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Miracle Marijuana

Should Medical Marijuana Be Legal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 78.4%

  • No

    Votes: 5 9.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 11.8%
  • Total voters
    51
Good morning Children.

It's Mister Rogers again. Won't you be my neighbor?

It's time for today's word.

Today's word is "Single Issue Poster".

Can you say "Single Issue Poster?"

I knew you could.



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reefedjib said:
You are wrong. I did not make my statement to deflect that pot is addictive. I accept that and CC would know. Physical and psychological addictions are in play.

I made my statement that there are other legal addicting substances in order to observe that a substance being addictive is not a good reason for it being illegal.
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That's true, that being said, you were using a straw man. You were debating something that CC never said instead of debating what he actually stated.

CC did not make the assertion that because its addictive it should be illegal. He made the assertion that MrFungus was incorrect in saying that it wasn't addictive. His statement had NOTHING to do with the legality or illegality of it and because rather than admit that Mr. Fungus was wrong and CC was correct, thus discrediting your fellow advocate, you instead took up it upon yourself to counter something that CC never said.


OT: will you perhaps make it to the talk on Iraqi Elections tomorrow night?
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Oh? When and where?
 
LiberalAvenger said:
You should seriously consider banging a gong. You have been using that same lame argument on all of these pot threads. Being anti pot is a cottage industry.
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I keep using the same argument because the same ignorantly dumb or intentionally dishonest statements keep getting thrown out by the zealots and extremists on the pro-legalization side.

By the way, I'm in favor of legalization so if the ignorant anti-pot statement was aimed at me its rather humerous.

Evangelical Potheads are no better than Evangelical Christian or evangelical environmentalists or any other group that is so extremely and emotionally vested in their particular cause that they forgo reason, objectivity, or honesty in exchange for fire and brimstone type rhetoric and propoganda.
 
Zyphlin said:
That's true, that being said, you were using a straw man. You were debating something that CC never said instead of debating what he actually stated.
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No, I wasn't presenting an argument to what was said. I wasn't countering anything. I was extending the conversation and making a point about legality.


Oh? When and where?
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Here is the post with the correct link: http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-i...-future-after-elections-2.html#post1058611533

It is held:
Institute for the Study of War
Rooftop conference room
1616 P St NW (entrance)
Washington, DC 20036

from: 6:30 pm to 8/9 pm
 
Ah, sadly will probably be unable to make it. I don't get out of work till 5:30 tomorrow and with fighting traffic into DC I would probably miss a large portion of it. If I hadn't had to take off early this week for a doctor's appointment I would've probably taken leave.
 
Zyphlin said:
Ah, sadly will probably be unable to make it. I don't get out of work till 5:30 tomorrow and with fighting traffic into DC I would probably miss a large portion of it. If I hadn't had to take off early this week for a doctor's appointment I would've probably taken leave.
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Hopefully they will have a video of the morning event that I will be able to post. Sorry you can't make it.
 
Zyphlin said:
I keep using the same argument because the same ignorantly dumb or intentionally dishonest statements keep getting thrown out by the zealots and extremists on the pro-legalization side.

By the way, I'm in favor of legalization so if the ignorant anti-pot statement was aimed at me its rather humerous.

Evangelical Potheads are no better than Evangelical Christian or evangelical environmentalists or any other group that is so extremely and emotionally vested in their particular cause that they forgo reason, objectivity, or honesty in exchange for fire and brimstone type rhetoric and propoganda.
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You need to have a little more tolerance for peoples vices.:roll:
 
American said:
Potential Merits of Cannabinoids for Medical Uses

It appears that the FDA has not seen enough evidence to approve it.
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Yes they have.

But only THC. And only when it has been synthetically manufactured, put in a sesame oil suspension and put in a pill. It's called "Marinol" (or Dronabinol).

But not naturally occurring THC.

So, either the artificial production process or the sesame oil is what gives THC it's medicinal properties. :roll:
 
MrFungus420 said:
Yes they have.

