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Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded

  • I am for waterboarding Al Quaeda and Hutaree terrorists

    Votes: 7 19.4%

  • I am for waterboarding Al Quaeda terrorists but not Hutaree terrorists

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • I am for waterboarding Hutaree terrorists but not Al Quaeda terrorists

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • I am against waterboarding Al Quaeda and Hutaree terrorists

    Votes: 24 66.7%
  • Total voters
    36
Goshin said:
Thing is, a lot of people want to make this about "being fair" and "treating everyone the same" and "not doing to them what we don't want them doing to us."

Horse $#!+.

The Bill of Rights applies to all American Citizens, period, even if they are accused of terrorism. Or at least it did, until the so-called "Patriot Act".

Foreign nationals who are not in uniform but who engage in acts of sabotage or terrorism against us are not subject to the protections normally afforded POW's, nor are they accused of simple crime, nor are they citizens of the USA. In wartime they can be tried by military tribunal and summarily executed. We are not obligated to extend them any rights at all unless we choose to do so.

I'm not intrested in being fair and equable. I'm intrested in protecting American Citizens. If you're Swedish, I assume your government will act to protect you... that is a government's job, to protect IT'S citizens, not everyone else's.
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You have changed my opinion, at first I supported waterboarding for the Amrican terrorists but now I don't becuase they are protected by our constitution.

I agree that the "playing fair" stuff is garbage. Our enemies don't care about us or being "humane." I would think the more humane action would be to waterboard terrorists to save the lives of Americans. It would be inhumane to extend our rights to non citizens who are criminals that intend to kill innocent people. It would be inhumane to not waterboard them and deny ourselves access to information that can save lives, find terrorists, or thwart their plants. And speaking of playing fair, if we give them our rights shouldn't they also pay our taxes too? To "be fair" shouldn't we tax them like citizens if they are going to have protection by the constitution that is for American citizens?
 
samsmart said:
The Hutaree Militia is a religious domestic terrorist organization located in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. They planned to make terrorist attacks on local law enforcement and then do follow-up attacks at the funerals to kill more local law enforcement. This plot was stopped by the F.B.I. who arrested 9 of the members. Their beliefs in fundamentalist Christianity caused them to believe that they would need to serve as warriors for God against the Anti-Christ and plotted against the American government.

So my question is this: since they are terrorists and since they are religious extremists and they planned a terrorist attack here in the United States, should they be waterboarded to see if they know of any other terrorist attacks being planned by any other terrorist organizations?

Edit: I posted the questions the way I did because most right-wingers are for waterboarding Muslim terrorists, and I wanted to know what they felt about waterboarding Christian terrorists.
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These guys were the Barney Fifes of a "dangerous" militia movement.
They could of been caught with a mouse trap.

Torturing them would be just for kicks.
 
digsbe said:
I think both groups should be waterboarded. If it saves lives, thwarts plans, and gives insight to future attacks then it should be implimented. Honestly I am for more than waterboarding, why not give them drugs that would make them feel "safe" and induce the truth or something? These "Christian" (by all means Christian in name only, not in practice) should be waterboarded along with Al Quaeda and any other terrorist.
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Yes, it would be the Christian thing to do.:roll:
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Voluntary as in joining the US military currently is voluntary


Also any one in the US military can get out of it by "coming out of the closet"
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As far as I know Al Qaeda doesn't draft its members.So they did volunteer to become terrorist.So they did volunteer for what ever happens to them.
 
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Catawba said:
Yes, it would be the Christian thing to do.:roll:
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How so? The Bible doesn't say to prepare and wage terrorist war against a nation because of the coming anti-Christ. Actually it says to share love and spread the Gospel of Christ before the rapture. Christians will be raptured before the anti-christ rises to power, so we won't be here anyway to start a war. Instead what the Bible says to do is share the love of Christ with others so they might believe and be saved from sin and the coming anti-christ/Armageddon.
 
digsbe said:
How so? The Bible doesn't say to prepare and wage terrorist war against a nation because of the coming anti-Christ. Actually it says to share love and spread the Gospel of Christ before the rapture. Christians will be raptured before the anti-christ rises to power, so we won't be here anyway to start a war. Instead what the Bible says to do is share the love of Christ with others so they might believe and be saved from sin and the coming anti-christ/Armageddon.
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So your God wishes us to share love of Christ by torturing people?
 
