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Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

Should the U.S. have a national identity card?

  • Yes, it makes perfect sense. Screening for legal residence could be done with other police stops

    Votes: 8 25.8%

  • They already make you show ID and proof of insurance, it might be okay

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • As long as minorities aren't specifically targeted, it's fine

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • I don't like the idea, it makes me uncomfortable

    Votes: 4 12.9%

  • Sounds like police state tactics to me.

    Votes: 13 41.9%

  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • Total voters
    31
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There's a lot of talk, especially with the Arizona controversy, about illegal immigration and enforcement of immigration laws, and how to do so without targeting people of Hispanic appearance.

One solution would be a national identity card. If every person stopped by the police had one, and was required to show it, then legal residence in the U.S. could be verified with a simple traffic stop, or domestic violence police call.

Suspects are already required to give ID, why not have people be required to have a National ID card?

What do you think?
 
If they have a state ID of some kind, why would that not be enough to prove that they have legal residence in the U.S.?
 
Orion said:
If they have a state ID of some kind, why would that not be enough to prove that they have legal residence in the U.S.?
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People show their drivers license, that doesn't guarantee legal residence.

I feel that, as long as they're stopping someone, are checking their insurance, their driver license, running a check on it, then why not use that opportunity to check to see if they're legally in the country? What's the big deal? With computers it should be easy.

That would be a way to get illegals who are most likely the problem people anyways. Checking the national ID card would be something done on everyone who is stopped, no matter how they look, or if they have an accent or not. After all, Canadians don't have an accent.

Or else, keep it the way it is and do nothing.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
If every person stopped by the police had one, and was required to show it
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Papers....papers please.


No thank you. We don't need a national ID, the government already has all the information it needs. And we shouldn't be requiring the national ID to be carried at all times and presented to an officer if questioned. No way no how. I'll take illegal immigration over that fascist nonsense any day of the week.
 
I say no, we should not have national ID. A national ID will not stop scum from hiring illegals regardless if there was a law that said you can not hire someone without a national ID especially seeing how there is already a law saying you can't hire illegals. I think letting the the government mandate a national ID is giving them another inch in which they will use to take a mile. A national ID is just giving the government another inch under the guise of a fake band-aid for the illegal immigration situation. I do not want fake bands aid, I want enforcement of our illegal immigration laws.
 
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Ikari said:
Papers....papers please.


No thank you. We don't need a national ID, the government already has all the information it needs. And we shouldn't be requiring the national ID to be carried at all times and presented to an officer if questioned. No way no how. I'll take illegal immigration over that fascist nonsense any day of the week.
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The police are already allowed to demand an ID card, what's the difference? This would be specifically aimed at proving legal residence. Why is that any different than proving that you are licensed to drive, fish, hunt, or any of a number of other things.
 
It does not trigger bad feelings for me, but I do see it as an unnecessary feature.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
The police are already allowed to demand an ID card, what's the difference? This would be specifically aimed at proving legal residence. Why is that any different than proving that you are licensed to drive, fish, hunt, or any of a number of other things.
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This generalizes it. I have to be driving to have my drivers license demanded. I have to be fishing to be demanded to show fishing license. If I'm walking down the street, a cop currently can't demand that I ID myself. It's already bad enough the way things are, there is no reason to go about making it worse. Not another form of ID, we have enough. Not another law allowing cops to demand ID at their discretion. We're done. We should be removing laws, not making more.
 
Ikari said:
This generalizes it. I have to be driving to have my drivers license demanded. I have to be fishing to be demanded to show fishing license. If I'm walking down the street, a cop currently can't demand that I ID myself. It's already bad enough the way things are, there is no reason to go about making it worse. Not another form of ID, we have enough. Not another law allowing cops to demand ID at their discretion. We're done. We should be removing laws, not making more.
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No, they would only be allowed to demand ID if they have a legitimate reason to stop you, such investigating a crime, you're speeding, your dog bit someone.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
No, they would only be allowed to demand ID if they have a legitimate reason to stop you, such investigating a crime, you're speeding, your dog bit someone.
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That's the same language they would use to try and sell it to the public if they ever tried to implement this type of law because they know how ridiculous it is. There's still going to be many cases where officers will go after those who they feel are suspicious and don't belong here and came here illegally. It's just not right, It's gives the police way too much power over the people to do something like that.
 
