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Miracle Marijuana

Should Medical Marijuana Be Legal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 78.4%
  • No

    Votes: 5 9.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 11.8%

  • Total voters
    51
Marijuana affects the mind. It CAN affect the mind of people to a level that will cause poor reaction skills in crisis situations when driving. Just because it can do this doesn't mean that it will happen every time, to every person, everytime they go in a car.
This is a true statement but so is this "Many things affect the mind. They CAN affect the mind of people to a level that will cause poor reaction skills in crisis situations when driving. Just because some things can do this doesn't mean that it will happen every time, to every person, every time they go in a car."
Therefore, using either of the above arguments against legalization/decrim is specious argumentation.

However, that doesn't mean its not good advise to tell people "Don't drive when you're high, its dangerous" because its unquestionably more dangerous driving while high then driving while completely sober without any distractions.
I never said it wasn't, in fact I clearly stated that in another post that it can be dangerous.

Likewise, while not everyone will have issues puking if its needed because of excess alcohol because they're high, it still has the potential for that and as such increases ones risk more so than may be necessary. Thus, similarly, suggesting to people not to get hammered and completely stoned is a reasonable suggestion to make because the potential for harm is increased more so than if you just drank or just got stoned.

No where has anyone said "If you smoke pot and drive you WILL get in a wreck" nor has anyone said "If you smoke pot and drink alcohol you will NOT be able to throw up".
You're wrong. It has been stated as fact and that's my beef with his argument.

They've stated these kind of things have the potential to happen based on the evidence found concerning the situations and as such people suggest not to put yourself into higher risk situations for no particularly good reason.
Then it should be stated as opinion based on ancedotal evidence as a personal warning, instead of stating it as fact. Savvy?

Now, I don't necessarily disagree with what you're position on giving a warning. The problem is when someone uses anecdotal evidence as fact, from which to make an opposition position.
 
Would you accept "cannot" as a substitute for "will not"?

No. Neither is accurate.



Well then, please do as I requested and provide the source of this scientific fact.

Here you go:

7. Cannabinoids in the Treatment of Nausea and Vomiting and Wasting Syndrome in HIV Infected Patients
Chemotherapy induced nausea and vomiting and AIDS related anorexia associated with weight loss are the only currently approved indications for the use of oral cannabinoids available in Canada (Marinol/dronabinol/D -9-THC, Cesamet/nabilone).
Nausea and vomiting are produced by excitation of one or a number of triggers in the gastrointestinal tract, brainstem and higher brain centers. There are numerous cannabinoid receptors in the nucleus of the solitary tract, a brain center important in control of emesis (vomiting) (Herkenham, 1995). Several cannabinoids have been tested as antiemetics, including THC (both D -9-THC and D -8-THC) and the synthetic cannabinoids nabilone and levonantrodol. Smoked marijuana has also been examined (reviewed in Joy 1999).
Most of the research has been done on THC and analogues (reviewed in Joy 1999). It has been concluded that cannabinoids are modest anti-emetics (anti-vomiting agents). There are more effective anti-emetic agents available, however antiemetics work through several mechanisms and cannabinoids may provide an additional option for treatment of nausea and vomiting that has not responded to other agents (Joy 1999). A Canadian oncology group has conducted a double-blind crossover placebo-controlled trial comparing smoked marijuana with oral THC. They examined the anti-emetic effects in a group of 20 patients who were receiving various chemotherapeutic drugs and found the degree of emetic control was similar. Twenty five percent of patients received complete control of emesis, 35% indicated a slight preference of the pill over the marijuana and 20% preferred marijuana, 45% expressed no preference (Levitt 1984).


Canadian Consortium For The Investigation Of Cannabinoids In Human Therapeutics (Ccic)

There are two reasons that marijuana can be a very effective anti-vomiting agent. Firstly, there are many cannabinoid receptors at the vomiting center of the brain, which creates this positive effect. Secondly, smoking marijuana bypasses the GI system entirely.


