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Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

Should ALL citizens have to pay income taxes?

  • No, only those who make over the "living wage"

    Votes: 24 35.3%

  • No, only those in the top 10%

    Votes: 3 4.4%

  • Yes, every working person should have to pay.

    Votes: 22 32.4%

  • Other (specify)

    Votes: 19 27.9%
  • Total voters
    68
molten_dragon said:
I say yes, just to make things more fair, but the rate for people who are living around the poverty line should be extremely low.
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That's the exact opposite of fair because those in poverty still receive the full benefit of being citizens.

If every citizen has to pay, then assuming everyone is equal per the 14th amendment, everyone should pay the exact same dollar amount. Progressive taxation is the embodiment of inequality.
 
Flea said:
It will motivate them to get a job. The money that they owe won't earn interest. They can pay it off over time.
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Im sorry I still dont see the value in burying people under MORE debt that they probably wont be able to pay off.
 
Gipper said:
I can't completely prescribe to the libertarian notion that there shouldn't be an income tax, but it should be greatly lower than what it is now.



No I won't. If you can't afford to even take care of yourself, it's at least negligent and borderline criminal to bring someone else into the world that depends on something you cannot give them.
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Did you pause to think a moment before hitting post? Doesn't look like it.

You are aware that there's this thing called divorce, right? That someone can suddenly find themselves with a couple of kids, no spouse and one income? And that it may not have been their idea?

BTW, $20k isn't exactly bonanza time even if you're only supporting yourself.


Engage brain before hitting "post" please.

:roll:
 
Goshin said:
Did you pause to think a moment before hitting post? Doesn't look like it.

You are aware that there's this thing called divorce, right? That someone can suddenly find themselves with a couple of kids, no spouse and one income? And that it may not have been their idea?

BTW, $20k isn't exactly bonanza time even if you're only supporting yourself.


Engage brain before hitting "post" please.

:roll:
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i think it's actually pretty funny.....for god's sake, don't abort that baby! but if you don't, you're on your own.
 
Goshin said:
Did you pause to think a moment before hitting post? Doesn't look like it.

You are aware that there's this thing called divorce, right? That someone can suddenly find themselves with a couple of kids, no spouse and one income? And that it may not have been their idea?

BTW, $20k isn't exactly bonanza time even if you're only supporting yourself.


Engage brain before hitting "post" please.

:roll:
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liblady said:
i think it's actually pretty funny.....for god's sake, don't abort that baby! but if you don't, you're on your own.
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One thing I have found rather strange

Massive generalization here mind you and far to simple really

Conservatives care about the unborn, but once it is born dont care if the baby dies due to lack of food or medical care

Liberals care about the born, wanting to ensure it has food and medical care to ensure its survival, but in are not too concerned about it untill it is born and dont mind if it is killed (abortion)
 
Mellie said:
What do you think? Should all [working] people who want to live in our country be required to pay income tax?
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Income itself should not be taxed. Now, if the government wants to place a tax per individual, then that tax should be equal across the board. Not the same percentage- the same amount per person. My reasoning for this is that no one citizen should benefit more or less than any other citizen. Taxes collected by the feds should be used for purposes equally valuable to all citizens. This would have a couple of good side effects imo. It would encourage people in the lower income brackets to improve their job skill levels in order to decrease the percentage of their income they are handing over to government, and it would discourage having more kids than one is willing to be taxed for.
 
lizzie said:
Income itself should not be taxed. Now, if the government wants to place a tax per individual, then that tax should be equal across the board. Not the same percentage- the same amount per person. My reasoning for this is that no one citizen should benefit more or less than any other citizen. Taxes collected by the feds should be used for purposes equally valuable to all citizens. This would have a couple of good side effects imo. It would encourage people in the lower income brackets to improve their job skill levels in order to decrease the percentage of their income they are handing over to government, and it would discourage having more kids than one is willing to be taxed for.
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Do you mean to tax people based upon how many children they have?

And to have everyone pay the same amount would also yield a big problem. First, to support our government's basic operations, we would need to tax everyone quite a lot to not run a constant deficit. And if we do that, the people in the lower brackets are going to be going bankrupt before they have an opportunity to increase their skill levels, or get somewhere in life.
 
You are aware that there's this thing called divorce, right?
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Then the parent making more than 20K a year gets full custody.

And nice try on baiting me. Maybe you should think a little harder. You fail.
 
repeter said:
Do you mean to tax people based upon how many children they have?

And to have everyone pay the same amount would also yield a big problem. First, to support our government's basic operations, we would need to tax everyone quite a lot to not run a constant deficit. And if we do that, the people in the lower brackets are going to be going bankrupt before they have an opportunity to increase their skill levels, or get somewhere in life.
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Not really, but sort of, I guess. If you want to keep having more children, then you should be willing to pay for their tax until they are emancipated.
As for government operations, those must eventually be cut way back anyway. Our current system is headed for failure, and eventually we are going to be revamping many of the programs and pork that are now standard operating procedure.
 
