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If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?

If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?

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Bassman said:
So you think the GOP should just cave in and allow the Democrats to keep shredding the Constitution??
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I am saying that there is this thing called "reality" that we all have to live with. I would be surprised if any of this was ruled unconstitutional. The Republicans can't possible get enough seats this year to get past the veto. By 2012, no one is going to care one bit about the health care bill. Most people will see no difference at all either way. In 2012, the issue will be the economy, as it will this fall for that matter, and if the economy is growing 2012, most likely Obama will be reelected. If its not, then he won't. Either way, no one but the hard core right wingers will care about or even remember the healthcare reform bill.

After all, if you have insurance today, and you like it, then this bill does not effect you one way or the other anyway.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I am saying that there is this thing called "reality" that we all have to live with. I would be surprised if any of this was ruled unconstitutional. The Republicans can't possible get enough seats this year to get past the veto. By 2012, no one is going to care one bit about the health care bill. Most people will see no difference at all either way. In 2012, the issue will be the economy, as it will this fall for that matter, and if the economy is growing 2012, most likely Obama will be reelected. If its not, then he won't. Either way, no one but the hard core right wingers will care about or even remember the healthcare reform bill.

After all, if you have insurance today, and you like it, then this bill does not effect you one way or the other anyway.
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Only until Blue Cross/Blue shield get forced out of business and we'll all be forced to take gubmint healthcare.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Once again, do you think it will be politically popular for Republicans to bring back pre-existing conditions, allowing insurance companies to drop coverage for you for almost any reason once you become sick, and not allowing parents to insure their kids until their kids are 26?

I am just trying to introduce a little reality here. Yes, the bill is not popular as a whole, largely because of the insurance mandate and the complexity of all of it. However, many components of the bill are very popular, so Republicans are never going to be able to repeal the whole bill. The problem for them then is that all they probably could get the political will to repeal are the components of the bill that are not popular with their constituents, but are supported by the insurance industry. Being that the GOP is pretty much bought and paid for by the insurance industry, its not like they are going to ditch the individual mandate, yet keep in place the ban on denying coverage due to preexisting conditions.

Its a no win situation for Republicans now on this.
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Those few perks come at a very high cost, it could have been done much better. We have to realize that insurance is a business, not a charity. For people with pre existing conditions I think there should be a government option or at least a government subsidy for their health insurance costs. I am all for regulating insurance fraud and them repealing your policy you have paid into for years simply because you got sick. However, the "good" in this bill is at much to high a price. It was implemented the wrong way and only damages healthcare and pricing. Rationing is in this bill, and we also see government growing and the deficit growing. Practical things like allowing companies to sell beyond state lines and having competition would have helped fix things. What was passed wasn't healthcare reform, it was healthcare takeover by the federal government, and that is what the American people did not want.
 
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Bassman said:
So you think the GOP should just cave in and allow the Democrats to keep shredding the Constitution??
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[hyper partisan crazy hyperbole mode=on]If they shred it up fine enough they won't be able to wipe their asses with it[mode=off] :doh
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Once again, do you think it will be politically popular for Republicans to bring back pre-existing conditions, allowing insurance companies to drop coverage for you for almost any reason once you become sick, and not allowing parents to insure their kids until their kids are 26?
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Depends on how these policies play out in reality. Most people are under the mistaken assumption that "insurance company can't refuse to cover me because of my pre-existing condition!" means "insurance company has to offer me coverage at a rate I'm willing to pay." In reality, I see nothing that indicates that in practice, people with preexisting conditions will see substantially increased access to affordable insurance thanks to this portion of the bill. In fact, the CBO pretty much explicitly says so.

I am just trying to introduce a little reality here. Yes, the bill is not popular as a whole, largely because of the insurance mandate and the complexity of all of it. However, many components of the bill are very popular, so Republicans are never going to be able to repeal the whole bill. The problem for them then is that all they probably could get the political will to repeal are the components of the bill that are not popular with their constituents, but are supported by the insurance industry.
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This is all probably true.

Being that the GOP is pretty much bought and paid for by the insurance industry, its not like they are going to ditch the individual mandate, yet keep in place the ban on denying coverage due to preexisting conditions.
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Health Services/HMOs: Top Contributors to Federal Candidates and Parties | OpenSecrets

67-32 in favor of Dems this cycle. 11 of the top 15 recipients are Dems, including Reid, Schumer, Waxman, Rangel, Specter, and Blanche.
 
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digsbe said:
Those few perks come at a very high cost, it could have been done much better. We have to realize that insurance is a business, not a charity.
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Of course.

For people with pre existing conditions I think there should be a government option or at least a government subsidy for their health insurance costs.
I am all for regulating insurance fraud and them repealing your policy you have paid into for years simply because you got sick.
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So basically you are for the more liberal version of the bill that was debated last summer that included a public option.

