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Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 28.3%
  • No

    Votes: 24 45.3%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 24.5%

  • Total voters
    53
Read the thread from the beginning. And if you're still having trouble figuring it out then you may need to inform yourself on the past 30 years of the cartel wars. I would start with Colombia/Pablo Escobar. (Wikipedia/Brittanica) :thumbs:

They did a great story on him on the History Channel, recently. I think it still may be playing reruns now.:)
 
Talk to me when you're interested in addressing our points.

What are the drug addicts going to do when the drugs become "legal" and the "uncorrupted" Mexican government is busy setting up these narcotic manufacturing plants??
 
What are the drug addicts going to do when the drugs become "legal"

They'll still take the drugs. However, they'll be much safer, and if they do want to get help, they won't be ostracized by their government.

and the "uncorrupted" Mexican government is busy setting up these narcotic manufacturing plants??

Who said anything about the Mexican government doing it? There are tons of people willing to pick up a legal drug trade just like currently legal narcotics.
 
They'll still take the drugs. However, they'll be much safer, and if they do want to get help, they won't be ostracized by their government.



Who said anything about the Mexican government doing it? There are tons of people willing to pick up a legal drug trade just like currently legal narcotics.

Where are the addicts going to get their cocaine right after the Mexican government chases off all the cartels? The addicts will be in somewhat of an idle stage during all this chaos....so how are they going to keep a steady flow of narcotics coming into America?
 
Where are the addicts going to get their cocaine right after the Mexican government chases off all the cartels? The addicts will be in somewhat of an idle stage during all this chaos....so how are they going to keep a steady flow of narcotics coming into America?

Where did the booze drinkers go after Prohibition was repealed? New competitors take up the market.
 
Where are the addicts going to get their cocaine right after the Mexican government chases off all the cartels? The addicts will be in somewhat of an idle stage during all this chaos....so how are they going to keep a steady flow of narcotics coming into America?

If the Mexican government could chase off the cartels, they would have done so by now. What will end the cartels is competition from legitimate sources that will make it impossible for them to make money. Take the money out of the cartels, and you end them.
 
Where did the booze drinkers go after Prohibition was repealed? New competitors take up the market.

DUDE!! Read my post again and come up with a more logical answer.
 
DUDE!! Read my post again and come up with a more logical answer.

I understood you just fine. There is plenty of money to be made in a legal narcotics market. Others will step in.
 
What are the drug addicts going to do when the drugs become "legal" and the "uncorrupted" Mexican government is busy setting up these narcotic manufacturing plants??

More likely than not, it won't be the Mexican government who sets up the nacrotic manufacturing plants but rather private enterprises.
 
More likely than not, it won't be the Mexican government who sets up the nacrotic manufacturing plants but rather private enterprises.

WHAT are the addicts (addicts need their fix on the hour) going to do while these "private enterprises" are being constructed????
 
WHAT are the addicts (addicts need their fix on the hour) going to do while these "private enterprises" are being constructed????

Nobody said that the cartels would die with the stroke of the pen that signs a legalization bill.
 
Nobody said that the cartels would die with the stroke of the pen that signs a legalization bill.

:)Drunken- You're case isn't holding up on the logistics behind the decriminalization of narcotics.
 
:)Drunken- You're case isn't holding up on the logistics behind the decriminalization of narcotics.

How? Yes I know that the cartels are powerful, but they can't much to go against economics. It simply isn't profitable to run an organization like they are in a legal, open environment. I don't know how many times I have to state this.

"Others will step in"? :)

And for the 100th time moonshining vs legal alcohol.
 
How? Yes I know that the cartels are powerful, but they can't much to go against economics. It simply isn't profitable to run an organization like they are in a legal, open environment. I don't know how many times I have to state this.

If it weren't so profitable then why do stores buy counterfeit goods instead of the real thing? There will always be a cartel and it will have members. IF drugs are legalized who is to say that the stores that sell drugs won't be selling stuff made by the cartels instead of the government made drugs? I cannot see Pfizer or Merck all of sudden taking a large interest in the selling and distribution of cocaine, herion, crystal meth, etc. So really just because you make it legal does not mean that the cartels are not going to be the ones still controlling the market.
Alcohol Prohibition was a totally different thing to the illegal drug trade that gives the cartels their money.
 
