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Do you think it is ok to enter a country illegally?

Do you think it is ok to enter a country illegally?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 18.4%

  • No

    Votes: 40 81.6%
  • Total voters
    49
mike2810

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With all of the statements regarding Arizona's latest bill to try and control the influx of illegals into Arizona/America. I though it would be interesting to take America out of the equation and simple ask.

Is it ok to entry another country, no matter what the reason, illegally? A simple Yes / No and Why?

I voted No!. No one has a right to enter into another country without permission and following that countries laws.
 
mike2810 said:
With all of the statements regarding Arizona's latest bill to try and control the influx of illegals into Arizona/America. I though it would be interesting to take America out of the equation and simple ask.

Is it ok to entry another country, no matter what the reason, illegally? A simple Yes / No and Why?

I voted No!. No one has a right to enter into another country without permission and following that countries laws.
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In the case of this question, the often-used phrase "It depends" is highly applicable.

There are a vast number of factors involved.

It is most definitely NOT a simple Yes / No question.

Edit: And, indeed, nothing is.
 
mike2810 said:
With all of the statements regarding Arizona's latest bill to try and control the influx of illegals into Arizona/America. I though it would be interesting to take America out of the equation and simple ask.

Is it ok to entry another country, no matter what the reason, illegally? A simple Yes / No and Why?

I voted No!. No one has a right to enter into another country without permission and following that countries laws.
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If I had to enter a country illegally in order to work for enough pay to feed, shelter, and clothe my family I wouldn't only enter a country illegally, I would do it continually and determinedly.
 
I voted yes! Why?

It is only ok if you do not get caught. ;) This argument applies for many laws in which harm has not been cast upon others.

Reason be, if it were really a priority, the federal government would police the borders with a bit more purpose.

Is it against the law to speed? Yes. Does it mean a person is wrong for speeding? Only if such speed has harmed another individual. Speeding in and of itself is not wrong.
 
I think it is ok if you are trying to escape persecution or imminent danger. Otherwise, no.

However, if I had to do it for me or my family to survive, I would.
 
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megaprogman said:
I think it is ok if you are trying to escape persecution or imminent danger. Otherwise, no.

However, if I had to do it for me or my family to survive, I would.
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What about on a different scale, as in if one country is at war with another?

Is it ok or not ok for one to invade the other?

It would depend on whose perspective you were viewing it from.
 
The Mark said:
In the case of this question, the often-used phrase "It depends" is highly applicable.

There are a vast number of factors involved.

It is most definitely NOT a simple Yes / No question.

Edit: And, indeed, nothing is.
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I have to disagree. If you are in this country illegally, you have shown, simply by that act, to not respect the laws of this country. I very much believe in the rule of law, and do not consider it "OK" to violate those laws for benefit to self.
 
Redress said:
I have to disagree. If you are in this country illegally, you have shown, simply by that act, to not respect the laws of this country. I very much believe in the rule of law, and do not consider it "OK" to violate those laws for benefit to self.
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Ah, but his question was: "Do you think it is ok to enter a country illegally?"

So he could be speaking of any number of things.

And thus, my response.
 
Idealistically, yes. The earth isn't bound by imaginary lines of separation.

Politically and lawfully, no, it's not ok.
 
The Mark said:
Ah, but his question was: "Do you think it is ok to enter a country illegally?"

So he could be speaking of any number of things.

And thus, my response.
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And it holds true for any country. If you cannot respect a countries laws, you should not be there, period. I am not black and white on many things, but this one is pretty cut and dry.
 
Illegally move to a country because I admire its adherance to law, order and the integrity of its courts? Hmm, seems like I'd be undercutting myself there.
 
Redress said:
And it holds true for any country. If you cannot respect a countries laws, you should not be there, period. I am not black and white on many things, but this one is pretty cut and dry.
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So, in a hypothetical situation, suppose country A has laws that greatly restrict immigration, and those laws are strictly enforced.

At the same time, country A has a policy of killing all persons of Asian heritage it can get its hands on.

Due to the policy of country A, country B, which is predominantly composed of persons with Asian heritage, decides that it should go to war with country A, as country A is a threat to a large portion of its populous.
Not to mention, country A’s obvious and blatantly apparent genocidal tendencies.

If country B proceeds to invade country A, obviously violating its immigration laws, would you be against such?
 
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Do you think it is ok to enter a country illegally?

It's just as "OK" to come here illegally as it is "OK" to hire someone that's here illegally. Many of these so-called "illegals" were invited here and promised a job if they came. Who committed the biggest crime? a US citizen that knew it was illegal to hire and exploit cheap undocumented labor, or the laborer that may not have even known he was breaking our laws. Most of these workers came here while the Bush administration was giving a wink and a node to employers that knew they would not have to face any concequences for hiring illegals. They were running adds in Mexico for workers to come. If we just control the crimes commited by our citizens, the workers would have no choice but to go back home. But that's too easy for republicans. They want to put the monkey on the worker's back and blame it on boarder security. Jut more stink caused by the republicans that now hold their noses and point to someone else.
 
The Mark said:
So, in a hypothetical situation, suppose country A has laws that greatly restrict immigration, and those laws are strictly enforced.