However, the "good" in this bill is at much to high a price. It was implemented the wrong way and only damages healthcare and pricing. Rationing is in this bill,
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Where is rationing the bill? Truth be told, we would be better off cost control wise if we actually did ration care. Its no where in the bill though.

and we also see government growing and the deficit growing.
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Not according to the CBO analysis of it.

Practical things like allowing companies to sell beyond state lines and having competition would have helped fix things.
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I am fine with allowing you to purchase insurance across state lines, but I don't believe that it would make any difference. Even states with very large insurance markets still have skyrocketing costs.

What was passed wasn't healthcare reform, it was healthcare takeover by the federal government, and that is what the American people did not want.
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How did the government "takeover" healthcare with this bill? If you currently have insurance and are happy with it, you will see no difference at all in regards to your healthcare.
 
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I'm not sure if this legislation will be repealed if the Republicans gained a majority in the house and senate but I do know that it will take a while for everything to be put into effect because a couple states are already filling lawsuits against The Obama Administrations proposal.

States launch lawsuits against healthcare plan | Reuters
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Of course.



So basically you are for the more liberal version of the bill that was debated last summer that included a public option.
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Actually I was, I am an independent, not a hard right conservative. I still didn't support that bill, but I do believe in government assistance for those with pre existing conditions and those that are needy. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege. People shouldn't go bankrupt when disease strikes, it can really cripple families financially (and I have experienced that first hand).

Where is rationing the bill? Truth be told, we would be better off cost control wise if we actually did ration care. Its no where in the bill though.
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They struck down an anti-rationing amendment, and I believe other users have said rationing is on pages 26 (starts there). I will have to look more into it, but I have read other users posts where they cite sources that show rationing is in the bill[/quote]

Not according to the CBO analysis of it.



I am fine with allowing you to purchase insurance across state lines, but I don't believe that it would make any difference. Even states with very large insurance markets still have skyrocketing costs.
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I think the CBO is wrong, didn't they double count things and only look 10 years into the financial future with this? Why don't you think selling insurance across state lines won't make a difference? It ends monopoly and provides competition for other companies and other plans. One reason we have skyrocketing costs is because of malpractice insurance and extra precautions doctors have to take to prevent from being sued. There needs to be tort reform.

How did the government "takeover" healthcare with this bill? If you currently have insurance and are happy with it, you will see no difference at all in regards to your healthcare.[/QUOTE]
 
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digsbe said:
Actually I was, I am an independent, not a hard right conservative. I still didn't support that bill, but I do believe in government assistance for those with pre existing conditions and those that are needy. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege. People shouldn't go bankrupt when disease strikes, it can really cripple families financially (and I have experienced that first hand).


They struck down an anti-rationing amendment, and I believe other users have said rationing is on pages 26 (starts there). I will have to look more into it, but I have read other users posts where they cite sources that show rationing is in the bill
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There is some effectiveness evaluation requirements, but that is no different than what any insurer does. Being that insurance will still be provided through the private sector, how is it that the federal government is going to "ration care"?

I think the CBO is wrong, didn't they double count things and only look 10 years into the financial future with this? Why don't you think selling insurance across state lines won't make a difference? It ends monopoly and provides competition for other companies and other plans. One reason we have skyrocketing costs is because of malpractice insurance and extra precautions doctors have to take to prevent from being sued. There needs to be tort reform.
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The majority of states have already passed tort reform. Moreover, what good would federal tort reform do when the vast, vast, vast majority of malpractice cases are litigated in the state courts?

Several years ago I worked for a very large plaintiffs law firm. The firm had a caseload of around 900 to 1200 cases a month. Of those, around 3 to 5 were malpractice cases. There are very few frivolous malpractice lawsuits. The reason being is that med malpractice cases are very expensive to litigate due to all of the research involved and expert testimony. Plaintiffs lawyers only take really good malpractice cases. If a firm loses a couple of malpractice cases, most likely they will end up in bankruptcy. If a doctor is sued for malpractice, most likely they really screwed up and there is a really good case against them. Do you really want to live in a world where, say a doctor can show up drunk for surgery, kill your kid, and at most only be sued for a few grand? If cases are not worth much, no lawyer will take them. I am not saying that defensive medicine is not a problem, but malpractice suits are not a bad thing either.
 
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No, I don't think the Republicans have the backbone, nor the wherewithal, to unravel any government bureaucracy. Government is like the expanding Universe. The only thing that will stop it is the utter collapse of a Black Hole.
 
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jamesrage said:
Listening to some of the talk show host they seem to be under the impression that this will cost a lot of democrats their seats and somehow the republicans will repeal this. So I decided to ask ask this question-

If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?


I say no. I think a lot of these politicians say one thing and do another for votes.
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I say no, but they will use this hot button topic to get themselves back into power, at which point they will do nothing but extract the money from the system the democrats created, all the while blaming the democrats. Two sides of the same coin.

