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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

  • No

    Votes: 99 79.2%

  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 26 20.8%
  • Total voters
    125
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bub said:
I wonder why a 750-posts-long debate is even needed to reach this conclusion. Copy/past this very paragraph (is that correct English?) and you can destroy any anti-gay mariage argument.
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yep pretty much
in my opinion and i stated it earlier, some people simply just dont care if there isnt a good reason. They just simply dont want it "BECAUSE I SAID SO" lol They simply dont mind being unsound. unreasonable, discriminative, illogical, bias, selfish, arrogant, hypercritical, anti-american and or a bigot.

The vast majority of the resons given were the same about not wanting womens rights, minority rights and interracial marriage. They were stupind, meaningless and shallow then and they most certainly continue to be now.
 
bub said:
I wonder why a 750-posts-long debate is even needed to reach this conclusion. Copy/past this very paragraph (is that correct English?) and you can destroy any anti-gay mariage argument.
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I have several of my "opposition-destroying" gay rights posts saved for copy/paste purposes. The problem is that no matter how often they get posted, there are some who refuse to listen to logic or acknowledge facts no matter how often it is shown to them. They stay stuck with their positions, no matter how wrong they are, how illogical they are, and regardless of the multitudes of proof that show both. They base their positions on morals... which in and of itself is not a problem. Problem is when they attempt to pass these morals on as facts, which they are not, and which they do not seem to understand is a laughable and ridiculous way to present anything.
 
Centrist77 said:
yep pretty much
in my opinion and i stated it earlier, some people simply just dont care if there isnt a good reason. They just simply dont want it "BECAUSE I SAID SO" lol They simply dont mind being unsound. unreasonable, discriminative, illogical, bias, selfish, arrogant, hypercritical, anti-american and or a bigot.

The vast majority of the resons given were the same about not wanting womens rights, minority rights and interracial marriage. They were stupind, meaningless and shallow then and they most certainly continue to be now.
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Gay mariage and adoption by gay people is legal here in Belgium.

If you are interested in the reasoning that has been used to justify these two laws, I can copy it here.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I have several of my "opposition-destroying" gay rights posts saved for copy/paste purposes. The problem is that no matter how often they get posted, there are some who refuse to listen to logic or acknowledge facts no matter how often it is shown to them. They stay stuck with their positions, no matter how wrong they are, how illogical they are, and regardless of the multitudes of proof that show both. They base their positions on morals... which in and of itself is not a problem. Problem is when they attempt to pass these morals on as facts, which they are not, and which they do not seem to understand is a laughable and ridiculous way to present anything.
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One last thing...they say that it (anal sex I suppose) is unhealthy...but what about lesbians?
 
Panache said:
No. I do love my parents, but I don't want to live with them forever and have sex with them. Then again, there aren't any women I want to live with forever either, or men for that matter, so what's your point? I like being single. Why should I be treated as as second class citizen for choosing to remain so?
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I can never tell if you are being serious, because the things you write are so far out in left field it's as if you don't even understand what we're discussing and are putting forth non-sequitors just to throw us off.
 
bub said:
One last thing...they say that it (anal sex I suppose) is unhealthy...but what about lesbians?
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Lesbians don't have anal sex with each other, bub, unless we're talking strap-ons. :2razz:

Seriously, throw this out at them. Watch them just dismiss it.
 
captaincourtesy said:
i have several of my "opposition-destroying" gay rights posts saved for copy/paste purposes. The problem is that no matter how often they get posted, there are some who refuse to listen to logic or acknowledge facts no matter how often it is shown to them. They stay stuck with their positions, no matter how wrong they are, how illogical they are, and regardless of the multitudes of proof that show both. They base their positions on morals... Which in and of itself is not a problem. Problem is when they attempt to pass these morals on as facts, which they are not, and which they do not seem to understand is a laughable and ridiculous way to present anything.
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amen amen amen
preach on brother cc!!!!:yes:

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CaptainCourtesy said:
Lesbians don't have anal sex with each other, bub, unless we're talking strap-ons. :2razz:

Seriously, throw this out at them. Watch them just dismiss it.
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And, this may surprise people, but apparently straight people sometimes have anal sex too.
 
bub said:
Gay mariage and adoption by gay people is legal here in Belgium.

If you are interested in the reasoning that has been used to justify these two laws, I can copy it here.
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thanks, no need to post here but feel free to private message it to me as it wont be wasted there. I appreciate it.
 
Centrist77 said:
thanks, no need to post here but feel free to private message it to me as it wont be wasted there. I appreciate it.
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I'll do it as soon as I find my course, which is not here...PM me if I forget :p
 
bub said:
Gay mariage and adoption by gay people is legal here in Belgium.

