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Who is the Establishment party?

Who is the Establishment party?


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In you own personal experience what is the ‘establishment’ party? Explain.
 
Growing up in New York in the 1960s and 70s, the establishment was the Republican party. They belonged to the country clubs, they owned the land, they ran the government.

The Democrats were the blacks, the Jews, and the unions.

The Republicans are the ‘Establishment’ as far as I am concerned, then and now.
 
Growing up in New York in the 1960s and 70s, the establishment was the Republican party. They belonged to the country clubs, they owned the land, they ran the government.

The Democrats were the blacks, the Jews, and the unions.

The Republicans are the ‘Establishment’ as far as I am concerned, then and now.

What 60's and 70's did you live through? How did Republicans "run the government" in New York or anywhere else for that matter? The Democrats had huge majorities in Congress for that entire time and the presidency for the bulk of it, while NYC was in the middle of a 50-year period of Democratic mayors (minus a little bit of quasi-Lindsay) as well as an ongoing century+ period of Democratic control of the City Council.

I understand that you don't like the Republican party and that might tend to color your opinions, but that doesn't mean that you get to pretend that history played out differently than it did.
 
In you own personal experience what is the ‘establishment’ party? Explain.

Both of them. Neither party represents a threat to the status quo.
 
Both are. It is usually used as an attack on something you dont like and would wish to accomplish if it were not for the stingy attitudes of Washington. In one sense, liberals of the past several decades, have taken it upon themselves to influence the Democratic Party to rid itself of the influence of "the establishment", the "Party bosses" and "the fat cats". It worked to some certain extent, failed miserably in others, but at the end of the day, they grew up and perhaps some of them finally found themselves being the establishment. Conservatives in the Republican Party have likewise gone through phases where it tries to "de-Washingtonize" itself, as it is right now.

Despite what liberals or conservatives would say, I would not argue that it is necessarily a bad thing to be the establishment. It might be bad to be seen as apart of the establishment, but attacking the establishment too much usually accomplishes very little. It's good to be seen as some sort of element of change, but in all honesty, it takes some knowledgable people with excellent bureaucratic skills to get things done.
 
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They are both the establishment. Which is why we need to be able to vote into office third-parties to provide real alternatives.
 
I said "none of the above" because its really both of the above (yeah I know it doesn't make sense).

Right now, the Dems are more of the establishment than ever before. :lol:
 
What 60's and 70's did you live through? How did Republicans "run the government" in New York or anywhere else for that matter? The Democrats had huge majorities in Congress for that entire time and the presidency for the bulk of it, while NYC was in the middle of a 50-year period of Democratic mayors (minus a little bit of quasi-Lindsay) as well as an ongoing century+ period of Democratic control of the City Council.

I understand that you don't like the Republican party and that might tend to color your opinions, but that doesn't mean that you get to pretend that history played out differently than it did.

You know, this actually shows a very important overlooked by the question. While nationally speaking both sides may be considered the establishment, on local and state levels one party or another typically has more stability in power than the other party. That is on local and state levels one party tends to dominate continually despite changes on a national level.

So as an addendum to the original poster, I'd like to ask which party is the establishment in your local government and state government.
 
What 60's and 70's did you live through? How did Republicans "run the government" in New York or anywhere else for that matter? The Democrats had huge majorities in Congress for that entire time and the presidency for the bulk of it, while NYC was in the middle of a 50-year period of Democratic mayors (minus a little bit of quasi-Lindsay) as well as an ongoing century+ period of Democratic control of the City Council.

I understand that you don't like the Republican party and that might tend to color your opinions, but that doesn't mean that you get to pretend that history played out differently than it did.

I grew up at a similar time in New York as well and had the same view of the two parties. Democrats ( on the coasts) were for civil rights, womens rights, anti-war. Also remember that before 1964 ( civil right laws) the solid south was solidly democrats. That is because Lincoln was a Republican. Those Southern " Democrats" are now the majority of the rebuplician party. So it is a myth that liberal democrats really ever ran the country politically. Also when you think of who ran all the large businesses in America it was largely WASPs.
 
Of course you're all right that they are both elements of the same establishment. They're both products of capitalist rule. Both belong in their entirety to the elite rich.

Each serves its own purpose and has its own niche within capitalist rule. The Republicans present a shamelessly pro-business image and generally draw the short-sighted capitalists who wish to offer the working class no concessions whatsoever (save a proudly maintained myth of racial superiority for white working class people over their Black brothers). These are the people who believe that the workers are basically too dumb to revolt regardless of how badly they are treated.

The Democrats pretentiously pose as the party of the people and tend to be led by the capitalists with a more longterm view who realize that in order to control the workers you must grant certain minimal concessions. A relief program here, a breadline there. The Democrats have long held the historic role of co-opting and then completely destroying any popular worker's movement in the United States.

Which is more the establishment? Does the question even make sense?
 
Of course you're all right that they are both elements of the same establishment. They're both products of capitalist rule. Both belong in their entirety to the elite rich.

Each serves its own purpose and has its own niche within capitalist rule. The Republicans present a shamelessly pro-business image and generally draw the short-sighted capitalists who wish to offer the working class no concessions whatsoever (save a proudly maintained myth of racial superiority for white working class people over their Black brothers). These are the people who believe that the workers are basically too dumb to revolt regardless of how badly they are treated.

The Democrats pretentiously pose as the party of the people and tend to be led by the capitalists with a more longterm view who realize that in order to control the workers you must grant certain minimal concessions. A relief program here, a breadline there. The Democrats have long held the historic role of co-opting and then completely destroying any popular worker's movement in the United States.

Which is more the establishment? Does the question even make sense?

What is capitalist rule?
 
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