At the same time, country A has a policy of killing all persons of Asian heritage it can get its hands on.

Due to the policy of country A, country B, which is predominantly composed of persons with Asian heritage, decides that it should go to war with country A, as country A is a threat to a large portion of its populous.
Not to mention, country A’s obvious and blatantly apparent genocidal tendencies.

If country B proceeds to invade country A, obviously violating its immigration laws, would you be against such?
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I don't play stupid, way out hypotheticals. Under 99.9999999 % of situations, being in a country illegally is not OK. Period.
 
what about as refugees, in Australia, we have a problem with middle eastern and Tamil refugees arriving illegally by boat from Indonesia to seek asylum, is it OK for them to enter our territory illegally to seek refuge?
 
Redress said:
And it holds true for any country. If you cannot respect a countries laws, you should not be there, period. I am not black and white on many things, but this one is pretty cut and dry.
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Okay, so if your people were being targeted for genocide, you would just die rather then illegally enter a neighboring country to escape the genocidal maniacs trying to kill you?

That's basically what you're telling me.

You do realize that a large percentage of refugees across the planet are illegals fleeing from war no? Nations generally don't prosecute or send them back for such reasons.
 
Genocide: basically, if there are no countries that will take you, then it sucks to be you. How often does that happen where no other country will take refugees fleeing genocide?
 
I don't see anything morally wrong with entering a foreign country illegally. However, doing so does not obligate the foreign government to you in any fashion-- and it would be well within its prerogatives to jail you, deport you, or even execute you for violating its territory.

It's up to each country to decide for itself how it wishes to handle refugees and immigrants, and to enforce its own policies.
 
Mostly with Mega here if we're taking the OP at face value and not trying to play ignorant and expand it beyond what he seemingly is obviously speaking about.

If we're going with the broad stroke statement then of course "it depends" is the answer. However, if we're going off that there's really no REAL discussion to be had aside from arguing with those who are taking it for its seeming implication rather than a broad literalistic reading.

"Okay" as in legally? Well no, the very notion of it being entering "illegally" means its not okay from a legal sense.

From a moral sense? Even in the more implied reading of the question that is up in the air. That said, something can be morally right but legally wrong and that doesn't mean either is incorrect. Sometimes the law must act without emotion so as to put a measure of fairness and consistancy above all.
 
by Graham Nash

There I was at the immigration scene
Shining and feeling clean
Could it be a sin?
I got stopped by the immigration man
He says he doesn't know if he can
Let me in-let me in-immigration man
Can I cross the line and pray
I can stay another day
Let me in immigration man
I won't toe your line today
I can't see it anyway

There he was with his immigration face
Giving me a paper chase
But the sun was coming
Cos all at once he looked into my space
And stamped a number over my face
And he sent me running
Let me in-let me in-immigration man
Can I cross the line and pray
I can stay another day
Let me in immigration man
I won't toe your line today
I can't see it anyway

Here I am with my immigration form
It's big enough to keep me warm
When a cold wind's coming
So go where you will
So long as you think you can
You'd better watch out-watch out-for the man
Anywhere you're going.

Won't you let me in immigration man
Can I cross your line and pray
Take your fingers from the tray
Let me in-irritation man
I won't toe your line today
I can't see it anyway.
 
The Police

One world is enough
For all of us
One world is enough
For all of us

It’s a subject we rarely mention
But when we do we have this little invention
By pretending they’re a different world from me
I show my responsibility

One world is enough
For all of us
One world is enough
For all of us

The third world breathes our air tomorrow
We live on the time we borrow
In our world there’s no time for sorrow
In their world there is no tomorrow

One world is enough
For all of us
One world is enough
For all of us

Lines are drawn upon the world
Before we get our flags unfurled
Whichever one we pick
It’s just a self deluding trick

One world is enough
For all of us
One world is enough
For all of us

I don’t want to bring a sour note
Remember this before you vote
We can all sink or we all float
’cos we’re all in the same big boat

One world is enough
For all of us

It may seem a million miles away
But it gets a little closer everyday

One world...
 
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spud_meister said:
what about as refugees, in Australia, we have a problem with middle eastern and Tamil refugees arriving illegally by boat from Indonesia to seek asylum, is it OK for them to enter our territory illegally to seek refuge?
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I think it is. However, I think they should either agree to learn the common language and productively integrate into society within a certain time frame or go back. It sucks for them to come from that situation but they also cannot be allowed to negatively affect their new host country.

If their new home is gracious enough to allow them in, they should honor that by being good members of that society.
 
I cannot find moral fault with someone who must enter illegally in order to feed himself and his family. I would do the same. And provided he is not violating the life, liberty or property of innocent people I take no issue with him being here regardless of legal status. Although he is technically a criminal per the law, I don't personally view it that way.
 
megaprogman said:
I think it is ok if you are trying to escape persecution or imminent danger. Otherwise, no.

However, if I had to do it for me or my family to survive, I would.
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I don't fault people for wanting a better life, especially seeking political refuge. However it still isn't exactly okay to violate the sanctity of another country's borders. Understandable? Yes. Forgivable under certain circumstances? Sure. Right?........no.
 
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