literally no evidence that it has harmful effects on the well-being of non-LGBT people.

I don't see a fundamental difference in the opposition to those two issues. In fact, I see no difference at all.
 
Has nothing to do with ignorance. It has more to do with the ability to accept God's word rather than make it what you want it to be.

In your opinion. I see at understanding God's word.
 
You can't deny that people did use the Bible to oppose interracial marriage. They did that. Other people who opposed interracial marriage were simply ignorant, bigoted and simply uncomfortable or disgusted with the idea for whatever reason, but there were many people who thought it was against God's word and God's will. That isn't my opinion, it's what happened. Just because 40 years later you think their religious arguments against interracial marriage weren't valid does not mean that people didn't believe them and use them as serious arguments.

And again, the opposition to same-sex marriage is rooted in the same two places in my opinion, religion and ignorance/bigotry. Many people use the Bible to justify their own personal opposition to same-sex marriage, and the other people who oppose it are either deeply uncomfortable or disgusted with the idea for whatever reason or else just blatantly ignoring the research that show same-sex marriage is good for LGBT people, their children, etc., (which is millions of people mind you) with literally no evidence that it has harmful effects on the well-being of non-LGBT people.

I don't see a fundamental difference in the opposition to those two issues. In fact, I see no difference at all.

Again, not here to defend religion. The impact of the religious"ness" of interracial marriage is minimized by the fact that the same religions are practiced across racial boundaries. If you look at it from a purely political standpoint, the larger more organized sects had a lot to lose by alienating any one race.
 
Also, there is a difference between passing personal judgement on someone ("I hate so-n-so because...") and saying "the bible says that is a sin, and I cannot support sin."

The latter is not being judgemental, it is standing by what you believe.

Am I judgmental when I know a murderer has committed an evil act? When someone commits and act clearly defined in the bible as a sin, a Christian is not being judgmental for recognizing that sin.
 
You have made no claim at all. Historical context to what?

Of course I've made a claim. My claim is that there is a difference between reading God's word and understanding God's word. And without context, words and concepts are meaningless.
 
Gay Marriage should absolutely be legalized. This is a certain topic that really gets me heated up and I'm not even gay. The fact that people in America and all around the world think they a have a right to tell people who they can get married to is absolutely ridiculous. Evidence points to being Gay as something that is genetic, not LEARNED like many people say. A gay couple getting married effects your marriage and life and no negative way what so ever. Getting a marriage license is not some holy bond endorsed by god, it is just a union recognized by the U.S. government. I am not trying to alienate all Christians here but the number one reason i see brought up against gay marriage is a handful of verses in the bible. All of these verses were written by men. Jesus never even said single word about it, if it was so wrong one would think the son of God would have mentioned it.

Let them get married. It won't have any negative effect on your life, the only difference is gay couples will have a marriage license.
 
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Gay Marriage should absolutely be legalized. This is a certain topic that really gets me heated up and I'm not even gay. The fact that people in America and all around the world think they a have a right to tell people who they can get married to is absolutely ridiculous. Evidence points to being Gay as something that is genetic, not LEARNED like many people say. A gay couple getting married effects your marriage and life and no negative way what so ever. Getting a marriage license is not some holy bond endorsed by god, it is just a union recognized by the U.S. government. I am not trying to alienate all Christians here but the number one reason i see brought up against gay marriage is a handful of verses in the bible. All of these verses were written by men. Jesus never even said single word about it, if it was so wrong one would think the son of God would have mentioned it.

Let them get married. It won't have any negative effect on your life, the only difference is gay couples will have a marriage license.

Though I agree with your position on GM, one thing of note. researchers are unsure of the causes of sexual orientation in general... heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality. Most attribute it to a combination of the following factors: biological, genetic, hormonal/chemical, environmental. There is no clear, conclusive evidence, though.
 
I see, it was my mistake then. I suppose it is better to say your sexuality is something that is more than likely out of your control.
 
Gay Marriage should absolutely be legalized. This is a certain topic that really gets me heated up and I'm not even gay. The fact that people in America and all around the world think they a have a right to tell people who they can get married to is absolutely ridiculous. Evidence points to being Gay as something that is genetic, not LEARNED like many people say. A gay couple getting married effects your marriage and life and no negative way what so ever. Getting a marriage license is not some holy bond endorsed by god, it is just a union recognized by the U.S. government. I am not trying to alienate all Christians here but the number one reason i see brought up against gay marriage is a handful of verses in the bible. All of these verses were written by men. Jesus never even said single word about it, if it was so wrong one would think the son of God would have mentioned it.

Let them get married. It won't have any negative effect on your life, the only difference is gay couples will have a marriage license.

So it's your assertion that the government has no right to regulate what people do? Society sets standards on quite a few issues, marriage is just one of them. Let me ask you a question: If you're walking through the park with your kids and you turn a corner to discover some people having sex on a park bench. Does that affect you? Does that affect your kids? Do you have any right in saying that it is wrong for people to have sex in public? Say you're sitting down to dinner and some folks at the table next to you are speaking loudly using words you find offensive. Does that affect you?

There are a huge number of mental conditions and disorders that are considered by the mental health community to be directly caused by entirely external factors. To say that gay marriage WILL NOT have an affect on people is an assumption and only an assumption. You have no proof to back that up. There are all kind of things I could dream up based on the outcomes of other major changes in society that had results no one expected.

The majority of the worlds population has been opposed to gay marriage throughout the history of the species. Marginalizing their beliefs and opinions on the issue makes you every bit as bigoted and ignorant as you claim they are.

Evidence points to being Gay as something that is genetic, not LEARNED like many people say.

This is simply false. The evidence in most studies says no such thing.
 
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So it's your assertion that the government has no right to regulate what people do? Society sets standards on quite a few issues, marriage is just one of them. Let me ask you a question: If you're walking through the park with your kids and you turn a corner to discover some people having sex on a park bench. Does that affect you? Does that affect your kids? Do you have any right in saying that it is wrong for people to have sex in public? Say you're sitting down to dinner and some folks at the table next to you are speaking loudly using words you find offensive. Does that affect you?

There are a huge number of mental conditions and disorders that are considered by the mental health community to be directly caused by entirely external factors. The majority of the worlds population has been opposed to gay marriage throughout the history of the species. Marginalizing their beliefs and opinions on the issue makes you every bit as bigoted and ignorant as you claim they are.



This is simply false. The evidence in most studies says no such thing.

I may disagree with your position, overall, but what you say above is entirely logical.
 
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