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Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

  • Ron Paul

    Votes: 67 55.8%

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 45 37.5%

  • Neither

    Votes: 8 6.7%
  • Total voters
    120
This is a tough one. I think Paul is the best republican out there along with his son right now. I either completely agree with him or I totally disagree with him. His foreign policy is his biggest strength the rest of what he stands for though I'm meh on. I respect him though he is incredibly sincere and has more courage politically than any senator right now. Oh I like his stance on the drug war too.
 
I put neither, I wouldnt vote for Obama and Ron Paul wouldnt be my choice as a replacement. I think hes a half a buck short of being dollar sane.
 
Look like Obama got spanked. :D
 
American said:
Look like Obama got spanked. :D
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If obama wins re election I will be stunned. I dont see how he can overcome whats in front of him and from his own party.
I read his supporters in san francisco were booing him...chanting wheres our change. I keep waiting for a democrat challenger to come into the picture
 
I support Ron Paul,although I do not agree with him on all issues. Ron Paul wants to dismantle the FED. He also in in favor of the Fair Tax. He has my vote.
 
votes so far

Dr Paul - 229
Obama - 52.

for serious?

how do you know he is even an American. have you seen his birth certificate?

:mrgreen:
 
givejonadollar said:
If the 2012 Election was today, and Ron Paul was the Republican candidate, would you vote him into office?

Or........

Would you re-elect Barack Obama?

Who would you vote for and why?
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Neither one
 
Here is my thing I question the validity of this poll first off especially because of the response from several of the conservatives here. I have not voted on the poll. I think if you look at scientific polling though the average American not only doesn't trust Obama they dont trust the GOP just as much. There is a huge distrust in politicans from all sides and Americans from all walks of life seem to want the same thing; they want to sacrifice nothing and think the government should just be this magical machine that solves all of our problems in a few months. While I do believe our leaders are all a bunch of asses and need to get their **** together we all need to look at what JFK said and take that to heart as well.
 
JohnWOlin said:
Here is my thing I question the validity of this poll first off especially because of the response from several of the conservatives here. I have not voted on the poll. I think if you look at scientific polling though the average American not only doesn't trust Obama they dont trust the GOP just as much. There is a huge distrust in politicans from all sides and Americans from all walks of life seem to want the same thing; they want to sacrifice nothing and think the government should just be this magical machine that solves all of our problems in a few months. While I do believe our leaders are all a bunch of asses and need to get their **** together we all need to look at what JFK said and take that to heart as well.
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This forum has a history of phantom votes for conservative outcomes. Its no biggie.
 
Not to mention, as shown in 2008, Paul does exceptionally better in online polls than he does in something like a telephone poll or at the ballet box. Pauls largest and most devoted supporters generally fall within that 20-30 range that are far more technologically savy and active than those older, and his older supporters generally seem more tech knowledgable than others in their age. Paul's "netroots" campaign in 2008 was outstanding and one that I think would behoove other candidates to study for the future and the way in which you can potentially leverage social media and the tools of the internet. However, the issue was that it didn't translate exceedingly well to the real world.

My position on this is as it was almost a year ago. I'd vote for Paul in this, hands down. However I would not want to see a situation come up where its Paul vs Obama because I'd say with near certainty that I'd believe Obama would win that race. The ONLY reason I'd want to see it is if the Republicans were pretty sure no one was going to win and it was used simply as a means of shifting the focus of the Republican Party more in line with what Paul stands for. Unfortunantly, in reality, I think it would do nothing but be used as a way for establishment Republicans to go "See, see! That kind of conservatism isn't viable. We need to focus on social wedge issues and/or completely moderate view points".
 
I'd vote Obama, simply because he is democrat. But if Obama wasn't running, I'd defiantly vote for Ron Paul.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Paul argues using factual information, while Obama uses emotive pleasantries.
He spanked McCain, Rudy and Hannity.
Obama would be a cake walk.
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I think who won those debates were definately up for discussion, but Obama also beat McCain, Hillary, and Edwards. And besides, it doesn't matter who cites the more sources, its who makes the best impression on the voters.
 
the makeout hobo said:
I think who won those debates were definately up for discussion, but Obama also beat McCain, Hillary, and Edwards.
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True.

the makeout hobo said:
And besides, it doesn't matter who cites the more sources, its who makes the best impression on the voters.
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What?!?
Are you kidding me?

Winners of debates make the best arguments based on factual, sourced information.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
True.



What?!?
Are you kidding me?

Winners of debates make the best arguments based on factual, sourced information.
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If you're in Mr. O'Connor's high school debate class maybe. We're talking about presidential debates.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
That's the whole point though.
You're supposed to win using the best argument with facts.

Winning the voters is meaningless, if the voters are wrong.
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That's how it is supposed to be, yes. However, in this day and age of canned "debates" and stump speeches, it doesn't quite work the way it should. People are less likely to logically think about a problem and more likely to emotionally react. The winner of the debate is the one who wins the most votes. You'd like that to be correlated to the quality of the speech and the information presented; but it's not how it really goes right now. It's one reason why the system is starting to fail. When people stop voting on political platform and move to more partisan and emotional responses; the system begins to break down.
 
Ikari said:
That's how it is supposed to be, yes. However, in this day and age of canned "debates" and stump speeches, it doesn't quite work the way it should. People are less likely to logically think about a problem and more likely to emotionally react. The winner of the debate is the one who wins the most votes. You'd like that to be correlated to the quality of the speech and the information presented; but it's not how it really goes right now. It's one reason why the system is starting to fail. When people stop voting on political platform and move to more partisan and emotional responses; the system begins to break down.
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sadly, I think you're right.
 
hahaha exactly why we have this fascist tea party in seats
people just vote so sporadicly
i dont know what to expect


Harry Guerrilla said:
That's the whole point though.
You're supposed to win using the best argument with facts.

Winning the voters is meaningless, if the voters are wrong.
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lovelyLUDWIG said:
hahaha exactly why we have this fascist tea party in seats
people just vote so sporadicly
i dont know what to expect
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I wouldn't go so far as to call them fascist since they're not. But it does show some level of discontent voters towards the present make up and dynamics of our current government.
 
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