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Does hard work always lead to a higher income

Does hard work always lead to a higher income?

  • yes

    Votes: 3 4.2%

  • no

    Votes: 68 95.8%
  • Total voters
    71
NoJingoLingo said:
Yes, business likes to treat people like objects to be bought and sold for the lowest bid.
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Pretty much. And your option is to not work for them if you don't want to. It's not like people treat businesses any better! Funny, when people leave one job for a higher paying one no one complains about that.
 
stekim said:
Pretty much. And your option is to not work for them if you don't want to. It's not like people treat businesses any better! Funny, when people leave one job for a higher paying one no one complains about that.
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That's because of the way business already treats it's employees.
 
Baralis said:
Its not simply being to lazy to work harder. Its aspiring to be something more. I could work 5x timer harder digging ditches then anyone else but in the end I would still be a ditch digger.
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But you wouldn't call a dictch digger who digs 5x as much "lazy."

Lots of people have stories of parents who worked hard in low-paying jobs like this to make their children's lives better. Usually we honor them. Often we understand that they had no chance to aspire to be more, though they gave their kids that opportunity.
 
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misterman said:
But you wouldn't call a dictch digger who digs 5x as much "lazy."

Lots of people have stories of parents who worked hard in low-paying jobs like this to make their children's lives better. Usually we honor them. Often we understand that they had no chance to aspire to be more, though they gave their kids that opportunity.
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This cannot be true because if you don't constantly increase your employment position throughout your life then you are just lazy. :roll:
 
NoJingoLingo said:
This cannot be true because if you don't constantly increase your employment position throughout your life then you are just lazy. :roll:
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Oh yeah, forgot.
 
If you work so hard as to become irreplaceable at what you do, you'll never move up for that very reason.

It's the yes men that golf with the boss and let him win that have a bright future in the company.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
This cannot be true because if you don't constantly increase your employment position throughout your life then you are just lazy. :roll:
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That's extremely narrow minded and intolerant.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
So are you attempting to deny that there is a difference between natural abilities? You really want to argue that the only difference between Magic Johnson and YOU is that he worked harder at basketball than you?


Oh ok, so you're NOT going to deny the luck of having natural talent or not?


So you're going to deny differences in natural abilities?
I wish you could make up your mind.


"Not so much..."? So, you think a 6 year old has a say in what school he/she goes to or, to the 6 year old, is it luck based on their parents choices?


So you do admit there is luck involved... :confused:
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You appear to be misunderstanding my point, or else misconstruing it.

I acknowlege that what you call "luck" and I call "factors beyond your immediate control" plays a role.

I am pointing out that what you DO with the cards you're dealt has at least as much to do with how far you go, and that part of it IS up to you.
 
no. My older children work at fast food places. They work harder than most every single day and get paid less than most.
 
megaprogman said:
Does hard work always lead to a higher income?

The reason I ask this is that I see a lot of people assuming that people with a low income are lazy.
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I've had as many as a hundred men working for me at one time, and I've yet to meet one who was truly lazy. Sometimes when they stopped or just stood around doing nothing, it wasn't their fault. It was mine for not being specific enough, and they didn't want to show their ignorance. It was just that some needed more details than others.

Ricksfolly
 
Anytime this guy's beliefs are put into practice it certainly doesn't....

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Goshin said:
You appear to be misunderstanding my point, or else misconstruing it.

I acknowlege that what you call "luck" and I call "factors beyond your immediate control" plays a role.

I am pointing out that what you DO with the cards you're dealt has at least as much to do with how far you go, and that part of it IS up to you.
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OK, then I also disagree with your split. I believe luck has more to do with success than hard work.

"I'd rather have luck than skill anyday" - Gen Chuck Yeager

I concur!
 
ricksfolly said:
Pro sport owners treat their players like objects too, high paid objects... Some over $20 million and bonuses a year.

ricksfolly
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I wonder how those guys accomplished such a feat... Ya think collective bargaining had anything to do with it? :ssst:
 
NoJingoLingo said:
OK, then I also disagree with your split. I believe luck has more to do with success than hard work.

"I'd rather have luck than skill anyday" - Gen Chuck Yeager

I concur!
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Actually, you need both luck and skill and the passion to do anything worth while. You also have to be out there exposed to opportunities.

Success is more than just building a better mouse trap. You have to find an investor, package it, market it, and sell it. Been there, did that, and I still wasn't successful.

ricksfolly
 
ricksfolly said:
Actually, you need both luck and skill and the passion to do anything worth while. You also have to be out there exposed to opportunities.

Success is more than just building a better mouse trap. You have to find an investor, package it, market it, and sell it. Been there, did that, and I still wasn't successful.

ricksfolly
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Sounds pretty unlucky. :rofl
 
Success is more than just building a better mouse trap. You have to find an investor, package it, market it, and sell it. Been there, did that, and I still wasn't successful.

ricksfolly

Sounds pretty unlucky. >>

Yeah, sure, but I at least tried...

ricksfolly
 
It would be a terrible world if those who worked hardest where the most successful.
 
Kali said:
What is so messed up? The hardest jobs seem to pay the less:(
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Engineering, medicine, law, etc. are far harder than any job which pays crap.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
OK, then I also disagree with your split. I believe luck has more to do with success than hard work.

"I'd rather have luck than skill anyday" - Gen Chuck Yeager

I concur!
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I disagree.

In my experience I've met far more people who began with native talent, than those who ended with success. From what I've seen the difference lay in seeking to reach the pinnacle of one's potential, maximizing strengths and strengthening weaknesses, hard work, the courage to seek opportunities... and various other things that were more a matter of choice and action that of luck.

Obviously we aren't going to see eye to eye here.
 
In a sense what I am really asking is that is everyone that is poor in that situation because they are lazy?
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This may come as a surprise to you but that's not what your poll was.

Even then, the word "everyone" makes it just as pointless. Use better wording, with more options, and you'll likely get more of the information you're looking for.

All else equal, same job, same potential, yes, on average you are far more likely to obtain a higher income, via hard work. You can game the system by acting like you work hard, but it carries risk, and depends on co-workers/transparency. In generaly, yes, the harder you work all else equal, the more you make.

However, you can also work hard at planning your income path, and work less, and make more, than someone who didn't work hard at planning their income/career. Somehow hard work seems to keep popping up.
 
Mickey Shane said:
If you work so hard as to become irreplaceable at what you do, you'll never move up for that very reason.

It's the yes men that golf with the boss and let him win that have a bright future in the company.
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This is sad but true.
But I 'd think this would be changing, if the companies wish to be successful. And one should have the ability to play politics, its part of survival.
Hard work at the job also includes improving oneself....which I never really did, as an auto mechanic...
 
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