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Is killing a human always a bad thing?

Is killing a human always a bad thing?


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In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

Is it so?

Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
 
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In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

Is it so?

Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.

Karmically, it's usually a bad thing. It depends on the motivation. If someone kills a human who is about to kill others and does so out of a motivation of compassion for all then the killing is less harmful to the altruistic killer.
 
Karmically, it's usually a bad thing. It depends on the motivation. If someone kills a human who is about to kill others and does so out of a motivation of compassion for all then the killing is less harmful to the altruistic killer.
But is there no situation when the person killing the other person is suffering from zero karma's harm?
 
In a moral or legal context?

Fundamentally as all humans have the right to life, it is always bad to take the life of another human. That doesn't necessarily mean you aren't justified in doing so (i.e. that it will always come with jail time). But the act in and of itself is always a bad thing. You've taken something which can't be given back and infringed upon the most basic of all human rights.
 
Absolutely not. Even if I consult my religion it says you shall not murder.

Murder is always killing, killing is not always murder.
 
In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

Is it so?

Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.

Killing a human is not always a bad thing and is sometimes justified. If you do not have sympathy for scum then executing scum on death row is a good thing. If a burglar breaks into your home then killing that burglar is not a bad thing. If you stop a serial killer or mass murderer then killing is a good thing. If you stop a someone from raping someone else then killing is not a bad thing. And I am sure there are plenty of other examples where killing another human is not a bad thing. Heck I suppose that If you are an abortionist then in the mind of abortionist killing unborn children in the womb is a good thing.
 
Absolutely not. Even if I consult my religion it says you shall not murder.

Murder is always killing, killing is not always murder.

Your god has said a lot of things. My observation is that humans have twisted the meanings to fit their individual likings. At heart, Jesus wasn't about fighting back and killing people, but rather for trying to accept and understand other humans and their feeling and their desires. Learning to live along with each other, not destroy each other. Judge not less ye be judged.
 
But is there no situation when the person killing the other person is suffering from zero karma's harm?


No. There are always consequences. A great bodhisattva may have pure motivation for killing but still have to suffer the hell realms for killing a human being.

A great bodhisattva wouldn't experience the hell realms in the same way an ordinary being would. That kind of compassion and altruistic motivation has positive karma connected with it too.
 
No. There are always consequences. A great bodhisattva may have pure motivation for killing but still have to suffer the hell realms for killing a human being.

I don't believe in karma, but I understand this principle.

Basically I view this question as very interesting because it can get to the heart of what people think of others. People who can easily discard the humanity of others will think it is possible that killing is a good thing. Those who will always recognize the humanity of all cannot see it as ever being a good thing.
 
in certain situations it is probably the best thing to do, but that dosent make it a good thing
 
in certain situations it is probably the best thing to do, but that dosent make it a good thing
I have made sure to clarify that is not the question in the OP.
 
Perfectly acceptable....;)
In fact, there is not enough....;)
 
Your god has said a lot of things. My observation is that humans have twisted the meanings to fit their individual likings. At heart, Jesus wasn't about fighting back and killing people, but rather for trying to accept and understand other humans and their feeling and their desires. Learning to live along with each other, not destroy each other. Judge not less ye be judged.

Jesus was absolutely about fighting back at the correct time. He said everything in it's time.

He was about understanding and helping your fellow man, not about being a victim.

What this has to do with judging I have not a clue.

Please don't try and tell me about my religion. I know it allot better than you.
 
In a moral or legal context?

Fundamentally as all humans have the right to life, it is always bad to take the life of another human. That doesn't necessarily mean you aren't justified in doing so (i.e. that it will always come with jail time). But the act in and of itself is always a bad thing. You've taken something which can't be given back and infringed upon the most basic of all human rights.

If that crazed Islamic is coming at me with my death utmost in his mind, then I will try to kill him, I have no other choice.
This is war, not peacetime.
Will man ever live in peace?
no:(
 
If that crazed Islamic is coming at me with my death utmost in his mind, then I will try to kill him, I have no other choice.
This is war, not peacetime.
Will man ever live in peace?no:(

Yes. When all beings have been fully enlightened.:2wave:
 
As cold as this sounds, when I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer had been killed in jail, I was happy.

If I found out that Scott Peterson was killed, I'd be happy.

If I found out that the pediatrician who molested over 100 kids was killed, I'd be elated.

There are circumstances where I would celebrate someone being killed when that someone was what I considered "evil." That usually involves a person who has inflicted terrible things onto others.

I'd be lying if I said otherwise. This is how I truly feel.
 
Sometimes it is necessary, and thus is not a bad thing.
 
As cold as this sounds, when I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer had been killed in jail, I was happy.

If I found out that Scott Peterson was killed, I'd be happy.

If I found out that the pediatrician who molested over 100 kids was killed, I'd be elated.

There are circumstances where I would celebrate someone being killed when that someone was what I considered "evil." That usually involves a person who has inflicted terrible things onto others.

I'd be lying if I said otherwise. This is how I truly feel.

You're not alone. I wouldn't join you, but many people would.
 
Enlightenment is a subjective quality. There is no way to objectively determine actual "enlightenment". So I agree with earthworm.
Having no personal experience, I can't tell you what enlightenment is or isn't.

I can tell you about impermanence. Nothing in this universe is permanent. In the meantime, not knowing this, we human beings kill.
 
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If that crazed Islamic is coming at me with my death utmost in his mind, then I will try to kill him, I have no other choice.
This is war, not peacetime.
Will man ever live in peace?
no:(

That's not the question which was asked. It was not asked if you are justified. It asked if the act of killing a human is always bad.
 
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