Marijuana users and Dr.'s can attest to the fact that it relieves NAUSEA, it does not prevent vomiting. This scientific fact has been proven and a synthetic form of THC has been created, tested and approved by the FDA to simulate the NAUSEA relief effects. :2wave:

Wrong. It does both. Your information is inaccurate.


No math needed, your "logic" fails because your proof is anecdotal while mine is viewable scientific fact.

Dronabinol is the International Nonproprietary Name (INN) for a pure isomer of THC, (-)-trans-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol, that is, the main isomer in cannabis.[11] It is sold as Marinol (a registered trademark of Solvay Pharmaceuticals). Dronabinol is also marketed, sold, and distributed by PAR Pharmaceutical Companies under the terms of a license and distribution agreement with SVC pharma LP, an affiliate of Rhodes Technologies.

Tetrahydrocannabinol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, I've shown that your position is not credible, now both through logic AND information.
 
No. Neither is accurate.
I'm glad that you can admit that you were wrong. I can accept that you disagree with my paraphrasing your "will NOT" with "cannot".

Here you go:
Nausea and vomiting are produced by excitation of one or a number of triggers in the gastrointestinal tract, brainstem and higher brain centers. There are numerous cannabinoid receptors in the nucleus of the solitary tract, a brain center important in control of emesis (vomiting) (Herkenham, 1995).
Thank you for proving me correct that smoking marijuana does not prevent you from being able to vomit. Marijuana helps relieve nausea and control of vomiting...

There are two reasons that marijuana can be a very effective anti-vomiting agent. Firstly, there are many cannabinoid receptors at the vomiting center of the brain, which creates this positive effect. Secondly, smoking marijuana bypasses the GI system entirely.
We've already established that it helps control vomiting.

Wrong. It does both. Your information is inaccurate.
Yes of course because if you can get your nausea under control you can control the vomiting. So great!

No, I've shown that your position is not credible, now both through logic AND information.
My position is that you have no scientific basis to claim drinking alcohol in excess and smoking marijuana will prevent you from vomiting the alcohol. So no you haven't. Nice try at the diversion though.
 
This is really ridiculous.

Marijuana can suppress the urge to vomit-which I see nobody is disputing.

vomiting is a necessary outlet for the body to purge itself from alcohol poisoning.

Therefore marijuana can interfere with the bodies ability to purge itself of excess alcohol by suppressing the urge to vomit.

Really this is not rocket science here.. A person has alcohol poisoning and the body needs to vomit to purge itself of toxins.. yet there is something interfering with this mechanism allowing more toxins to enter an already poisoned body. What is the issue with this?

sometimes controlling -to copy previous emphasis in this silly semantic game- the urge to vomit is very very bad.
 
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I'm glad that you can admit that you were wrong. I can accept that you disagree with my paraphrasing your "will NOT" with "cannot".

Here you go:

Thank you for proving me correct that smoking marijuana does not prevent you from being able to vomit. Marijuana helps relieve nausea and control of vomiting...


We've already established that it helps control vomiting.


Yes of course because if you can get your nausea under control you can control the vomiting. So great!

Good. So I'm glad that we agree.


My position is that you have no scientific basis to claim drinking alcohol in excess and smoking marijuana will prevent you from vomiting the alcohol. So no you haven't. Nice try at the diversion though.

And your position has been scientifically been debunked. Since it has been scientifically proven that marijuana CAN prevent vomiting, it certainly CAN prevent vomiting when excessively drinking alcohol. I'm sorry that you do not see the connection, but I understand how you wouldn't. It proves you wrong.
 
This is really ridiculous.

Marijuana can suppress the urge to vomit-which I see nobody is disputing.

vomiting is a necessary outlet for the body to purge itself from alcohol poisoning.

Therefore marijuana can interfere with the bodies ability to purge itself of excess alcohol by suppressing the urge to vomit.

