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Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

Who'll Be Watching the House Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?


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11:30 pm et, 216 aye votes pass the reconciliation bill … on to the Senate!
 
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In a word: WRONG. The Commerce Clause is not a catch-all for whatever business you feel like regulating.

Watch and learn.

You swore to protect it once -- too bad you don't know what is in it.

And yet, it sounds like you are the one who doesn't understand. Many Constitutional experts believe this bill is quite Constitutional, specifically because of the commerce clause. Check it out. You may find it enlightening. Won't it be a kick in the pants when it is challenged and SCOTUS chooses to not even hear it? :2wave:
 
Speaker Pelosi added to her considerable legacy tonight.

She is probably one of the best Speakers of the House to ever hold the job. Ever.

Kudos to her!
:good_job: :bravo: :cheers:
 
We're not talking about positive change. We're talking about wrecking the health care industry and spending our country into the toilet. And yes, we are screwed.


And yet the CBO report says this will reduce our deficit over time.
 
11:46 pm et — President Obama delivers a statement in the East Room of the White House.
 
She is probably one of the best Speakers of the House to ever hold the job. Ever.

Kudos to her!
:good_job: :bravo: :cheers:

She is one of the most disgraceful human beings in a Congress full of disgraceful human beings from both parties.
 
Watch and learn.
How about if you read and learn instead? Yeah, that's a much better solution to your problem.

And yet, it sounds like you are the one who doesn't understand. Many Constitutional experts believe this bill is quite Constitutional, specifically because of the commerce clause. Check it out. You may find it enlightening.
Link to one.
Won't it be a kick in the pants when it is challenged and SCOTUS chooses to not even hear it? :2wave:
Are you so grossly ignorant of the process that you think denying cert says anything about constitutionality?

:rofl
 
“This is what change looks like.” — President Obama, tonight​

A truly historic night it was!
 
12:01 am et, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democratic House leadership hold a press conference.
 
It isn't worth it.
I've tried talking to these people in a respectful manner, tried to use facts.

The reasoning centers of their brains are shut off to facts.

Almost always do they revert to "Republicans suxor", "Historic blah" and other such lame talking points.
Probably right.

Well, the Constitution was pretty nice while it lasted. :shrug:
 
“For all of you who have pursued all of us, we had the votes.” — Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, tonight​

“I consider this to be the civil rights bill of the 21st century.” — Majority Whip James Clyburn, tonight​
 
It isn't worth it.
I've tried talking to these people in a respectful manner, tried to use facts.

The reasoning centers of their brains are shut off to facts.

Almost always do they revert to "Republicans suxor", "Historic blah" and other such lame talking points.

Probably right.

Well, the Constitution was pretty nice while it lasted. :shrug:

HG, you forgot the "constitution is ruined" rhetoric. The over the top crap is there on both sides.
 
12:01 am et, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democratic House leadership hold a press conference.

Her laugh maybe the worst thing to ever come out of some one's mouth. Also her pool joke, yeah that wasn't funny.
 
HG, you forgot the "constitution is ruined" rhetoric. The over the top crap is there on both sides.

I agree with that, I think the doom and gloom is a bit over the top.

If anything, "The Constitution" has been ignored for far longer than this.
It should be no surprise to opponents.
 
HG, you forgot the "constitution is ruined" rhetoric. The over the top crap is there on both sides.
If you are implying that I think that this is the very first assault upon the Constitution, you would be mistaken.
 
Well, that's a wrap. It was a good debate. I am proud of the House. I am proud of my representative.
 
I'm reminded of nothing so much as Chris Rock's description of the OJ Trial:

"[Democrats] too happy, [Republicans] too sad."

This bill doesn't end healthcare as we know it, sound the death knell of our democracy, or destroy the Constitution. It also doesn't make health care a right, decrease the number of uninsured until 2014, or do much of anything to control overall health care costs.
 
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I am your neighbour to the north. What happens in your country has some effect on ours.

And also, I'm a humanitarian. I'm a South African born and raised who's seen more suffering, poverty and deprevation, desperation, death, corruption and broken government then you will ever ever see in your life time. I think people across this planet, deserve a decent life, and part of that is access to decent health care.

What was it like before Mandela took over?......:confused:
 
I'm reminded of nothing so much as Chris Rock's description of the OJ Trial:

"[Democrats] too happy, [Republicans] too sad."

