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Tea Party or Coffee Party?

Which "Party" Do You Agree With More?


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Which "party" do you agree with more and why? And have you or are you willing to join these groups and march with them to fix this country?


Tea Party:
"An ongoing, nationwide effort by grassroots protesters, a collection of individuals and self-organizing groups, all united in accomplishing a single goal: returning fiscal responsibility and limited government to the United States through the exercise of political activism. The main focus of the TEA Party Movement is a rebuke of outrageous mandates, overreaching and out of control spending by an out of touch federal government.

All of the rallies are in protest of the generational theft of public tax monies, the tremendous extensions of United States Federal debt and authority, the apparent restructuring of the Federal government with the intent to contravene the system of checks and balances for which the Constitution provides, and the attempt, which some movement leaders say has been in progress for several decades, to sacrifice liberty for permanent dependency"
(Tea Party Movement - Conservapedia)

** Note: I use Conservapedia because I felt if explains well what the Tea Party movement is about. More below...

Tea Party Core Values: (More info at: core values or Tea Party Patriots - Official Home of the American Tea Party Movement)
- Fiscal Responsibility
- Constitutionally Limited Government
- Free Markets



Coffee Party:
"Its mission states that it is based on the underlying principle that the government is 'not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges we face as Americans.' Its slogan is 'Wake Up and Stand Up'. Its stated goals include getting cooperation in government and removing corporate influence from politics." ([ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Party_USA]Coffee Party USA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame])

** Note: Again, I felt wikipedia summed up the group well. More below...

"Coffee Party USA aims to reinvigorate the public sphere, drawing from diverse backgrounds and diverse perspectives, with the goal of expanding the influence of the People in America's political arena. We do not require nor adhere to any preexisting ideology. We encourage deliberation guided by reason amongst the many viewpoints held by our members. We see our diversity as a strength, not a weakness, because we believe that faithful deliberation from multiple vantage points is the best way to achieve the common good. It is in the responsible and reasonable practice of deliberation that we hope to contribute to society.

We want a society in which democracy is treated as sacrosanct and ordinary citizens participate out of a sense of civic duty, civic pride, and a desire to contribute to society. The Coffee Party is a call to action. Our Founding Fathers and Mothers gave us an enduring gift — Democracy — and we must use it to meet the challenges that we face as a nation." (Coffee Party | Wake Up and Stand Up)
 
I recently discovered the Coffee Party. So far it sounds great and I like the message. As long as it stays grassroots... They can call me a supporter!
 
I dunno.. The Coffee Party seems so copycat on the other level to me. Until I learn and hear more? I will not be jumping on any Coffee Bandwagon if they are some extreme people. What we need is a middle of the road thing and this is clearly not it.

How about Middle Ground? Where is that Party? Now is the time for a strong 3rd party to emerge from being buried! RISE!!!!!!
 
I had to go with neither. Until either one gets a platform beyond feelgood soundbites I don't see myself attaching myself to either. Both have some valid points, but are short on the details and the "hows" of what they want.
 
I dunno.. The Coffee Party seems so copycat on the other level to me. Until I learn and hear more? I will not be jumping on any Coffee Bandwagon if they are some extreme people. What we need is a middle of the road thing and this is clearly not it.

How about Middle Ground? Where is that Party? Now is the time for a strong 3rd party to emerge from being buried! RISE!!!!!!

I provided more information about the Coffee Party including some links to check out in my post. You can also find more on YouTube (YouTube - coffeepartyusa's Channel), facebook, twitter, and there are some videos and articles on CNN.com as well.

I agree with you though... we do need a middle of the road approach to our governmental issues; however I personally believe that the Coffee Party is more middle of the road than the Tea Party. The Tea Party pushes smaller government, more market control and less taxes... all mostly conservative views. But if you agree with those viewpoints, more power to ya. :)
 
Tea party. .
 
I would have liked the Coffee Party, but it seems like its just a response to something else. I think the Tea Party movement is ridiculous, but the one thing I will give it credit for is its grass-roots base.


I would suggest a rum & coke party if possible ... :mrgreen:
 
This is about as complex and revealing as asking "liberal or conservative?"
 
coffee party
 
How about Vodka party too?
 
This is about as complex and revealing as asking "liberal or conservative?"

Maybe. We'll see what direction these parties take in the coming months or year(s), but they both claim to not have a political leaning.

I consider myself to be moderate, and though I agree with the Tea Party in reducing our debt and reducing our deficit, I still believe that big government is not the issue... government that doesn't work is the issue.

It seems to me that the more money you pour into something the better that thing will be... but clearly that is not the case for our government.

Of course we need to get rid of government programs that do not work, but I am against deregulation of the capitalist system. Deregulation allows more companies to make unethical decisions, all the while their customers do not know what they are doing behind closed doors... so how exactly is the market supposed to regulate itself? Only regulations can give consumers protection from unethical choices by businesses.
 
