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Who'll Be Watching the Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?

Who'll Be Watching the House Health Care Reform Debate on Sunday?


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Here we go again. Another sob story but nothing of substance. We must pass it for people who are sick without insurance. OK I understand we need reform, but this bill is ****.
 
I don't care how long it takes, just as long as this bill is shot down.
 
Now God has been brought into it, lol. I am a Christan but MAN. Vote yes and make America proud, LMAO!
 
I just turned it of after they were fighting over 10 seconds to ask a question to an opposition member who couldn't hear.

I hope they vote down this POS.
 
Yea it is getting pretty funny. I expect a fist fight and war between New York and California, lol.
 
Well, one of you post the final results when they are in, I am going to do some reading.
 
Republicans scored points by reminding people that the Senate bill will be law with all the unseemly deals contained within it if passed by the House today and once the President signs it.
 
Republicans scored points by reminding people that the Senate bill will be law with all the unseemly deals contained within it if passed by the House today and once the President signs it.

Unfortunately the people have no real voice in this now.
 
Are the Democrats and Obama even acknowledging the protesters? Or are they walled up in their arrogance and pushing damaging legislation because the spoiled one demands it. If this passes it will be struck down in court, and you'll see Republican's flocking into the House in November.
 
Are the Democrats and Obama even acknowledging the protesters? Or are they walled up in their arrogance and pushing damaging legislation because the spoiled one demands it. If this passes it will be struck down in court, and you'll see Republican's flocking into the House in November.

FWIW, I don't see any reason for them to acknowledge the protesters. I also very much doubt any challenge will be successful, though I certainly agree about November.
 
FWIW, I don't see any reason for them to acknowledge the protesters. I also very much doubt any challenge will be successful, though I certainly agree about November.

Well, the legal argument right now is that they say it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to buy health insurance and to fine people for not having it. The states also are going to file law suits because it forces them to add more to their budgets in a time where no one can afford to do so. I think there is a strong case for the legal battle, so long as their isn't court corruption. It is unconstitutional to force everyone to buy a private service or fine them for not buying it. I can't wait for November, although I would imagine some of these Dems know they are done and have been promised sweet deals by Obama.
 
Are the Democrats and Obama even acknowledging the protesters? Or are they walled up in their arrogance and pushing damaging legislation because the spoiled one demands it. If this passes it will be struck down in court, and you'll see Republican's flocking into the House in November.

You mean like when the congress and president ignored the anti Iraq war protesters? Those arrogant conservatives....

November will be interesting, but I doubt it will be health care that is the big issue come November. The economy will be the issue that I believe most voters will vote on, and it's too early to say for sure what that will be like. Something to remember: not 6 months ago, some liberals where talking about how the Republican party was basically in disarray and no longer a factor in US politics. Things change fast in politics.
 
You mean like when the congress and president ignored the anti Iraq war protesters? Those arrogant conservatives....

November will be interesting, but I doubt it will be health care that is the big issue come November. The economy will be the issue that I believe most voters will vote on, and it's too early to say for sure what that will be like. Something to remember: not 6 months ago, some liberals where talking about how the Republican party was basically in disarray and no longer a factor in US politics. Things change fast in politics.

National security is different from healthcare and economic policy. The majority of Americans supported the war on terror, we can't just pull out because many decided to pull their support for it. Regardless, if you are saying it was wrong for Bush not to pull out because the majority no longer supported it is it also wrong for Obama to push this when the majority doesn't want it?

I agree that the economy will be a big issue, but healthcare will be an important one too. If the Republicans run on the fact that the Democrats and the Obama administration have pushed the debt through the roof and how they ignored the people and passed this healthcare legislation, I think they Republicans have a strong chance of winning many seats. Things do change quickly in politics, but when people will remember what is going on now and they will certainly remember when their insurance premiums go up or have to buy a more expensive policy because the government told them to. Obama won because people remembered Bush's bad decisions and listened to Obama's hollow rhetoric. People will also remember Obama's debt rising policies and this bill that is trying to be passed against the will of the American people.
 
Sparks are flying on the floor.

Good Heaven, they'd better be careful. There's enough hairspray in that room to set the entire building a blaze from one spark!