If it weren't so profitable then why do stores buy counterfeit goods instead of the real thing? There will always be a cartel and it will have members. IF drugs are legalized who is to say that the stores that sell drugs won't be selling stuff made by the cartels instead of the government made drugs? I cannot see Pfizer or Merck all of sudden taking a large interest in the selling and distribution of cocaine, herion, crystal meth, etc. So really just because you make it legal does not mean that the cartels are not going to be the ones still controlling the market.
Alcohol Prohibition was a totally different thing to the illegal drug trade that gives the cartels their money.

Stores buy counterfeit goods because they are cheaper. This will not be the case with a drug cartel. The cartel will still have to produce, smuggle and transport the drugs to the gov't regulated distribution point. Local growers will sell for less than the cost cartel's have. The revenue stream will dry up for the cartels and they will end up fighting themselves over pennies.

Note, there will not be government made drugs.
 
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What are the drug addicts going to do when the drugs become "legal" and the "uncorrupted" Mexican government is busy setting up these narcotic manufacturing plants??

Do drugs of course. The day drugs are legalized, it will not instantaniously drop prices to the point where it is unprofitable for suppliers to embark on their journey for profits.

Regardless, you seem ignorant as to the labor/capital ratio for drug manufacturing. The narcotic manufacturers already exist: we refer to them as Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Johnson and Johnson, Glaxco-Smith, etc....

But from the perspectives you have been arguing from; i suspect you are have a financial stake in drugs being illegal. Are you a cop/dea/probation officer/warden/etc...???
 
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Stores buy counterfeit goods because they are cheaper. This will not be the case with a drug cartel. The cartel will still have to produce, smuggle and transport the drugs to the gov't regulated distribution point. Local growers will sell for less than the cost cartel's have. The revenue stream will dry up for the cartels and they will end up fighting themselves over pennies.

Note, there will not be government made drugs.

You are living in a dream world. It won't work out that way, there will always be a black market for drugs even if it is regulated by this impossibile to corrupt USA government officials.
 
You are living in a dream world. It won't work out that way, there will always be a black market for drugs even if it is regulated by this impossibile to corrupt USA government officials.

A greatly diminished black market. With drugs being illegal, the black market obtains all of the demand. When drugs are legal, the black market obtains the demand pertaining to illegality; i.e. age.
 
You are living in a dream world. It won't work out that way, there will always be a black market for drugs even if it is regulated by this impossibile to corrupt USA government officials.

What are you talking about? How can a black market be regulated? That would make it a legal market, no?
 
What are you talking about? How can a black market be regulated? That would make it a legal market, no?

No, it would make it a legal market. But still I am saying that just because it is legal does not mean that there won't be black market stuff on sale.
Remember that it costs to make and bring an kilo of cocaine roughly .12Cents. If the stores were selling it for .80 an ounce without the taxes, that still is a huge profit for that kilo trafficked into the US. What I am saying is that the market cannot be as tightly regulated as you believe it can be.
So if it is legal, the legal and regulated stuff might cost for an ounce of cocaine 4bucks(there are 35 ounces in a kilogram so 4 x 35= 140bucks and expenses equal .12 x 35= 4.2bucks. 140 - 4.2= 135.8bucks and half that for the 2bucks you get 67.9 bucks. That is a pretty big profit) but the cartels can still bring that stuff in and sell it for 2bucks with a big profit margin. Its not that expensive to produce and export cocaine or herion. And remember that there are plenty of public officials willing to take a bribe even here in the US.
 
No, it would make it a legal market. But still I am saying that just because it is legal does not mean that there won't be black market stuff on sale.
Remember that it costs to make and bring an kilo of cocaine roughly .12Cents. If the stores were selling it for .80 an ounce without the taxes, that still is a huge profit for that kilo trafficked into the US. What I am saying is that the market cannot be as tightly regulated as you believe it can be.
So if it is legal, the legal and regulated stuff might cost for an ounce of cocaine 4bucks(there are 35 ounces in a kilogram so 4 x 35= 140bucks and expenses equal .12 x 35= 4.2bucks. 140 - 4.2= 135.8bucks and half that for the 2bucks you get 67.9 bucks. That is a pretty big profit) but the cartels can still bring that stuff in and sell it for 2bucks with a big profit margin. Its not that expensive to produce and export cocaine or herion. And remember that there are plenty of public officials willing to take a bribe even here in the US.

You're high.

It costs more to smuggle in a kilo of coke than to produce it locally and sell it legally.
 
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