Do the coffee cats also have racism as a central pillar of their politics or is that just the tea party folks?
 
As a political party I don't think I'd follow either. As redress said, there's not a TON of substance there.

That said, while not detailed, the Tea Party does have actual stated policy goals through their recent "Contract from America" voting. While not amazingly detailed it allows me to see more specifically the type of policy and legislation this movement would wish to see.

So far I have no seen such from the Coffee party, but would be willing to see it if I'm wrong. Their group has been even more rhetoric filled than the tea parties. Just on their basic stand point I find myself disinterested in them but would be willing to see something a bit more specific.

As of now I'd identify far more strongly with the Tea Party.

Apparently according to faminedynasty that must mean I hate black people. But you know, naturally its not people that make such ignorant and broadly idiotic assertions about large groups of people as he does that are problems in this country but people that dare to speak their mind. :roll:
 
Do the coffee cats also have racism as a central pillar of their politics or is that just the tea party folks?



yeah, slander your opposition. That should work. :doh



BTW, I am hoping to see hazlnut, ADK, DD, and the whole slew of left wingers who harped on for months about how (falsley) the tea party was illegitimate because it was supposedly started by FOX NEWS, come in here and not look like raging hypocrites
 
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I am looking at their website and reading an interview with their founder and these coffee guys look amazing. One of my biggest problems with the tea party is that it looks like they want to fundamentally reshape the country to be something that it isn't and has never been. Our history is one of multiple cultures and backgrounds finding ways to move forward despite our differences, not a perfect ideal that we have continually deviated from since our founding.

The coffee party appears to try and be inclusive and sensitive to multiple viewpoints in an effort to reach consensus. At least that's what I am getting from this interview. This movement seems to recognize what the US is actually about and what makes it a good country. I cannot see why anyone could be against that.

My hope is that this movement grows and achieves the needed changes that will bring government back to the people that Obama seems unable to do. Time will tell.

Interview: FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Coffee Party Founder: Disappointed in OFA
 
I am looking at their website and reading an interview with their founder and these coffee guys look amazing. One of my biggest problems with the tea party is that it looks like they want to fundamentally reshape the country to be something that it isn't and has never been. Our history is one of multiple cultures and backgrounds finding ways to move forward despite our differences, not a perfect ideal that we have continually deviated from since our founding.


Please be specific.

examples?
 
I am looking at their website and reading an interview with their founder and these coffee guys look amazing. One of my biggest problems with the tea party is that it looks like they want to fundamentally reshape the country to be something that it isn't and has never been. Our history is one of multiple cultures and backgrounds finding ways to move forward despite our differences, not a perfect ideal that we have continually deviated from since our founding.

The coffee party appears to try and be inclusive and sensitive to multiple viewpoints in an effort to reach consensus. At least that's what I am getting from this interview. This movement seems to recognize what the US is actually about and what makes it a good country. I cannot see why anyone could be against that.

My hope is that this movement grows and achieves the needed changes that will bring government back to the people that Obama seems unable to do. Time will tell.

Interview: FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Coffee Party Founder: Disappointed in OFA
Please tell me what our country isn't.
 
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" it looks like they want to fundamentally reshape the country to be something that it isn't and has never been."

That topic is so broad that I think one can only speak in generalities since it would be possible to boil down the entire history of the united states into a forum post. So sorry, I would like to be more specific, but I think its not possible. But if you look at the history of our country, there has always been a dynamic between right and left, even from the founding fathers. The fact is that the constitution is the product of compromise and there has never been 100% agreement on the policies of this country. If you look at stuff like the 9/12 project and the common rhetoric that most conservatives has, it is among the line of "we are true americans and liberals are usurpers" when the fact is that the population has always been trying to pull the country in different directions.
 
That topic is so broad that I think one can only speak in generalities since it would be possible to boil down the entire history of the united states into a forum post. So sorry, I would like to be more specific, but I think its not possible. But if you look at the history of our country, there has always been a dynamic between right and left, even from the founding fathers. The fact is that the constitution is the product of compromise and there has never been 100% agreement on the policies of this country. If you look at stuff like the 9/12 project and the common rhetoric that most conservatives has, it is among the line of "we are true americans and liberals are usurpers" when the fact is that the population has always been trying to pull the country in different directions.




So you don't have anything and just made that comment flippantly....


concession noted.




Small representative government, was the ideals of the FF's, Tea party members want this.

Liberty is a cornerstone of what the FF envisioned. Tea party members want this.
 
So you don't have anything and just made that comment flippantly....

concession noted.

Small representative government, was the ideals of the FF's, Tea party members want this.

Liberty is a cornerstone of what the FF envisioned. Tea party members want this.

What the FF's wanted is one thing, but the reality of the country is something different. Nice attempt at mischaracterizing my response though.
 
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