Really this is not rocket science here.. A person has alcohol poisoning and the body needs to vomit to purge itself of toxins.. yet there is something interfering with this mechanism allowing more toxins to enter an already poisoned body. What is the issue with this?

sometimes controlling -to copy previous emphasis in this silly semantic game- the urge to vomit is very very bad.

Good. So I'm glad that we agree.




And your position has been scientifically been debunked. Since it has been scientifically proven that marijuana CAN prevent vomiting, it certainly CAN prevent vomiting when excessively drinking alcohol. I'm sorry that you do not see the connection, but I understand how you wouldn't. It proves you wrong.

Both of you are talking about a hypothesis. Do either of you understand the process to take a hypothesis to theory/fact?

What you are doing is constructing a syllogism. Now you have to test it. Before you've tested it, you cannot claim it is a fact about the effects of combining the two.
 
Both of you are talking about a hypothesis. Do either of you understand the process to take a hypothesis to theory/fact?

What you are doing is constructing a syllogism. Now you have to test it. Before you've tested it, you cannot claim it is a fact about the effects of combining the two.

No, what both of us are talking about is using science and logic in the form of the Transitive Property of Equality. We know that vomiting can occur from excessive alcohol use. And we know that marijuana supresses the vomiting center of the brain. Therefore, logically, through the transitive property of equality, we know that marijuana can prevent vomiting when excessive alcohol has been consumed. Simple logic.
 
Marijuana is helpful to people who have no appetite. It's called the "screaming munchies".

I am bewildered that it is classified as a schedule one drug (no redeeming medical purpose).

This is the biggest fallacy coming from the anti marijuana crowd.
 
No, what both of us are talking about is using science and logic in the form of the Transitive Property of Equality. We know that vomiting can occur from excessive alcohol use. And we know that marijuana supresses the vomiting center of the brain. Therefore, logically, through the transitive property of equality, we know that marijuana can prevent vomiting when excessive alcohol has been consumed. Simple logic.
What you're saying makes perfect sense but marduc is right, in a real situation there could be hundreds of other variables that don't fit neatly into that equation, so it's just a hypothesis until it's actually been tested for and observed. My personal experience (mine as well as people I know) is that marijuana use while already very drunk can actually cause nausea and vomiting that wouldn't have happened otherwise. The two euphorias don't tend to play nicely together.
 
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What you're saying makes perfect sense but marduc is right, in a real situation there could be hundreds of other variables that don't fit neatly into that equation, so it's just a hypothesis until it's actually been tested for and observed. My personal experience (mine as well as people I know) is that marijuana use while already very drunk can actually cause nausea and vomiting that wouldn't have happened otherwise. The two euphorias don't tend to play nicely together.

Actually I am not arguing against his position, I am supporting it. And, yes, I have also experienced the room spinning when combining both substances and agree that at times they do not play nice together and actually cause nausea. This does not discount other times when I felt nauseous from alcohol alone and smoked a bit of pot to suppress this and then laid down and went to sleep. sometimes it would alleviate the situation, sometimes it wouldn't, which one was the case was rather unpredictable, I would actually be rather surprised to hear that you have never noticed this.

Is the repression of the vomiting urge an absolute, and is going to happen every time? No, however, there are times when it can and does happen, and there are times and instances when that has a potential to be dangerous.

I do not get why we get so hung up arguing such silly moot points.
 
No, what both of us are talking about is using science and logic in the form of the Transitive Property of Equality. We know that vomiting can occur from excessive alcohol use. And we know that marijuana supresses the vomiting center of the brain. Therefore, logically, through the transitive property of equality, we know that marijuana can prevent vomiting when excessive alcohol has been consumed. Simple logic.
You can't simply deduce this and claim it fact. It was your claim that if your body needed to expel toxic levels of alcohol, being under the intoxication of marijuana would prevent the vomiting and you could die.

