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If you had to flee America.

If You Had to Flee America. Where to?

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rivrrat said:
I operated under the assumption you'd read the OP and didn't see any mention of war or fighting.
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For a non-literalist, you sure do take a very strict interpretation of the word "fight" don't you? :lol:

BTW, I did see a clear reference to "impending economic collapse", which is very much a sky-is-falling statement. That's why I chose to use the correct definition of "flee" instead of a made-up one.
 
I really don't see myself "fleeing" America for anything less than some national natural event to make it absolutely necessary (thinking Day After Tomorrow type occurrence). This is my home. I don't want to live anywhere else. If it was some major national natural disaster, it would really depend on what was going on in those other countries and what transportation was available to get me and my family there.
 
Tucker Case said:
For a non-literalist, you sure do take a very strict interpretation of the word "fight" don't you? :lol:
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I interpret the word "fight" from your use of the word "coward". ;)

BTW, I did see a clear reference to "impending economic collapse", which is very much a sky-is-falling statement. That's why I chose to use the correct definition of "flee" instead of a made-up one.
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I would buy that except for the whole "I'd send my family away first" statement you subsequently made.

Just admit it, you think anyone who leaves the US is a coward. You know it's true, stop your dodging you partisan hack. :2razz: ;)
 
Tucker Case said:
Let's focus on the real matter at hand. I wasn't responding to your comments about the OP, I was responding to your comments about my statements.

You simply could not have been using the context to determine that, when I said "flee", I was using any other meaning than it's actual meaning.

The context of my post indicates that your misinterpretation in this case was completely senseless gibberish.

That's why you even said as much when you responded:



If it makes no sense, it's because you didn't use context to figure out what I meant by flee. I meant the actual word "flee".

In the future, you can avoid such errors by not operating under the assumption that I'm so much of an idiot I do not know what the word "flee" means and can't use it correctly in a sentence.
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Rectum? Damn near killed 'em! :mrgreen:


Not saying anybody's being anal or anything... (just joking, Tuck.)


I can conceive of circumstances under which I might "flee" the US... or leave for greener pastures. But the circumstances would probably have to be truly extreme, and the prospects for "fixing" it (whether through fighting or laboring or whatnot) very poor indeed.

For all that might be wrong with it in some ways, there really is no place like America, God bless it. :ind::july_4th:
 
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If your country was in catastrophe you would not be able to fly out. So that would leave you with Canada or Mexico, or further South of Mexico (via driving or some other method).
 
Orion said:
If your country was in catastrophe you would not be able to fly out. So that would leave you with Canada or Mexico, or further South of Mexico (via driving or some other method).
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Or a sailboat. Which I plan to have. 5 year plan! :mrgreen:
 
Switzerland. The federal government there has a lot less power than the federal government here, and that's how they like it.

That, and ma hottie lives there. :mrgreen:
 
Arcana XV said:
Salaries are much higher than the European average here. It evens out in the end. Plus, depending on where you live, you can go across the border to France, Germany or Italy for cheaper groceries and restaurants, including McDonalds.
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The average salary in Switzerland is $43,000 and the average salary here in the States is $47,000. So where do you get the idea that the slaries are much higher? Ah, but you said compared to the European average. Ok. But still does that make it good to know that you paying a lot of taxes for goods and that includes food? The Switz aren't skinny because they work out a lot, its because they can't stuff their faces like Americans' do unless they want to go bankrupt.
And no Harry Guerilla I don't believe you are prepared for the cost of basic items.

Also, I would rather move to Austria than any nation in the world. And then if it were going to be an expensive place to live in, I'd choose Denmark. The people in Denmark are really great compared to Switz and the average Europeans. The Switz are pretty cold at times they remind me of the Montanan(is that right?) character of being cold to outsiders so that they don't move to their beautiful land, because most don't like people.
 
rivrrat said:
I interpret the word "fight" from your use of the word "coward". ;)
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Ah, I can see how you'd get that interpretation, but "cowardly" behavior isn't limited to physical danger.

For example, if someone avoids or runs away from doing something they truly desire because they fear the negative consequences that may arise in the worst case scenario, they are being cowardly. This is not limited to physical consequences.

Bravery is going after what you desire despite the fear of negative consequences that may arise in the worst case scenario. If you truly desire something, you should never allow someone to simply take it from you without putting up some resistance. The resistance, or fight, does not need to be manifested physically.

Martin Luther King Jr fought for what he desired. He didn't run away or flee form the challenge. He also didn't resort to violence. He was no coward. Had he decided that instead of fighting he would just muddle along and not make waves, he would have been acting in a cowardly fashion.

But with resistance comes hardship. Always. Facing that hardship in order to attain your goals is bravery. Running away from hardship and relinquishing your goals without resistance... that is cowardice.

At the same time, I don't think poorly of people for acting in a cowardly fashion. I would, however, think poorly of myself for it (and I actually have thought poorly of myself in past instances when I did act in a cowardly fashion).


I would buy that except for the whole "I'd send my family away first" statement you subsequently made.
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As I said above, resistance always goes hand in hand with hardship. While I am willing to accept the hardships my resistance would necessarily lead to, I would not place those hardships upon my family. I would seek to put them in a situation where they could avoid those hardships, which would affect them as much as me during my resistance.

The hardships can occur in any variety of forms, many of which are not physically violent.

