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Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous grounds

Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    Votes: 48 59.3%

  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    Votes: 11 13.6%

  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    Votes: 14 17.3%

  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 6 7.4%
  • Total voters
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disneydude said:
that's rare.....
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I live in an unusual locality...
 
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LaMidRighter said:
I get that, just wanted to make sure.
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All in all, I have zero problems with most religions (in fact, I was raised Catholic and the vast majority of my family is Catholic). So when I make smarmy comments like that, it's typically in jest. Less it's about Scientology, then it's probably serious. I hate Scientology.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
I'm surprised at the number of people who feel that 'it's their business, their rules"

It's not a religious-business such as a church. In a church I feel that, yes, their religion their rules - but not a business open to the public.

If you open a business then you welcome everyone, barring your personal feelings about their lifestyle. The only thing permitted to be discriminated against are those who want to enter an establishment while presenting a danger or hazard - thus the no shoes, no shirt, no service signs . . . and so on. You cannot discriminate according to age, race, sexual orientation and all that jazz. . . because all those things are either A) someone's personal life and no one else's business or B) their unaltered state of being - like race or gender.

Religion and moral things aren't up to the owner's discrimination.

If someone has religious issues then they shouldn't be opening and operating a business in which they'll be privy to such things. . .
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I agree in general. The one thing in this scenario is that, if one is morally opposed to homosexual activity, and a gay couple is sleeping under your roof, there's a strong possibility that the activity that you view as immoral will take place.

So, it's different that a restaurant or hair salon, where sexual activity isn't the expected norm.
 
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VanceMack said:
In YOUR opinion...and OBVIOUSLY you DISAGREE...

But I DO agree...I cant STAND bigoted, biased, intolerant assholes that cant respect the rights, opinions, and positions of others with respect. That kind of stuff just bothers me to no end...
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Is this what you call a respectful and tolerant way of describing the fellow human beings with whom your differ?
 
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VanceMack said:
Obsessing? How about every other thread gaying for the homosexuality of the gayness? Or the gay homosexual rights of gay for they gay and gay? Or every thread being twisted to gay gay for the gayness of momosxuality and gay??? Gay...for homosexuality...gay about obsession...sheesh. Gay!
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If you dislike these threads, is there any reason not to click on others that you might enjoy more?
 
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Ikari said:
All in all, I have zero problems with most religions (in fact, I was raised Catholic and the vast majority of my family is Catholic). So when I make smarmy comments like that, it's typically in jest. Less it's about Scientology, then it's probably serious. I hate Scientology.
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It can be hard to tell, some of the atheists on this site are so in your face about it and make it a point to take shots at believer.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
All good reasons, but be careful with (3) bigots are creative when it comes to their prejudices, including how to apply them to any ambiguity in an argument. They may equate their hatred to the "atmosphere".
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I left it open for the sake of ambiguity. Reason be, there are some who will draw conclusions on why their steak is taking so long to be served as a basis of bigotry. But, we have to consider why someone would draw that conclusion in the first place? Bigotry and hate only fuel each other. It is the governments responsibility to distinguish it if the scenario to do so presents itself.

I don't want to empower government period. My concepts are based on my principles, even though bigots make me sick I fully defend their rights to be non-inclusionary and stupid, it's not agreement, it's principle.
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This is not the same as allowing someone to be a hater. Allowing firms to operate in this manner will in fact create ripple effects across their respective market and society itself.
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
I left it open for the sake of ambiguity. Reason be, there are some who will draw conclusions on why their steak is taking so long to be served as a basis of bigotry. But, we have to consider why someone would draw that conclusion in the first place? Bigotry and hate only fuel each other. It is the governments responsibility to distinguish it if the scenario to do so presents itself.
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How in the hell? The government under your assertation is being given arbitrary power to do whatever the hell it wants for whatever reason.



This is not the same as allowing someone to be a hater. Allowing firms to operate in this manner will in fact create ripple effects across their respective market and society itself.
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The government cannot "allow" one to think, act, or make decisions for themselves, it's not within their powers. In fact our social contract holds that we allow the government whatever power it gets. Unfortunately we've allowed the government to become too powerful through attrition and indifference, but they don't allow anything we allow them whatever leeway they get.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
How in the hell? The government under your assertation is being given arbitrary power to do whatever the hell it wants for whatever reason.
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You have to give examples or some sort of hypothesis with assumptions.

The government cannot "allow" one to think, act, or make decisions for themselves, it's not within their powers. In fact our social contract holds that we allow the government whatever power it gets. Unfortunately we've allowed the government to become too powerful through attrition and indifference, but they don't allow anything we allow them whatever leeway they get.
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While i agree that the size and scope of the Federal Government is frightening. This is one instance in which it can serve a purpose.
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
You have to give examples or some sort of hypothesis with assumptions.



While i agree that the size and scope of the Federal Government is frightening. This is one instance in which it can serve a purpose.
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Here is the thing, if it we could trust a government to not expand itself I could give the licensed private business argument more credence, but as we have seen historically regulation leads to further regulation, it never stops at simply what is necessary and proper. As is I can give a minimal merit to very limited regulation when based in provable public interest such as health and immediate public safety. We have agreed I feel that discrimination is wrong and a terrible business practice, however I don't feel that compulsary laws such as smoking bans, anti-discrimination, zoning, etc. do not meet necessary and proper and in fact treat government as a de facto partner in business.
 
