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Do you think it is ok to enter a country illegally?

Do you think it is ok to enter a country illegally?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 18.4%

  • No

    Votes: 40 81.6%
  • Total voters
    49
LaMidRighter said:
I don't fault people for wanting a better life, especially seeking political refuge. However it still isn't exactly okay to violate the sanctity of another country's borders. Understandable? Yes. Forgivable under certain circumstances? Sure. Right?........no.
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It is a matter of priorities. I hold my personal and familial survival to be more important than a country's laws.
 
megaprogman said:
It is a matter of priorities. I hold my personal and familial survival to be more important than a country's laws.
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Most people do. To an extent that isn't a problem, but when you get an influx of everyone doing that it becomes a strain on another country's resources and political systems and becomes a problem, so it isn't exactly right, although it is understandable.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Most people do. To an extent that isn't a problem, but when you get an influx of everyone doing that it becomes a strain on another country's resources and political systems and becomes a problem, so it isn't exactly right, although it is understandable.
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I agree. But if the circumstance is so dire that a person has to become a refugee, than there already is a problem.
 
megaprogman said:
It is a matter of priorities. I hold my personal and familial survival to be more important than a country's laws.
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That is not the case with the vast, vast majority of people who immigrate illegally. Most of those in that situation do have legal options, but they are not as quick or easy. I would guess that 99 + % of those in this country illegally are here for convenience over necessity for life.
 
Redress said:
That is not the case with the vast, vast majority of people who immigrate illegally. Most of those in that situation do have legal options, but they are not as quick or easy. I would guess that 99 + % of those in this country illegally are here for convenience over necessity for life.
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I believe that is a poor reason to immigrate illegally.
 
If you are entering a country illegally, it is safe to say you are leaving yours illegally. Historical examples show us that mass migrations from one country to another usually happen because the conditions one lives in are not that great. East Germany, North Korea, El Salvador, Haiti, Puerto Rico etc.

With that said, If my daughter was hungry and I worked like a slave but at the end of the day had no money to feed her properly while next door there were people who refused to get jobs because they didn't pay $15 an hour? Yes - it would more than o.k. to enter a country illegally.
 
Redress said:
That is not the case with the vast, vast majority of people who immigrate illegally. Most of those in that situation do have legal options, but they are not as quick or easy.
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Legal options? Like get one of the very few work visas they give hispanics after waiting forever and having to pay money you don't have? All while trying to figure out how to feed your family in the meantime? That's why I don't mind them coming over. I would too.
 
No it's not okay. - Illegally - is the defining word.
 
Tashah said:
No it's not okay. - Illegally - is the defining word.
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That would be true if legal and moral had any real relationship. But since they don't.....
 
Of course this so-called "illegal entry" is OK, IF its done for the warfare of ones family.
I note that, as usual, I am in the minority.
Do we need immigration reform ?
Yes, even the Party of NO agrees here..
Something should have been done 50 years ago...
Now, there is no practical recourse other than granting citizenship to at least 90 to 99% of the "illegals".
 
It is not OK. It is also not Ok to sneak into the Movies, or under the Circus tent. People need to get in line at the gate, and do things by the numbers. It serves no one, if people cut in line, or sneak over the back fence. Just shows general disrespect, and:cool: bad form.
 
Skateguy said:
It is not OK. It is also not Ok to sneak into the Movies, or under the Circus tent.
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Because those are stealing. Duh. If people are crossing the border to steal then I oppose it.
 
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stekim said:
Legal options? Like get one of the very few work visas they give hispanics after waiting forever and having to pay money you don't have? All while trying to figure out how to feed your family in the meantime? That's why I don't mind them coming over. I would too.
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So you are saying that the illegal immigrants here would die if they had not come here? You can show some proof of this claim?
 
It's never okay.

I would only do it if my life was in jeopardy and I had no other option. But I would seek to rectify the "illegal" part immediately. Especially since the US has asylum provisions.
 
Redress said:
So you are saying that the illegal immigrants here would die if they had not come here? You can show some proof of this claim?
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I didn't say they would die. Well actually everyone dies, so yes they would. But they'll die here, too.

Regardless, if I have to struggle to make sure my family has enough food and just a few miles away there is plenty of food and work, I'm hopping the fence. So it's illegal. Who cares? Send me back and I'll hop the fence again.

It would be hypocritical of me to find fault because A) I would do it, and B) As a libertarian I don't believe a crime was committed merely by walking a few feet. Just because someone commits a "crime" does not mean I personally take issue with it.
 
stekim said:
I didn't say they would die. Well actually everyone dies, so yes they would. But they'll die here, too.