Catawba said:
So your God wishes us to share love of Christ by torturing people?
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No, but he wants us to share the love of Christ by protecting the innocent and punishing the wicked. I don't believe God would want the innocent to die because we aren't willing to make a wicked terrorist uncomfortable to the point of giving life saving information.
 
digsbe said:
No, but he wants us to share the love of Christ by protecting the innocent and punishing the wicked. I don't believe God would want the innocent to die because we aren't willing to make a wicked terrorist uncomfortable to the point of giving life saving information.
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Right, like I said to begin with, its the Christian thing to do. God will be pleased!
 
Catawba said:
Right, like I said to begin with, its the Christian thing to do. God will be pleased!
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I thought you were making reference to what the "Christian" militant group was doing. My bad.

However, I believe God would be more pleased if the captured terrorist repented and gave the information freely instead of having it forced out of him.
 
digsbe said:
However, I believe God would be more pleased if the captured terrorist repented and gave the information freely instead of having it forced out of him.
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But if they don't, God would want us to torture them? Yes, I think I remember reading that.
 
Torture has always been a crime. Waterboarding is torture. That is untill Dick Chaney decided he ant his fellow republicans were above the law. Let a democrat try breaking the law like republicans do and see how long they git by with it. And the republicans call themselves the "moral christian party". I thought Christians were supposed to believe we were all brothers, not just US citizens. Did Got make foreign terrorists so republican "Christians" would have someone to torture and hate?:confused:
 
No, I don't think they should be waterboarded. Studies have shown that trying to coerce answers out of people rarely results in useful information.
 
Funny how often the heathens want to bring God into a political discussion. :mrgreen:






(with apologies to Korimyr, "heathens" used in the generic sense.)
 
samsmart said:
So my question is this: since they are terrorists and since they are religious extremists and they planned a terrorist attack here in the United States, should they be waterboarded to see if they know of any other terrorist attacks being planned by any other terrorist organizations?
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Why, of course. Duh.
 
Goshin said:
Funny how often the heathens want to bring God into a political discussion. :mrgreen:
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What leads you to believe that digsbe is a heathen?

digsbe said:
I think both groups should be waterboarded. If it saves lives, thwarts plans, and gives insight to future attacks then it should be implimented. Honestly I am for more than waterboarding, why not give them drugs that would make them feel "safe" and induce the truth or something? These "Christian" (by all means Christian in name only, not in practice) should be waterboarded along with Al Quaeda and any other terrorist.
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lizzie said:
I highly doubt that God cares, but we should.
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God has no interest in how we treat our fellow man?
 
molten_dragon said:
No, I don't think they should be waterboarded. Studies have shown that trying to coerce answers out of people rarely results in useful information.
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Is this how Bush and Chaney found out about all those weapons of massssss destruction in Iraq and that Sadam Husain was responsible for 9/11, and all that other good information he had?
 
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jacksbrat said:
Torture has always been a crime. Waterboarding is torture.
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So is Top 40 pop music. Waterboarding doesn't cause permenant harm, so it's A-OK with me.

That is untill Dick Chaney decided he ant his fellow republicans were above the law. Let a democrat try breaking the law like republicans do and see how long they git by with it. And the republicans call themselves the "moral christian party". I thought Christians were supposed to believe we were all brothers, not just US citizens. Did Got make foreign terrorists so republican "Christians" would have someone to torture and hate?:confused:
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Why waterboard them? Take them out in the streets and publicly execute them. That'll teach any wannabe "Christian terrorists" not to **** around.
 
Goshin said:
Funny how often the heathens want to bring God into a political discussion. :mrgreen:
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Yeah, I can't stand how those Christian heathens always bring up their pagan "God" when we're talking politics. Those damn Christian infidels need to repent unto Allah and save their souls from damnation.

Praise the Prophet Muhammed! ;)
 
jamesrage said:
As far as I know Al Qaeda doesn't draft its members.So they did volunteer to become terrorist.So they did volunteer for what ever happens to them.
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No

The US soldiers volunteered to be part of the military, the waterboarding is part of their training in order to resist the illegal waterboarding that might be done to them by the enemy. The US soldiers are not volunteering to be waterboarded by AQ
 
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