But only THC. And only when it has been synthetically manufactured, put in a sesame oil suspension and put in a pill. It's called "Marinol" (or Dronabinol).

But not naturally occurring THC.

So, either the artificial production process or the sesame oil is what gives THC it's medicinal properties. :roll:
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so, if they have it in a pill, why does marijuana need to be legal?
 
LiberalAvenger said:
You should seriously consider banging a gong. You have been using that same lame argument on all of these pot threads. Being anti pot is a cottage industry.
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This post is precisely why the pro-legalization side has a long way to go in order to win.
 
MrFungus420 said:
I'm not familiar with any. Could you link for me, please?
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The studies I have read are copyrighted and cannot be reprinted. I posted excerpts once. I'll go dig them up.
 
ricksfolly said:
Skateguy said:
I dip Grizzly Green--

that is addiction. Pot is nothin like that. If I want to work on a fun project, or listen to music, Pot makes it more enjoyable. and that is all it is. there is not a "need" to do it at all. I quit for a solid year once, with no need to do it. The first time I tried Pot, my response was, "and this will get me life in prison?? some body is messed up for sure" >>

So far, I've been able to handle my pain, but it's good to know my doctor can legally prescribe pot if it gets to be too much.

Thanks, Skateguy, for saying it makes life more enjoyable, not just eases pain, apathy sometimes makes it even worse.

ricksfolly
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Pot is not a crutch, and it's not a place to hide. If anything, it is like looking at the World through a microscope. I don't blame people for fearing their own minds. the thought of expanding it is probably more than they can bear.
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spud_meister said:
so, if they have it in a pill, why does marijuana need to be legal?
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Pot was been legal for thousands of years, in many cultures, but our "Free" society says "No son, put that down, it's bad for ya."---- They know not of which they speak.
 
[QUOTE=Skateguy;1058612111

Thanks, Skateguy, for saying it makes life more enjoyable, not just eases pain, apathy sometimes makes it even worse.

ricksfolly

Pot is not a crutch, and it's not a place to hide. If anything, it is like looking at the World through a microscope. I don't blame people for fearing their own minds. the thought of expanding it is probably more than they can bear.>>

It must give you a feeling of invincibility to be so sure of yourself... OTOH it could be just another defence mechanism to mask the real you, a harmless ***** cat.

ricksfolly
 
spud_meister said:
so, if they have it in a pill, why does marijuana need to be legal?
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Marinol's method of delivery is counter-intuitive to the symptoms it's prescribed to alleviate. People suffering from nausea due to chemotherapy typically have a hard time keeping pills down.
 
spud_meister said:
so, if they have it in a pill, why does marijuana need to be legal?
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Here is a recycled post of mine from another thread where I touch on some reasons why Marinol and other synthetic cannabinoid pills are not ideal:

marduc said:
Got to love a world where a synthetic version of a substance replaces one that is easily and readily attained naturally. But then again a drug company could not really profit off from natural THC, or related cannabinoids which would be able to be purified and processed to pharmaceutical standard with ease, and at a fraction of the cost.

I love when Marinol gets touted as the universal answer to medical marijuana, when there are over 60 cannabinoids that have been isolated from cannabis. THC is but one of a whole class of substances in the understudied cannabinoid family.

Little is known about which cannabinoids have which specific medical benefits, so they release a synthetic version THC as a generic panacea to say "see we are not overlooking its medical value", while overlooking a whole myriad of potential uses for the entire class substances, many of which are non intoxicating.

Being pure THC (even synthetic) marinol is good at one thing, getting the user very high; unfortunately most users report that cannabis itself is much better at alleviating their nausea, and promoting appetite without such a complete and overwhelming stoned feeling from pure THC.