It's becoming so predictable that it's laughable, except I can't laugh, because I am disturbed at how few people realize they are being hustled by both of their parties.
 
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jamesrage said:
… If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform? …
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They certainly can try and repeal it; more likely they would attempt a selective repeal and hope that it never emerges from the Senate.
 
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jamesrage said:
Listening to some of the talk show host they seem to be under the impression that this will cost a lot of democrats their seats and somehow the republicans will repeal this. So I decided to ask ask this question-

If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?


I say no. I think a lot of these politicians say one thing and do another for votes.
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Y'know for me the question is how is the government going to enforce this whole deal? Is this another prohibition of alcohol concept in the sense that it cannot possibly be enforced and will be rampant with fraud leading to it's repeal?
 
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Mystery21 said:
We can only hope that the Republicans come back get the majority. The only reason that it passed is because Obama bribed several people.
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LOL You all make me laugh. :rofl
 
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liblady said:
seriously, stop skipping class.
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You are cracking me up. It's more like, "Please go back to class. Recess is over."
 
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aps said:
LOL You all make me laugh. :rofl
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Actually that part is true though. :mrgreen:
 
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Orion said:
I say no, but they will use this hot button topic to get themselves back into power, at which point they will do nothing but extract the money from the system the democrats created, all the while blaming the democrats. Two sides of the same coin.

It's becoming so predictable that it's laughable, except I can't laugh, because I am disturbed at how few people realize they are being hustled by both of their parties.
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Probably the best comment in this thread.
 
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Orion said:
I say no, but they will use this hot button topic to get themselves back into power, at which point they will do nothing but extract the money from the system the democrats created, all the while blaming the democrats. Two sides of the same coin.

It's becoming so predictable that it's laughable, except I can't laugh, because I am disturbed at how few people realize they are being hustled by both of their parties.
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That is true. The Republicans have to use something to gain momentum going into the midterm elections or otherwise they'll lose.
 
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I'm not really sure about this since the Republicans I know are split over this. I think it would be better for the Republican party if they didn't since I think it would be very hard to pass a new Health Care reform bill. And if they repeal the act and then don't create one of their own I think that will severly hurt them politically. However, if the Republicans get a majority by campaigning that they will repeal it and they don't they probably won't stay in office to long. The Republicans would be in a tough situation in my opinion but I don't see them getting a majority... well a significant majority like the Democrats have now, in the next election.
 
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Zyphlin said:
It is entirely different than mandated auto-insurance. No one HAS to buy auto-insurance or suffer a penalty. They can choose to live in an area they can bike to where they need to go or could take public transportation. They can avoid having a car and driving, thus not needing to buy health insurance. That isn't the case with this. Simply having a body, simply EXISTING, is enough in this congresses mind to force you to purchase something under threat of the law.
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Can you avoid getting sick?
 
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Hatuey said:
Can you avoid getting sick?
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No, but you can decline to participate in the health insurance market.
 
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RightinNYC said:
No, but you can decline to participate in the health insurance market.
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Until just before (but not just after) you get sick. This makes you a freeloader.

We simply can't sustain our health system when only sick people are paying into it. Insurance can't work without healthy people in the pool. That's just the way it is. If you want there to be insurance around when you get old and more likely to get sick, you need to start paying for it now.
 
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misterman said:
Until just before (but not just after) you get sick. This makes you a freeloader.

We simply can't sustain our health system when only sick people are paying into it. Insurance can't work without healthy people in the pool. That's just the way it is. If you want there to be insurance around when you get old and more likely to get sick, you need to start paying for it now.
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Even when you get sick, there's nothing forcing you to participate in the health insurance market.

If you're worried about people being freeloaders by waiting until they're sick before taking advantage of the insurance regulations, then that sounds like a problem with the way the insurance regulations are drafted.
 
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misterman said:
Until just before (but not just after) you get sick. This makes you a freeloader.

We simply can't sustain our health system when only sick people are paying into it. Insurance can't work without healthy people in the pool. That's just the way it is. If you want there to be insurance around when you get old and more likely to get sick, you need to start paying for it now.
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The problem with this model is factoring in individual responsibility for lifestyle choices. Should a clean living, non-smoking occasional drinker, who eats a healthy diet, is optimal weight, and exercises regularly, have to pay higher rates for a open heart bypass surgery for an obese smoker who eats at McDonalds regularly and never exercises?
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
The problem with this model is factoring in individual responsibility for lifestyle choices. Should a clean living, non-smoking occasional drinker, who eats a healthy diet, is optimal weight, and exercises regularly, have to pay higher rates for a open heart bypass surgery for an obese smoker who eats at McDonalds regularly and never exercises?
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They should pay the same rate. That's the way group insurance works.
 
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