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I don't think we should pay an income tax. Since we do though, yes everyone who works should.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
One thing I have found rather strange

Massive generalization here mind you and far to simple really

Conservatives care about the unborn, but once it is born dont care if the baby dies due to lack of food or medical care

Liberals care about the born, wanting to ensure it has food and medical care to ensure its survival, but in are not too concerned about it untill it is born and dont mind if it is killed (abortion)
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kinda like the death penalty.

but keep in mind many, many people identify themselves as liberal and would never have an abortion. the key is that women get to choose.
 
Blackdog said:
I don't think we should pay an income tax. Since we do though, yes everyone who works should.
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i tend to think that wages shoudn't be taxed, but unearned income should be.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
One thing I have found rather strange

Massive generalization here mind you and far to simple really

Conservatives care about the unborn, but once it is born dont care if the baby dies due to lack of food or medical care

Liberals care about the born, wanting to ensure it has food and medical care to ensure its survival, but in are not too concerned about it untill it is born and dont mind if it is killed (abortion)
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I swear you just don't get it. It's about people taking responsibility for their actions. You **** someone, a pregnancy may result. If you can't feed em, don't breed em. Has nothing to do with not caring. It has everything to do with personal responsibility.
 
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liblady said:
i tend to think that wages shoudn't be taxed, but unearned income should be.
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Unearned like welfare? Not being an ass, I am not certain what you are saying.
 
Mellie said:
What do you think? Should all [working] people who want to live in our country be required to pay income tax?
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1) there should be no tax on income because that gives congress far more power than the founders intended. Congress pits net tax consumers against those of us who are net tax payers. Our wealth is promised to the consumers so as to buy their votes

2) if you do not pay income taxes you should not be in a position to vote or influence the rates of those who do


3) everyone should be able to keep the same percentage of the next $ they earn


I note none of the liberals/socialists/parasites ever address the obvious problem I note of pandering to the many to vote up the taxes of those who actually pay taxes
 
Everybody does pay payroll taxes, the lower income earners, disproportionately so.

I don't think everybody should have to pay income taxes. Indeed the earned income tax credit means many low wage earners actually get money back, it's is a form of I.R.S. administered welfare for the working poor that was preferred by Presidents Reagan, Clinton and Bush.
 
liblady said:
i tend to think that wages shoudn't be taxed, but unearned income should be.
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like the handouts that dems give people so they will vote for dem politicians?

what is "unearned income" a guy busting his arse for 20 years to build a business and then profiting from the business?

There should be no taxes on income--it gives congress too much power
 
Chappy said:
Everybody does pay payroll taxes, the lower income earners, disproportionately so.

I don't think everybody should have to pay income taxes. Indeed the earned income tax credit means many low wage earners actually get money back, it's is a form of I.R.S. administered welfare for the working poor that was preferred by Presidents Reagan, Clinton and Bush.
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should people who have nothing at stake have the same say as those who do?

If the government makes some bear a heavier burden than others why shouldn't those who carry more of the load be given de jure privileges for their contributions
 
Gipper said:
Then the parent making more than 20K a year gets full custody.

And nice try on baiting me. Maybe you should think a little harder. You fail.
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Not baiting you, correcting your apparent inability or unwillingness to think things through, rather than throwing out simplistic one-liners as if they were workable solutions.

Suppose the other parent makes even less money? Suppose the other parent was abusive, a druggie, etc?

I suppose now you'll say "take the kids away and put them in foster care." :roll:

How about an 80 year old, widowed Grandma, with a $16k a year income from retirement funds, who can barely afford her medicine and supplemental insurance? Gonna tax her 10 or 20% that she can't afford to pay too?

I'm not saying that something close to flat tax could not be viable, with a little adjustment. I'm saying that nobody's tax bill should push their head underwater.

To achieve that, we have to leave just a smidge of flexibility where the poorest 20% of the population are concerned.
 
Blackdog said:
Unearned like welfare? Not being an ass, I am not certain what you are saying.
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I'm thinking she may mean "passive" income like capital gains and investment profits etc. Or maybe profits made from selling personal property. I dunno- that's the impression I have.
 
Blackdog said:
Unearned like welfare? Not being an ass, I am not certain what you are saying.
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It means things like stock dividends, interest, rent received from a rental property, etc.

Not sure why it merits different treatment, other than for class warfare purposes ...
 
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Coronado said:
It means things like stock dividends, interest, rent received from a rental property, etc.
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I would not have to much problem with that. It's the income tax that burns me.
 
Coronado said:
It means things like stock dividends, interest, rent received from a rental property, etc.
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I expect you're right, but I'm not sure we need to be calling that UNearned.

Somebody originally earned the money to buy the stock, the rental properties, etc... and putting your money back into capital is better for everyone than hiding it in the mattress.
 
lizzie said:
I'm thinking she may mean "passive" income like capital gains and investment profits etc. Or maybe profits made from selling personal property. I dunno- that's the impression I have.
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Yea I got it, thanks Lizzie. :)
 
Blackdog said:
I would not have to much problem with that. It's the income tax that burns me.
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It is part of your 1040 form that's due every year, so it is actually a part of that.
 
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