If you are interested in the reasoning that has been used to justify these two laws, I can copy it here.
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Send it to me, too.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
None of what you say is accurate or logical. As usual. Firstly, morality is relative, so your point is negated. Secondly, it is found in nature, so it is natural, so your point is negated. And thirdly, homosexuality is not unhealthy. Certain behaviors that homosexuals and heterosexuals practice are unhealthy... so your point is negated.

That was easy. Destroying your entire position in one simple paragraph. And didn't even need to break a sweat.
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Morality is not relative; that is a liberal view and a lie. Nature has many abnormalities, but abnormal behavior is not natural. Heterosexuals that behave like queers during sex are also unhealthy; that does not make queer sex healthy. Also, queers are more likely to engage in sex with multiple partners in unhealthy situations.

That was easy to destroy your arguments in four sentences.

Prediction: you will troll by asking me to prove my assertions, even though you know that my arguments are true.
 
bub said:
It's the society as a whole that decides of what is normal and what is not. Normality is a social construction, and a construction that changes over time.

In 1950 it was "normal" that black people were second class citizen. In 1900 it was "normal" that women did not have the right to vote. In 1850 it was "normal" that black people could be slaves.

In 2010 these things are not "normal" anymore. In 2010 it is normal that black men are equal to white men. It is normal that women are equal to men. And it is normal that homosexuals are equal to heterosexuals.



Same as normality



What do you call "natural"? If it is "what happens in nature", then homosexuality is natural since there are homosexual people.



What is not healthy in homosexuality? Is it anal sex? Then do you also forbid anal sex among heterosexuals? And what is not healthy in it anyways?

And if you're worried about what is unhealthy, do you support bans on cigarettes and fast food?
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Normal is a simple statistical relationship: what most people do.
Morality is fixed in time regardless of your rejection of it.
The anus is not designed for sex and that type of intercourse is unhealthy.
I don't support a ban on anything, just don't tell children that something is healthy when its not.
 
Morality is not relative; that is a liberal view and a lie.
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I can't believe you just asserted that morality is absolute.
What on earth would cause you to make such an absurd statement?
 
Southern Man said:
The Bible.
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The Bible is, itself, inherently absurd, in the view of many.
We do not legislate based on the Bible, as it informs only one belief system among many.
Bible-based legislation is inherently un-American, and will not stand, even if passed.
 
1069 said:
The Bible is, itself, inherently absurd, in the view of many.
We do not legislate based on the Bible, as it informs only one belief system among many.
Bible-based legislation is inherently un-American, and will not stand, even if passed.
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We do not legislate morality. All I ask is don't lie about it.
 
Southern Man said:
Morality is not relative; that is a liberal view and a lie.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
yes they infact are there is no denying this, to deny it shows pure ignorance of reality

Southern Man said:
Nature has many abnormalities, but abnormal behavior is not natural.
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so this is all you got, so i guess anything that is abnormal we should band, all you lefties out there listen up you are no longer allowed to marry or drive or vote because you are abnormal LOL

Southern Man said:
Heterosexuals that behave like queers during sex are also unhealthy; that does not make queer sex healthy.
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ALL sex can be deemed unhealthy, ALL sex LMAO next

Southern Man said:
Also, queers are more likely to engage in sex with multiple partners in unhealthy situations.
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they are? do you think that would change or not if they werent discriminated against?
males 16 to 35 are also likely to have sex with muiltiple partners in unhealthy situations more than some others, guess there should be no sex untill you are 36 LOL

Southern Man said:
That was easy to destroy your arguments in four sentences.
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problem is, that in reality you destroyed nothing and didnt refute his post in anyway has all your reasonings are easily shot down and exposed to have full of holes :)

Southern Man said:
Prediction: you will troll by asking me to prove my assertions, even though you know that my arguments are true.
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dont need proof that a lie is a lie and that its not true when the facts are right here starring you in the face ;)

lets check the counter!

GOOD REASONS TO STOP IT: 0
 
Southern Man said:
Morality is not relative; that is a liberal view and a lie.
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Wrong answer. Of course it is relative. The fact that you and I have differernt morals prove that.
Debinked again, as usual.

Nature has many abnormalities, but abnormal behavior is not natural.
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Wrong answer. Appeal to nature logical fallacy. You assume that something that is not natural is bad. Value jiudgements are valueless when trying to prove your position.
Debunked again, as usual.

Heterosexuals that behave like queers during sex are also unhealthy; that does not make queer sex healthy.
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Wrong answer. You obvilously do not understand anything about sexuality. unsafe sex is not about the practice but about precautions taken in regards to the practice.
Debunked again, as usual.