You have no evidence of this. You have a logical argument that deduces this but you have yet to test it. This is called a hypothesis. :2wave:
 
Marijuana is helpful to people who have no appetite. It's called the "screaming munchies".

I am bewildered that it is classified as a schedule one drug (no redeeming medical purpose).

This is the biggest fallacy coming from the anti marijuana crowd.
Indeed. Now consider who might benefit from making it illegal not to mention a schedule one drug.

Special Interests (SI) want it to be a schedule one drug so that research is severely inhibited and controlled by the government (which we already know is controlled by SI). There is only one government approved source for research samples and the process to become authorized is too ridiculous.

So why would SI want prevent research? Well, there's the:
Alcohol industry which doesn't want a competitor with a better, safer product
there's the pharma industry which doesn't want competition from something you could grow yourself and relieve or lessen various ailments that you might otherwise pay for
There's the DEA and prison systems which spend tax dollars by the billions.
But the biggest reason why marijuana is still illegal...(drum roll)

HEMP!

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Just look at all the industries that would loose money if Hemp were legal to grow.
 

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Indeed. Now consider who might benefit from making it illegal not to mention a schedule one drug.

Special Interests (SI) want it to be a schedule one drug so that research is severely inhibited and controlled by the government (which we already know is controlled by SI). There is only one government approved source for research samples and the process to become authorized is too ridiculous.

So why would SI want prevent research? Well, there's the:
Alcohol industry which doesn't want a competitor with a better, safer product
there's the pharma industry which doesn't want competition from something you could grow yourself and relieve or lessen various ailments that you might otherwise pay for
There's the DEA and prison systems which spend tax dollars by the billions.
But the biggest reason why marijuana is still illegal...(drum roll)

HEMP!

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Just look at all the industries that would loose money if Hemp were legal to grow.

It could also be used to make bio fuel.
 
Maybe because of the damage it does to brain cells you forget that you are addicted.jr602az has apparently forgotten the number of times he posted this thread. Detoxify and other companies seem to make lots of money on people who will get high off pot despite the risk of losing their job.




If it is an opinion based on ignorance then why are potheads the ones mostly pushing for so called medicinal marijuana, why can I pick up a high times magazine and somewhere in that magazine they are pushing it? I seriously doubt jr602az and other potheads gives a **** about medicinal marijuana other than the fact it can be used as a back door to get prescription marijuana for recreational users and to get their foot in the door for recreational marijuana. Personally I think you people should be honest about your motives.

I've worked in corrections for 30 years. I know all to well the effects of drugs. I am opposed to the use of illicit drugs. However, when it comes to the medical use of marijuana I support it. I know it's benefits when it comes to individuals who are going through cancer treatments. I have servere back pain and was prescribed methadone. That, in my opinion, is a dangerous drug that I will never use again. Can medical marijuana be abused? You bet. So can other drugs. It can also be beneficial when properly prescribed. I'm NOT a pothead!! and I support it legal use.
 
This is also a 'borrowed' comment or post, I honestly believe this is one of the best I have seen out there lol.. Thank You Mike Q.=)