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I guess the question is: Why do we need it? I can't think of any reason.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
No, they would only be allowed to demand ID if they have a legitimate reason to stop you, such investigating a crime, you're speeding, your dog bit someone.
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You mean like in Arizona?

I don't ****ing think so.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
The police are already allowed to demand an ID card, what's the difference? This would be specifically aimed at proving legal residence. Why is that any different than proving that you are licensed to drive, fish, hunt, or any of a number of other things.
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My state already requires that you prove your legal status in order to get a driver's license, ID, food permit and etc. So we do not need a national ID.
 
I have no problem with a National I.D. card.
I could have a problem with what they might have on the I.D.Card.
A Photograph, Fingerprints, Nationality, Blood Type and any allergy's would be ok.
I include nationality as there are folk who are in the USA quite legally but who are not and never intend to become Americans.
 
One reason I'm not necessarily for the illegal immigration act in Arizona is because it sounds like they will only require people who LOOK illegal to show papers or an ID.

I'd rather they asked EVERYONE, no matter their ethnicity. That gets rid of the profiling issue.

As far as a national ID card, I wouldn't be against it. Yes, we have state ID cards... but how could a police office from, say Arizona be able to tell if a Drivers License from Florida is valid? Especially if they haven't seen one before.
 
A simple tattoo on our forearm, or a bar code on the back of our heads should do nicely.---I was born a Free Person. I don't belong to anyone. I need no proof of my existence. If that is not good enough, then how about kissin it where the sun don't shine. :cool:
 
Jucon said:
"E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES."

"Probable cause" sounds too broad to me.
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That does sound too broad.
 
National ID cards are a sensible policy that should have been implemented years ago.
 
No. I have enough government in my life. They already have a social security card, drivers license and if you can't drive state ID.

Hell no.
 
Jucon said:
"E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES."

"Probable cause" sounds too broad to me.
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IN other words there is nothing to support what you claim.
 
jamesrage said:
IN other words there is nothing to support what you claim.
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IN other words, you disagree and you dismiss my claim even though no one knows how this act will turn out. :roll: I'm not the only one thinking this act could lead to discrimination. You asked me a question and I answered with my honest opinion.
 
Jucon said:
IN other words, you disagree and you dismiss my claim even though no one knows how this act will turn out. :roll:
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Its not a matter of disagreeing with you.It is a fact that you have nothing to back up your claim they will only require people who LOOK illegal to show papers or an ID.
I'm not the only one thinking this act could lead to discrimination.
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Thinking and claiming are two different things. Basically you as well as most pro-illegals are claiming racial profiling even though it is plain as day in the bill that there is none. Is seriously doubt you people actually believe that the new Arizona anti-illegal immigration law supports racial profiling. Pro-illegals do not have a leg to stand on in the illegal immigration debate so they have to resort lies of racism and racial profiling and nazi comparisons.


You asked me a question and I answered with my honest opinion.
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Wouldn't honesty require telling the truth? How is it honest to basically repeat the same pro-Illegals lie of racial profiling?
 
jamesrage said:
Thinking and claiming are two different things. Basically you as well as most pro-illegals are claiming racial profiling even though it is plain as day in the bill that there is none. Is seriously doubt you people actually believe that the new Arizona anti-illegal immigration law supports racial profiling. Pro-illegals do not have a leg to stand on in the illegal immigration debate so they have to resort lies of racism and racial profiling and nazi comparisons.
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I have an idea... how about you profile me? Oh wait, you just did. :doh I'm not pro-illegal. I'm anti-discrimination... in this case, towards people who ARE in the country legally but look like, act like or sound like they are in the country illegally. Tell me, how do you tell an illegal from a legal resident? This is why I said the police should require EVERYONE to show proof of a legal status if they are stopped for a legitimate reason, even if they are most likely a legal citizens.



jamesrage said:
Wouldn't honesty require telling the truth? How is it honest to basically repeat the same pro-Illegals lie of racial profiling?
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:violin
 
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