Also, queers are more likely to engage in sex with multiple partners in unhealthy situations.
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Wrong answer, but I'll give you a chance. Show some stats with links to support your position.

That was easy to destroy your arguments in four sentences.
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Except you didn't. You just continued to demonstrate that you are ignorant on this topic. Tell us, Southern Man, how does it feel to get pwned each and every time you try to discuss this issue? Never seen you make an accurate statement, or back up one of your assertions.

Prediction: you will troll by asking me to prove my assertions, even though you know that my arguments are true.
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Your arguments have no merit as they never do. You have only proven that you will continue to hold on to your erroneous positions regardless of what facts are thrown at you. You constant present positions that are nothing more than debunked and erroneous comments. So, since you seem to be doing that again, it is quite obvious who the troll here is: YOU.
 
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Southern Man said:
We do not legislate morality. All I ask is don't lie about it.
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Then I would suggest that you start learning about some facts, because all you are doing is lying.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Problem is when they attempt to pass these morals on as facts, which they are not, and which they do not seem to understand is a laughable and ridiculous way to present anything.
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If all morality is composed of opinion, what is the advantage of treating one's own opinions of morality as anything but fact? Subjective or not, morality is essential to civilized society and the law must exist to enforce these subjective opinions. The only way to effectively attack another person's moral beliefs is to appeal to other, shared, moral beliefs and hope to expose an inconsistency.
 
Centrist77 said:
Still trying huh, i love it!
How much denial could you possible have? You seem to REALLY believe it LMAO
Sorry the fact that marriage excisits to only certian groupd and gays are discriminated against the OP still clearly stands has ever reason so far has been found to be:

unsound
unreasonable
discriminative
illogical
bias
selfish
arrogant
hypercritical
and/or anti-american

Let me know when you have something on topic ill be waiting :laughat:
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My argument did not fail any of your criteria and you have yet to demonstrate otherwise. Lets look at them one at a time:

unsound - an unsound argument draws a conclusion from false premises. Here are my premises:

Premise 1: The law should not recognize privileges that are not available to everyone. (note that you have already agreed with this premise)
Premise 2: A marriage license is legal recognition of privileges that are only available to married individuals.
Premise 3: Not everyone is a married individual

Since you have already admitted to the truth of premise 1, demonstrate that premises 2 or 3 are false, or admit that the argument is sound.

unreasonable - an unreasonable argument is one that does not use reason. My argument is reasoned syllogistically, with premises that can be either true or false, and a conclusion that is drawn necessarily as a result of the premises being true. Demonstrate otherwise or admit that the argument is reasonable.

discriminative - My argument is predicated on the premise that the law should not recognize privileges that are not available to everyone. It is therefore not discriminative. Demonstrate how preventing the law from recognizing privileges that are not available to everyone is discriminative, or admit that the argument is non-discriminating.

illogical - an illogical argument is one that does not use logic. My argument is reasoned syllogistically, with premises that can be either true or false, and a conclusion that is drawn necessarily as a result of the premises being true. Demonstrate otherwise or admit that it is logical.

bias - A biased argument lends weight to an opinion based on personal benefit from a desired outcome. Both of the premises that you have yet to agree with are statements of fact, rather than opinions.
Premise 2: A marriage license is legal recognition of privileges that are only available to married individuals.
Premise 3: Not everyone is a married individual

As they are not expressed opinions, they cannot be biased. They are either factually correct, or incorrect. Demonstrate otherwise or admit that the argument is unbiased.

selfish - My argument is a series of premises, and a conclusion drawn logically from those premises. The only premise containing an opinion is the one you already agreed with. The other two are assertions of fact. They are either correct or incorrect. They cannot be selfish any more than any other statement of fact. Saying that 1+1 = 2 is not selfish, because it is simply a statement of fact. Demonstrate how stating facts and drawing conclusions from them is selfish, or admit that the argument is not selfish.

arrogant - A series of premises followed by a conclusion drawn from those premises is not a consciousness of any kind and therefore cannot be arrogant. I might be arrogant, but I am not the argument under discussion. Demonstrate otherwise, or admit that the argument is not arrogant.

hypercritical - A hypercritical argument makes a critique that exceeds standardized criteria to be met. For example if a flight student must maintain altitude within 50 feet, and is then criticized for not maintaining altitude within 10 feet, the instructor is being hypercritical. Demonstrate the standards and how they are exceeded, or admit that the argument is not hypercritical.

and/or anti-american - My argument makes no mention of America one way or the other. Demonstrate otherwise or admit that it is not anti-american.
 
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