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Smoking bans truly serve a purpose considering the nearly half a million deaths caused (yearly) by tobacco alone. What does get a little silly is if smoking is not allowed at all in establishments.

Back to the subject: British law negates the ability to say on your website, advertisement, etc... that you are operating an anti-gay/black/white/jewish/muslim/etc... establishment.

What do you think of this synthesis? Firms can discriminate all that they want, they just have to actively advertise that they will not serve the particular people. Kind of like: under 21 no entry or womens only gym.
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
Smoking bans truly serve a purpose considering the nearly half a million deaths caused (yearly) by tobacco alone. What does get a little silly is if smoking is not allowed at all in establishments.
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Sure, every law serves a purpose of some kind, whether that purpose is greater than freedom and choice is the question.

Back to the subject: British law negates the ability to say on your website, advertisement, etc... that you are operating an anti-gay/black/white/jewish/muslim/etc... establishment.

What do you think of this synthesis? Firms can discriminate all that they want, they just have to actively advertise that they will not serve the particular people. Kind of like: under 21 no entry or womens only gym.
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See, I would be okay with that compromise. You are free to engage in offensive business practices that will kill your bottom line........as long as you are upfront and honest about it.
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
This is in England where a Christian B&B owner refused a homosexual couple accommodation. Should this be allowed or not? For those of you who haven't visited the UK, B&Bs are much more common over there and American style motels are rare. Many, many homeowners supplement their incomes by operating B&Bs in their homes.

Should they be forced to take in gay couples if it is against their religious beliefs?

Gay couple turned away from B&B by Christian owners | World news | The Guardian
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What does the law say?
 
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American said:
What does the law say?
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The law says that you may not discriminate....

"The Sexual Orientation Regulations 2007 make it unlawful for a person providing goods, facilities or services to members of the public to directly or indirectly discriminate (or victimise) on the grounds of sexual orientation in the provision or non-provision of such goods, facilities or services, or the terms upon which they are offered. This is regardless of whether or not the goods, facilities or services are provided free of charge. This covers a wide range of public and private services, including important areas such as healthcare, insurance, and the provision of hotel or holiday accommodation.¨

Your rights - Discrimination in the Provision of Goods and Services

There are exceptions (see link) but none of them cover this case.
 
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Groucho said:
Ah, why didn't you tell me you were one of those who denied science and pretends people don't choose their sexual orientation? That changes everything.

I have a constitutional right to be naked too, but not in a store.
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Wait...wait...wait...so...science has found the gay gene? Liar...

Oh...no...the 'science' that says if your fourth finger is longer than your middle...

Or the science that says unlike all other mammals, somehow two peopole of the same sex have found a way to survive and thrive (procreate) from an evolutionary perspective....

Say it again correctly...because it supports your choice, you want to BELIEVE that science proves it 'right'. At least then you would be honest.
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
Is this what you call a respectful and tolerant way of describing the fellow human beings with whom your differ?
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Well lets see...are you willing to disagree...have a discussion and respect people who disagree with you or are you a bigoted intolerant asshole that disrespects people that have differing opinions? Is it REEEALLLY that difficult a concept?

I can have great in depth discussions with people and at the end of the day love them, respect them, and treat them like family. OR...I can have discussions woith people that dont respect my differing opinions...with TOTALLY different end results.

but then...you knew that...didnt you...
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
If you dislike these threads, is there any reason not to click on others that you might enjoy more?
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I very seldom click on the gay threads because its absolutely entirely exhausting and far too pervasive. But perhaps you are right...better to just ignore them altogether.
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
I agree in general. The one thing in this scenario is that, if one is morally opposed to homosexual activity, and a gay couple is sleeping under your roof, there's a strong possibility that the activity that you view as immoral will take place.

So, it's different that a restaurant or hair salon, where sexual activity isn't the expected norm.
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Why presume that they're going to have sex?

I'm married and we've stayed in quite a few hotels - and rarely have sex. Sooo - what kind of a sleazy woman is she being by assuming one's actions for the night behind closed doors?

I fully support people's rights to have their religious views - but only if those views do not infringe on the right's of others and she crossed that line. Much in the same way that I feel it crosses the line to permit anti-abortion doctors to deem what they can and cannot carry as far as BC goes.
 
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It's a place of business. One defined by law where such a bigoted action is banned. Them's the rules.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
It's a place of business. One defined by law where such a bigoted action is banned. Them's the rules.
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I don't think this thread is about what the law is but rather what the law should be.
 
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gtown25nick said:
I don't think this thread is about what the law is but rather what the law should be.
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Quite.

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chevydriver1123 said:
If its private property the owner has that right.
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Exactly.
And this particular place of business is not private property.
 
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VanceMack said:
I very seldom click on the gay threads because its absolutely entirely exhausting and far too pervasive. But perhaps you are right...better to just ignore them altogether.
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I usually avoid gay threads myself, but I thought this particular article did provide an interesting dilemma. I agree, the whole gay issue is exhausting.
 
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gtown25nick said:
I don't think this thread is about what the law is but rather what the law should be.
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That would be correct...
 
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