My marijuana paper. Let me know what you think?(not done)?
Alcohol poisoning? Perfectly legal as long as your not driving. Killing yourself with cigarettes? Legal! One thing that is not legal as of today is Marijuana. Which have many benefits! Like Cigarettes and alcohol, they can do harm as well, just not as much harm as cigarette and alcohol. Yet we still have laws against marijuana. There are many studies that show that marijuana can actually be a great medicine and good for moderate personal use.
First and foremost, from smoking alone, it is impossible for a person to overdose on THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol), which is the main psychoactive in marijuana. The reason it is impossible, is that a 160 pound man would have to smoke around two and one half ounces of marijuana with in the time span of 15 minutes. That would equal 900 joints! Another big myth about marijuana is that its addicting. Although this is not much of a myth, marijuana is not as addicitive as other intoxicants! Only 9% of marijuana smokers are dependent on the plant. Compared to the 23% of people who drink who are dependent on alcohol and 1/3 of people who have ever smoked a cigarette are dependent on the intoxicant! In 2002 only 1/3 of American wanted the decriminalization of marijuana (34%). Since then pro cannabis groups and sites such as NORML.org have been teaching the benefits of marijuana, and now in 2009 about 72% of Americans call for the decriminalization of marijuana. If marijuana was decriminalized, it wouldn’t be as if you can smoke out in the streets, the decriminalization of marijuana would mean you would just get a fine rather than jail time.
If marijuana was to be legalized and distributed by convenient stores and local markets, it would open up tens of thousands of new jobs for the public and with how hard it is to get a job in today's economy that is very important. The legalization of marijuana would also lead to the government to save not millions, but billions of dollars. Tax payers spend annually between $7.5 and $10 billion on arresting and prosecuting individuals for marijuana related violations. Only 90% of these arrest were just for marijuana possession only! Another big thing about legalizing marijuana, is that if America distributes it to convenient stores and such, taxing marijuana would bring it a lot more money for government, and in today's time with the U.S. being $11914005088493.48 in debt (as of 10/14/09 2:15 P.M.) taxation on marijuana would be a wise choice. The estimated population of the United States is 307,099,194 so each citizen's share of this debt is $38,795.30. In recent studies it has been estimated that California would make around $1.4 billion if marijuana was to be taxed. Even tho California is one of the United States biggest states studies have shown that at least 30 of the 50 states would make around $1 billion a year on taxation and other states would make between $50 million to $1 billion. If you think about it 1 billion times 30 is $30 billion add the other twenty states, the united states could easily be making a $40 billion profit on the taxation of marijuana!

I know its long but please take the time to read it
im in 11th grade.
Also no lectures about how wrong i am, or how weed is bad.
I know there are probably spelling errors i havnt gone thru this is just a rough draft
And everything i have is backed up by sources, Such as a few websites. Interviews via Email with governors, and News paper articles.
thank you
:)
 
Everyone who supports legalizing marijuana for any purpose is a user.
 
So what? Feel better now?:)

"So what"? So that's the reason why the whole issue of legalizing marijuana makes us sick. Marijuana is an extremely dangerous and addictive substance and everyone who uses it is an unsuccessful leech on society. To legalize the substance is like discriminating against drug-free people. Name me ONE non-smoker who supports legalizing weed. You won't be able to.
 
"So what"? So that's the reason why the whole issue of legalizing marijuana makes us sick. Marijuana is an extremely dangerous and addictive substance and everyone who uses it is an unsuccessful leech on society. To legalize the substance is like discriminating against drug-free people. Name me ONE non-smoker who supports legalizing weed. You won't be able to.

I do not smoke and I support legalizing it. In debate, for you, that is known as FAIL.
 
"So what"? So that's the reason why the whole issue of legalizing marijuana makes us sick. Marijuana is an extremely dangerous and addictive substance and everyone who uses it is an unsuccessful leech on society. To legalize the substance is like discriminating against drug-free people. Name me ONE non-smoker who supports legalizing weed. You won't be able to.

Welcome to debate politics forum newbie. I am sure that if you read some of the posts here at dp you will find out that you are wrong.

I pay for my own weed and I have been smoking it for over 50 years. I am an army veteran with a good conduct medal BTW.:)
 
Welcome to debate politics forum newbie. I am sure that if you read some of the posts here at dp you will find out that you are wrong.

I pay for my own weed and I have been smoking it for over 50 years. I am an army veteran with a good conduct medal BTW.:)

So, CaptainCourtesy, are you really going to advocate the illegal activities of this pinko here?
 
So, CaptainCourtesy, are you really going to advocate the illegal activities of this pinko here?

We are not discussing whether or not he should receive consequences for using marijuana illegally. We are discussing whether or not marijuana should be legalized.

And...

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