So, no Marinol is not the cure all for the problem as it is being touted, rather exploring what it is specifically in the whole class of cannabinoid drugs, and which ones specifically have which benefits is. Doing this could very well result in finding a much better solution (processed from natural cannabinoids working in tandem) that can be tailored to have the desired results, while minimizing on the intoxication effects that result from THC alone.

Medical marijuana patients often tailor the strain of cannabis they use to maximize the desired combination of cannabinoids. Different strains and different ratios of THC to other cannabinoids produce different effects, and even different intoxications, some more beneficial than others for a specific user or problem, and this does not necessarily equate to maximizing THC content and the associated intoxication.

Marinol -clocking in at 100% THC (synthetic)-, most certainly does maximize THC content, and as such is not what the doctor ordered for many medical marijuana recipients, so no, Marinol is not a viable alternative for many.
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Goshin said:
Good morning Children.

It's Mister Rogers again. Won't you be my neighbor?

It's time for today's word.

Today's word is "Single Issue Poster".

Can you say "Single Issue Poster?"

I knew you could.



:mrgreen:
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Good morning! Can I take your slippers? Would you like to take your jacket off <dj mix kicks in> jacket off-jacket off-jack-jack-jacket off.

It's a LOVELY day in the neighborhood! :mrgreen:
 
LiberalAvenger said:
You need to have a little more tolerance for peoples vices.:roll:
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He tells you he is in favor of legalization and you then respond with this?

You are not helping any by ostracizing and attacking those who are sympathetic to your cause you know. Zyphlin's points are valid, and if anything you should take them as constructive criticism. Instead you double down at the irrational zealous mode.. really.. just do yourself -and others- a favor and stop.
 
marduc said:
He tells you he is in favor of legalization and you then respond with this?

You are not helping any by ostracizing and attacking those who are sympathetic to your cause you know. Zyphlin's points are valid, and if anything you should take them as constructive criticism. Instead you double down at the irrational zealous mode.. really.. just do yourself -and others- a favor and stop.
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As I tell many of the conservatives on this site that can't stand me...

If I can not hold the side I am on to the highest of standards what right do I have in telling the other side that they're wrong. If I can not, and do not, point out the ridiculous or highly questionable arguments and statements of my side what right do I have in telling the other side they're wrong. And more over that I will not sit by and idlely twiddle my thumbs while those on my side make me look like I'm in league with a bunch of raving lunatics just out of the nature of being on the same "team".

If people come in here making accusations weed turns people into mindless killers, that weed is 10 times more dangerous than alcohol in every way, that permanently rots away the brain of anyone who smokes it at all, that anyone htat wants it legalized is just a mindless pot head that wants to get high, etc then I'll react just the same. Ignorant, exaggerated, or flat out dishonest statements from either side need to be confronted if there's ever going to be a legitimate chance for legalization to come to fruition in this country.
 
I do not recommend this to anybody but try smoking weed for 5 days and stopping. You most likely will. Try taking pain killers for 5 days and then go cold turkey. You'll look at the bottle for about 5 minutes until you decide to pop one.
 
Hatuey said:
I do not recommend this to anybody but try smoking weed for 5 days and stopping. You most likely will. Try taking pain killers for 5 days and then go cold turkey. You'll look at the bottle for about 5 minutes until you decide to pop one.
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Okay. I'm your guy. Bring over the pot and the vikes and let's get this thing started.
 
Captain America said:
Okay. I'm your guy. Bring over the pot and the vikes and let's get this thing started.
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Vikes is child's play. Try something like cortisone or even its little cousin prednisone. I seriously do not recommend going cold turkey off either. I've been clean for a couple of months now from prednisone and I still think about popping pills and can't even remember the last time I even saw a dime bag.
 
Hatuey said:
Vikes is child's play. Try something like cortisone or even its little cousin prednisone. I seriously do not recommend going cold turkey off either. I've been clean for a couple of months now from prednisone and I still think about popping pills and can't even remember the last time I even saw a dime bag.
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You're right. Bring over the Diludid's. The yellow 4's.
 
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