Rep GK Butterfield looks like a butterball turkey. :lol:
 
National security is different from healthcare and economic policy. The majority of Americans supported the war on terror, we can't just pull out because many decided to pull their support for it. Regardless, if you are saying it was wrong for Bush not to pull out because the majority no longer supported it is it also wrong for Obama to push this when the majority doesn't want it?

We are getting off topic, but I mentioned the war in Iraq, which had exactly jack and **** to do with national security. My point was that it was not wrong for Bush to ignore those protesters, nor is it wrong for Obama to ignore these. It's reaching for something to bitch about to call Obama arrogant for ignoring them while they carry out the business of the day.

I agree that the economy will be a big issue, but healthcare will be an important one too. If the Republicans run on the fact that the Democrats and the Obama administration have pushed the debt through the roof and how they ignored the people and passed this healthcare legislation, I think they Republicans have a strong chance of winning many seats. Things do change quickly in politics, but when people will remember what is going on now and they will certainly remember when their insurance premiums go up or have to buy a more expensive policy because the government told them to. Obama won because people remembered Bush's bad decisions and listened to Obama's hollow rhetoric. People will also remember Obama's debt rising policies and this bill that is trying to be passed against the will of the American people.

Democrats have been in a bad situation with this. Pass it and piss of the right, or not pass it and piss off their base.
 
Well, the legal argument right now is that they say it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to buy health insurance and to fine people for not having it. The states also are going to file law suits because it forces them to add more to their budgets in a time where no one can afford to do so. I think there is a strong case for the legal battle, so long as their isn't court corruption. It is unconstitutional to force everyone to buy a private service or fine them for not buying it. I can't wait for November, although I would imagine some of these Dems know they are done and have been promised sweet deals by Obama.

I disagree about the strength of the state challenges, precisely because it's not structured as a fine but rather a tax.

Balkinization
 
Watching them spend a minute arguing about whether some one had used 5 seconds of their time was surreal.

Since it looks like this is going to pass, where is theprof to declare health care reform dead again?
 
We are getting off topic, but I mentioned the war in Iraq, which had exactly jack and **** to do with national security. My point was that it was not wrong for Bush to ignore those protesters, nor is it wrong for Obama to ignore these. It's reaching for something to bitch about to call Obama arrogant for ignoring them while they carry out the business of the day.



Democrats have been in a bad situation with this. Pass it and piss of the right, or not pass it and piss off their base.

They have already pissed off their base by removing the public option. The hard left don't support this and they see it as craving into the special interests of insurance companies.

I disagree about the strength of the state challenges, precisely because it's not structured as a fine but rather a tax.

Balkinization

I agree that the states don't have as strong as an argument, but the fact that it isn't constitutional to force people to buy a private service has a very strong argument behind it. Although it depends on if the courts recognize this or not.
 
I have been watching it all afternoon. Better than watching the Houston Astros, who really, really suck this year. LOL.

Almost time for the vote.
 
It is unconstitutional to force everyone to buy a private service or fine them for not buying it.

Now I am not a legal scholar here, but how is it that mandated auto insurance would not have been shot down by the same lack of constitutionality then?
 
I have been watching it all afternoon. Better than watching the Houston Astros, who really, really suck this year. LOL.

Almost time for the vote.

I agree it is like watching baseball...
 
Jerrold Nadler NY: “This health insurance package, despite real inadequacies, solves real problems. A yes vote will save 45,000 lives per year. Bankruptcies will be athing of the past, capping out of pocket expenses, nobody will go broke because they get sick.”

Liveblog ? House Floor Debate On Health Care Bill (Two) | FDL Action

What the **** is he talking about? Is there some bizarro bill that I've never heard of that would eliminate medical bankruptcies?

Such a douchebag.
 
Now I am not a legal scholar here, but how is it that mandated auto insurance would not have been shot down by the same lack of constitutionality then?

Auto insurance mandates come from the states.
 
They have already pissed off their base by removing the public option. The hard left don't support this and they see it as craving into the special interests of insurance companies.

Nah, most of us realize the need for reform, the futility of expecting republicans to do anything about it, and the reality that a perfect bill will not happen. I got real problems with this bill, but at this point, after 30 years of trying for real health care reform going back to Nixon, I think at least something is being done, and maybe we can improve it in the years to come.
 
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