Just admit it, you think anyone who leaves the US is a coward. You know it's true, stop your dodging you partisan hack. :2razz: ;)
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I can has hackburger? :mrgreen:

The irony of this discussion we're having is that leaving the US because you want to leave the US is something I would actually classify as an act of "bravery". Doing so because that is what you desire is actually taking on risks that you could avoid by not leaving, but choosing instead to accept those risks in order to fulfill your desires is admirable, IMO.

Which is why I would never, ever call leaving of your own accord in order to fulfill your desires "fleeing". I think using that word degrades and insults the inherent bravery of the action. ;)
 
Coronado said:
Well, I have some college hours in German, so I could probably pick that back up, and I had some French in high school, so maybe I could get that going again, too.

The ability to own firearms is a big plus, and so is the highly-developed banking industry there.

Oh, and the chocolate, the flora and fauna, the mountains and so forth.
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Its a lot more difficult than you think.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
The average salary in Switzerland is $43,000 and the average salary here in the States is $47,000. So where do you get the idea that the slaries are much higher? Ah, but you said compared to the European average. Ok. But still does that make it good to know that you paying a lot of taxes for goods and that includes food? The Switz aren't skinny because they work out a lot, its because they can't stuff their faces like Americans' do unless they want to go bankrupt.
And no Harry Guerilla I don't believe you are prepared for the cost of basic items.

Also, I would rather move to Austria than any nation in the world. And then if it were going to be an expensive place to live in, I'd choose Denmark. The people in Denmark are really great compared to Switz and the average Europeans. The Switz are pretty cold at times they remind me of the Montanan(is that right?) character of being cold to outsiders so that they don't move to their beautiful land, because most don't like people.
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What's a Switz? :lol:

Anyway, I'll take the high standard of living and safety of living in this country over ANY of our closest neighbors. Not to mention the very low unemployment rate.

And yes, the Swiss people are not easy to get to know and in some parts of the country, especially in the more remote rural areas, they can be very insular and unwelcoming to outsiders. There's good and bad, just like anywhere else. It all depends what you're looking for. Geneva, Lausanne, Zurich, Basel and Locarno are very cool, very welcoming cities.

ETA: Oh, and the Swiss DO work out a lot. They're health freaks. Not just that, but most health insurance companies pay half of the health club costs.
 
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Arcana XV said:
What's a Switz? :lol:

Anyway, I'll take the high standard of living and safety of living in this country over ANY of our closest neighbors. Not to mention the very low unemployment rate.

And yes, the Swiss people are not easy to get to know and in some parts of the country, especially in the more remote rural areas, they can be very insular and unwelcoming to outsiders. There's good and bad, just like anywhere else. It all depends what you're looking for. Geneva, Lausanne, Zurich, Basel and Locarno are very cool, very welcoming cities.
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I'd pick Zurich since my German is better (much!) than my French. Basel is boring.
 
Live free or die trying,...

Marines don't run from a fight. I owe it to all who fought and died for this country and my freedoms to stay and fight to the end.

That said, I would love to visit Austrailia, New Zealand and Norway for as long as it takes for me to satisfy my travel bug and return home.

;)
 
Costa Rica for the surfing.
Australia for the Reef and surfing.
New Zealand for the outdoor adventures.
Switzerland for the watches.
I have buddies in New Zealand and Costa Rica, so those two are tops for me.

Others off the list?
Thailand for the exotic and inexpensive nature.
Chile for Patagonia.
Alaska because that really isn't the US.
France for the wine and Riveria
Monaco for the night life and Indy Circuit
Spain for Rioja's and Tapas.
California since it is the greatest place on the planet minus the polluted air, the almost 40 million people, the anger and aggression, the polluted oceans and the massive illegal immigration problem. And because California kinda owns the USA.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
The average salary in Switzerland is $43,000 and the average salary here in the States is $47,000. So where do you get the idea that the slaries are much higher? Ah, but you said compared to the European average. Ok. But still does that make it good to know that you paying a lot of taxes for goods and that includes food? The Switz aren't skinny because they work out a lot, its because they can't stuff their faces like Americans' do unless they want to go bankrupt.
And no Harry Guerilla I don't believe you are prepared for the cost of basic items.

Also, I would rather move to Austria than any nation in the world. And then if it were going to be an expensive place to live in, I'd choose Denmark. The people in Denmark are really great compared to Switz and the average Europeans. The Switz are pretty cold at times they remind me of the Montanan(is that right?) character of being cold to outsiders so that they don't move to their beautiful land, because most don't like people.
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I don't spend a lot of money as a matter of habit.

I understand some things would cost more but it doesn't make any difference to me.
The Swiss have a pretty good history and I like their general attitude towards government and non interventionism.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I don't spend a lot of money as a matter of habit.

I understand some things would cost more but it doesn't make any difference to me.
The Swiss have a pretty good history and I like their general attitude towards government and non interventionism.
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Isn't their income tax rate like 6,000%?
 
Kelzie said:
Isn't their income tax rate like 6,000%?
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I believe their effective tax rate is less than the U.S.

I'll look it up.

Edit: Here it is.
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Harry Guerrilla said:
:tongue4: :mrgreen:
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Hmm, I always thought they were super socialist. My bad. What's up with Slovenia? I mean, dang. Make 100k a year and your take home will be 45k. Guess that's why they're the economic power house that they are. :lol:
 
Kelzie said:
Hmm, I always thought they were super socialist. My bad. What's up with Slovenia? I mean, dang. Make 100k a year and your take home will be 45k. Guess that's why they're the economic power house that they are. :lol:
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The Swiss government is modeled after a confederation.
Compared to ours it isn't as important as the cantons(states) are in their daily lives.

They are a pretty cool bunch from what I've been reading.
 
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