This bill doesn't end healthcare as we know it, sound the death knell of our democracy, or destroy the Constitution. It also doesn't make health care a right, decrease the number of uninsured until 2014, or do much of anything to control overall health care costs.

As soon as the President signs this bill:

  1. Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
  2. Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
  3. Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
  4. Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
  5. A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
  6. Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
  7. A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
  8. A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
FACTBOX-US healthcare bill would provide immediate benefits | Reuters

You'll note there are SIX (6) different ways that this bill will immediately start to DECREASE the number of uninsured people compared to if the bill had not been passed.
 
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As soon as the President signs this bill:

  1. Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
  2. Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
  3. Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
  4. Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
  5. A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
  6. Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
  7. A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
  8. A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
FACTBOX-US healthcare bill would provide immediate benefits | Reuters

You'll note there are SIX (6) different ways that this bill will immediately start to DECREASE the number of uninsured people compared to if the bill had not been passed.

And yet despite all that, the CBO says that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years. So either the CBO is full of idiots, or maybe, just maybe, those provisions won't have the impact on the number of uninsured that you think they will.

edit: Rather than copy-pasting entire chunks from other articles, why don't you only include the relevant things? Unless of course you're arguing that a 10% tax on suntanning will prompt people to go out and sign up for health insurance.
 
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And yet despite all that, the CBO says that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years.

In order to have a deficit reduction plan, it was necessary for the majority of benefits to begin after 4 years of building the funds to implement them.

We could petition the government for higher taxes for the upper income classes to enable the majority of benefits to begin sooner if you wish.

Some will benefit however soon after the bill is signed by the President:

"-- Small business tax credits. From 2010 through 2013, qualifying small companies could get a tax credit of up to 35 percent of the company's contribution to employee's health coverage. Beginning in 2014, when the exchanges start up, small businesses could qualify for up to 50 percent of the cost.

-- Coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. Soon after enactment, people with pre-existing conditions who haven't had coverage for at least six months could obtain coverage through a "high-risk pool" with subsidized premiums. This would be a temporary solution until the exchanges begin in 2014.

-- Assistance for early retirees. Starting in 2010, a temporary reinsurance program will help cut the cost of health coverage for retirees not old enough to be eligible for Medicare.

-- Dependent coverage to age 26. Shortly after enactment, all insurers will have to accept dependent coverage for children up to age 26.

-- No more rescissions. Existing plans would no longer be able to terminate beneficiaries when they get sick.

-- Enhanced preventive care. Soon after enactment, qualified health plans would have to provide certain preventive services without cost-sharing. Starting in 2011, patient cost-sharing for preventive services under Medicare and Medicaid will be eliminated."

PolitiFact | Tiahrt: Health care bill will collect 10 years of taxes for six years of services
 
In order to have a deficit reduction plan, it was necessary for the majority of benefits to begin after 4 years of building the funds to implement them.

We could petition the government for higher taxes for the upper income classes to enable the majority of benefits to begin sooner if you wish.

Some will benefit however soon after the bill is signed by the President:

"-- Small business tax credits. From 2010 through 2013, qualifying small companies could get a tax credit of up to 35 percent of the company's contribution to employee's health coverage. Beginning in 2014, when the exchanges start up, small businesses could qualify for up to 50 percent of the cost.

-- Coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. Soon after enactment, people with pre-existing conditions who haven't had coverage for at least six months could obtain coverage through a "high-risk pool" with subsidized premiums. This would be a temporary solution until the exchanges begin in 2014.

-- Assistance for early retirees. Starting in 2010, a temporary reinsurance program will help cut the cost of health coverage for retirees not old enough to be eligible for Medicare.

-- Dependent coverage to age 26. Shortly after enactment, all insurers will have to accept dependent coverage for children up to age 26.

-- No more rescissions. Existing plans would no longer be able to terminate beneficiaries when they get sick.

-- Enhanced preventive care. Soon after enactment, qualified health plans would have to provide certain preventive services without cost-sharing. Starting in 2011, patient cost-sharing for preventive services under Medicare and Medicaid will be eliminated."

PolitiFact | Tiahrt: Health care bill will collect 10 years of taxes for six years of services

So in response to my point that the number of uninsured people will remain at 50 million for the next four years, you're copy pasting a list that essentially reiterates the entirely non-responsive points made by ADK Forever?
 
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