Regardless, if I have to struggle to make sure my family has enough food and just a few miles away there is plenty of food and work, I'm hopping the fence. So it's illegal. Who cares? Send me back and I'll hop the fence again.
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SO the illegals in this country would starve if they did not come here? You got something to back that up? Or is it just convenience. It's easier in the other country, so why do things legally since it might be hard?

It would be hypocritical of me to find fault because A) I would do it, and B) As a libertarian I don't believe a crime was committed merely by walking a few feet. Just because someone commits a "crime" does not mean I personally take issue with it.
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You don't have to believe in laws for them to be real.
 
rivrrat said:
It's never okay.

I would only do it if my life was in jeopardy and I had no other option. But I would seek to rectify the "illegal" part immediately. Especially since the US has asylum provisions.
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Well, "asylum" is not all that easy. And it's tough as a Mexican to rectify immigration law in America! Hell, you actually live in America and you have next to no impact on it. So depending upon my situation I simply would not care about the law. I need work and I need it now and someone is over a fence offering it to me. So I'm there.
 
Redress said:
SO the illegals in this country would starve if they did not come here?
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Didn't say that either. Please read my posts before you respond. I am at work you know. There is little need to invent things to debate. It's a waste of time.

You don't have to believe in laws for them to be real.
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There you go again. Twice in one post. You truly have a gift. When did I say I didn't believe the law exists or that's it's not real? I merely said I don't care and it's not an issue for me if someone breaks it.
 
stekim said:
Well, "asylum" is not all that easy. And it's tough as a Mexican to rectify immigration law in America! Hell, you actually live in America and you have next to no impact on it. So depending upon my situation I simply would not care about the law. I need work and I need it now and someone is over a fence offering it to me. So I'm there.
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I'm not talking about rectifying the law. I'm talking about rectifying my illegal status. I wouldn't hide in the shadows and steal and defraud the citizens of the country I ran to for help. That's just rude.
 
rivrrat said:
I'm not talking about rectifying the law. I'm talking about rectifying my illegal status.
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Got it. It's not that easy. It takes time and money and few visas are granted. I would try the legal route, too. But if it did not work it would not stop me.

I wouldn't hide in the shadows and steal and defraud the citizens of the country I ran to for help. That's just rude.
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I agree. Good thing very few of them are doing that! They are not in the shadows because I see them everyday. And they are not defrauding people. They work. People pay them. Everyone is happy.
 
The Mark said:
So, in a hypothetical situation, suppose country A has laws that greatly restrict immigration, and those laws are strictly enforced.

At the same time, country A has a policy of killing all persons of Asian heritage it can get its hands on.

Due to the policy of country A, country B, which is predominantly composed of persons with Asian heritage, decides that it should go to war with country A, as country A is a threat to a large portion of its populous.
Not to mention, country A’s obvious and blatantly apparent genocidal tendencies.

If country B proceeds to invade country A, obviously violating its immigration laws, would you be against such?
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Please explain what immigration laws have to do with the above scenario.
 
stekim said:
Didn't say that either. Please read my posts before you respond. I am at work you know. There is little need to invent things to debate. It's a waste of time.
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Apparently the concept of asking questions is over your head. The question mark at the end of the sentence you quoted denotes a question, as in I am asking if that is what you are saying. Let me try it another way, since you diucked the question. Is it life or death, or is it convenience that most illegals are in this country?

There you go again. Twice in one post. You truly have a gift. When did I say I didn't believe the law exists or that's it's not real? I merely said I don't care and it's not an issue for me if someone breaks it.
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You said it right here:

As a libertarian I don't believe a crime was committed merely by walking a few feet
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Just because you don't believe it's a crime does not make it so.
 
stekim said:
Got it. It's not that easy. It takes time and money and few visas are granted. I would try the legal route, too. But if it did not work it would not stop me.
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Well, a million a year are granted. That's hardly a 'few'. And, I said I would only enter a country illegally if my life was in danger. In which case, I would be afforded protection by the US government if I could show that my life was in danger. There would be absolutely no other reason I would enter a country illegally.

I agree. Good thing very few of them are doing that! They are not in the shadows because I see them everyday. And they are not defrauding people. They work. People pay them. Everyone is happy.
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Yeah, they don't steal SS numbers, get paid under the table, get treatment at hospitals that the rest of us have to pay for. Nothing like that at all. :roll:
 
With regards to Mexicans coming in here, I don't mind as long as they do two things: pay taxes and speak English.

If you're an uneducated American laborer who's whining because some Mexican will do a better job at a fraction of the cost, tough luck on you. Jobs aren't a right, nor are they an entitlement.
 
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