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E=mc^2 where c is time and space.
i was under the impression c was the speed of light
E=mc^2 where c is time and space.
Look, don't treat me like this! ;-) Matter is only energy in a bound state. They are the same. However, you can't have matter that is not energy, while you can have energy that is not matter. Therefore, matter is subordinate to energy.
i was under the impression c was the speed of light
i was under the impression c was the speed of light
No option for other?
I don't think the universe was ever created.
So why do you believe god/universe is intelligent?
What reason do you have to believe so?
Or is it just blind belief or what you "feel" is true?
Indeed, but speed is expressed in terms of space and time, eg. 300.000 km per second...
No option for other?
I don't think the universe was ever created.
I think the same. Couldn't it just have always "been"? Why must it have been 'created'?
None of the poll choices even closely match what I believe, so I am voting "other''.
The answer is – the OP was written by a very intelligent man. reefedjib provided me with joy to seeing a man who has abilities to think and think independently and quite brilliantly. My original intent was to compliment him, but I was too tired and couldn’t get to those few posts which gave the joy of observing human intelligence.No option for other?.
This exactly what my dog thinks and comprehends about reality around him.I think the same. Couldn't it just have always "been"?
Don't feel like reading 26 pages....
Anyway, I like when atheists think that they need to show up on a debate and make this intellectual statement – ‘’I don’t care’’. What a misery.So, I go with the previously mentioned "Option 7".
I don't know.
As that is what I believe, I cannot say which of the other 6 possible answers is closer to what I believe.
In short, I believe that I do not know where the Universe came from. Or, for that matter, if it even exists at all.
Edit: Or anything, really.
I'm not an atheist.I would say that you have missed some of most brilliant an deep thoughts expressed on DP, I should take time and find them again, but the fact is that atheists did not comprehend them anyway and made reefedjib loose his patience. I just wanted to comment that he shouldn’t expect atheists to comprehend most simple sentences, to answer most simple questions. I wanted to tell him that I enjoyed, appreciated and learned . He should learn not to let atheists to bring him back to clichés and standard thinking. It does not matter, he or she or it at the moment, there is no need to get involved into sidetracks. He should learn that scourge only wants to exhaust one’s patience. Also when he goes into non-Christian BS – energy, matter etc, he looses brilliance and follows BS, I just wanted to remind him that his Hindu beliefs contradict physics, go against physics, in all of all who did make physics- Christians or Hindu? He actually showed a natural thinking of a physicist, of Newton and Einstein type. I enjoyed and learned. Then he lost to Hindu…
Anyway, I like when atheists think that they need to show up on a debate and make this intellectual statement – ‘’I don’t care’’. What a misery.
I would say that you have missed some of most brilliant an deep thoughts expressed on DP, I should take time and find them again, but the fact is that atheists did not comprehend them anyway and made reefedjib loose his patience.
Let me ask you a simple question. If you think that the universe… I wouldn’t even ask you to explain how one can think so… let’s say it always has been, - then who made it start heading to the end, to death, non-existence all over suddenly?
You are correct. This is exactly what I said. Are you be surprised that it had to be explained by you to some who thinks that they are educated? Do you think they understood?
I have not been to France. All friends of mine are negative in their experience. But you make me think… – in the US they teach only atheism in schools and colleges. Do they still teach how to count in France? Or it is just somewhere from your family, when France used to be a center of culture?
Sure, it is just your dream. You are dreaming of me too. Actually I am not even typing, I am only in your personal imagination.
The answer is – the OP was written by a very intelligent man. reefedjib provided me with joy to seeing a man who has abilities to think and think independently and quite brilliantly. My original intent was to compliment him, but I was too tired and couldn’t get to those few posts which gave the joy of observing human intelligence.
Obviously he did expect a conversation on intelligent level somewhat close to his level. I just wanted to tell him that he should get used to the fact that it will not happen any time when he wants to mention God. One indeed has to have a hell of patience talking to atheists, when atheists do not understand a simple thought, phrase, and sentence. So, he shouldn’t start swearing and coursing.I know it takes a hell of patience, but I for instance remind to myself that I also used to be an atheist when my mind and intellect was not developed.
Obviously he did not think about including option which could come to minds of people with undeveloped intellect and infant comprehension of reality. He covered all even slightly reasonable options.
.This exactly what my dog thinks and comprehends about reality around him.
Why did the author of OP have to count in this level of comprehension of reality?
Let me ask you a simple question. If you think that the universe… I wouldn’t even ask you to explain how one can think so… let’s say it always has been, - then who made it start heading to the end, to death, non-existence all over suddenly?
thats like saying theres no such thing as distance because we use human methods to measure it, or that if every being on earth closed its eyes at the same time, light would not exist.
That isn't what I understood the articles to be saying. My understanding is that these people are theorizing that time is an emergent property rather than a fundamental one. As an example, its theorized that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain as opposed, for example, that a mind can exist independent of the brain.
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PS: Im an atheist by the way
I just asked the most simple question:'' Let me ask you a simple question. If you think that the universe… I wouldn’t even ask you to explain how one can think so… let’s say it always has been, - then who made it start heading to the end, to death, non-existence all over suddenly?''In other words - because people here have stated or tried to state their own thoughts on the topic, you feel justified in coming forth and insulting and belittling these people.
So we don't believe as you do, therefore we are stupid and not capable of intelligent thought.
How nice and open minded of you. For being familiar with the OP and stating that he is an intelligent person that would love an intelligent debate, you single handedly killed the topic.
Congratulations on your*own* lack of intelligent contribution - exactly doing what you've accused others here of - at least the rest of us came to the thread with some sort of on-topic relevance.
Love,
An Atheist
You are aware that the Oscars are over and you didn't win any prizes for lamest comedy, aren't you?
See, if you had the ability to understand the arguments, and because you have "religion", you can't understand them, you wouldn't have been able to make the above blisteringly ignorant response after reading twenty six pages of dialogue that put reefedjib in his place.
For example, you're confusng the entropic cycle of this observed bubble of space-time with the "universe", either deliberately or ignorantly assuming that our arguments about what Philip Jose Farmer neatly termed the "pluriverse" were directly applicable to the single "universe" that we are able to percieve with our evolved senses.
Since it was clearly pointed out that since this "universe" had a clearly definable origin in time, it must exist as a subset of some other more eternal space and time coordinate frame.
The complete lack of evidence of intelligent origin or operation of this observed space we occupy presents no basis for assuming the larger pluriverse has any intelligence driving it's course.
Indeed, absolutely nothing is observable about the course, or lack thereof, of the greater space-time continuum of which we theorize must exist.
To presume that greater space-time has an intelligent aspect is merest hubris on your part.
This universe came into existence, it will die, at absolute zero, in the far future.
There is no reason to suspect that it has any reason for existing whatsoever.
And books written by neolithic sheep herders intent on imbuing their patriarchal societies with their God's Approval don't count as evidence.