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Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

The VA should be eliminated because it's Socialized Medicine which is Evil

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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yes. The government is involved. That's why it isn't working.

That being the case, more government is feeding the tumor growth hormones.



The VA system sucks.

Implementing that model on a national scale will suck on a national scale.

That's all it will do.

Since nationalized health care isn't constitutional, why aren't you people seeking constitutional options?
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An automatic response to be expected from the Scarecrow...
Someone who thinks that health care should revert to the days when our Constitution was written....
And, here I agree with Akhbar, to an extent.!
Scenario...
A man breaks his leg and pays one pig to have it set...
No problem.
But if the man has no pig, then what ?
tough....
But today, things are different.
And,it looks like a Constitution Amendment may be necessary, to placate the conservatives.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Because we don't need socialized medicine, or even medicine infected with socialism in this country.

We need a free market.
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Free, yes, but not totally unbridled like Wall Street....
 
RightinNYC said:
The rationale for its existence has nothing to do with the nature of its organization.

Please don't call people names.
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Ockham said:
Im a tea bagging conservative who came to grips with it on the first page. So this wasn't a real issue just another partisan troll post is that it?:2wave:
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Please dont call people names... :roll: :lol:
 
A better analogy would be medicare for seniors. I haven't seen too many Republicans moving to get rid of that, and that is without a doubt socialism.

Of course there are many other forms of socialism they also don't seem to object to: public education and fire departments to name two obvious examples.

If you have trouble with a national health care policy, that's fine -- but you should at least be consistent and not a hypocrite. Either object to ALL socialism or stop using the fact that it is socialism as an argument against it.
 
VanceMack said:
How exactly do you figure that the VA is socialized medicine? Lifetime healthcare is one of the perks offered to soldiers who accept low pay, insane working conditions, extended deployments, and risk to life and limb. Only an idiotic troll would make such a comparison.
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It's government run health care.
 
The reason the VA needs to be overhauled or replaced isn't because it's "socialist". (it isn't socialist) It's because the men and women who agreed to dedicated part or most of their lives in service to our country deserve GREAT medical care for the rest of their lives. That is one of the boons for military service. (hence why it's not socialist) The VA is not great medical care, and that is the only reason it needs to be replaced/overhauled. It needs to be replaced with something that IS great medical care for our vets.
 
Groucho said:
A better analogy would be medicare for seniors. I haven't seen too many Republicans moving to get rid of that, and that is without a doubt socialism.

Of course there are many other forms of socialism they also don't seem to object to: public education and fire departments to name two obvious examples.

If you have trouble with a national health care policy, that's fine -- but you should at least be consistent and not a hypocrite. Either object to ALL socialism or stop using the fact that it is socialism as an argument against it.
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I basically agree because for years, I have been paying into Medicare, without my permission, yet I can't qualify for Medicare. My payment is there mainly to cover all the other seniors who are eligible.
 
You know I have checked who voted and how they voted, and there are 5 who disagree about eliminating the VA, yet I only see 4 names. Is there an invisible player here?
 
earthworm said:
An automatic response to be expected from the Scarecrow...
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Yes, when socialists deliberately try to confuse something that isn't socialism with socialism to promote socialism, I speak up about their lies and misconceptions.

earthworm said:
Scenario...
A man breaks his leg and pays one pig to have it set...
No problem.
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See? That's the socialist solution.

In my world, the man would pay the doctor, not the pig.
 
Groucho said:
A better analogy would be medicare for seniors. I haven't seen too many Republicans moving to get rid of that, and that is without a doubt socialism.

Of course there are many other forms of socialism they also don't seem to object to: public education and fire departments to name two obvious examples.
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I object to all of the above.
 
rivrrat said:
The reason the VA needs to be overhauled or replaced isn't because it's "socialist". (it isn't socialist) It's because the men and women who agreed to dedicated part or most of their lives in service to our country deserve GREAT medical care for the rest of their lives. That is one of the boons for military service. (hence why it's not socialist) The VA is not great medical care, and that is the only reason it needs to be replaced/overhauled. It needs to be replaced with something that IS great medical care for our vets.
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Don't know about "great", but they deserve a level of quality comparable to what everyday Americans with jobs get, not the third world crap treatment one naturally expects from a government program.

Given the example of the VA and only a fool would want the government running all the nation's health care industry. Is it any wonder they voted for Obama?
 
earthworm said:
It?
Define.
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You first, as I was responding to your comment when you wrote this:

earthworm said:
Its not really inconsistant, its logical or intelligent.
Something the tea-bagging conservatives cannot come to grips with.
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earthworm said:
I talking about reasoning and thinking.
Am I partisan?
.. maybe..
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I'm taking about reconciling the issue of socialized VA vs. non-socialized VA. I didn't seem to have a problem. Whether your partisan or not - we're all partisan and biased to a certain extent, so that's irrelevant in this case.
 
Groucho said:
A better analogy would be medicare for seniors. I haven't seen too many Republicans moving to get rid of that, and that is without a doubt socialism.

Of course there are many other forms of socialism they also don't seem to object to: public education and fire departments to name two obvious examples.

If you have trouble with a national health care policy, that's fine -- but you should at least be consistent and not a hypocrite. Either object to ALL socialism or stop using the fact that it is socialism as an argument against it.
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For the record...Ive consistently opted for ALL, at least at a federal level. If the states choose to provide those service and the levels they choose...that is their decision.
 
kansaswhig said:
It's government run health care.
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It is a benefit that was promised soldiers. As a benefit it is no different than a civilian business offering a retirement program. And dont think for a second those soldiers didnt PAY for it. If the government didnt want to institute a VA, most soldiers I know would have been more than happy to recieve better pay during their active duty career...especially in light of the fact that very FEW vets (relatively) USE the VA. The VA is an option for Vets that received a disability while on active duty. The rank and file do not recieve Vet hospital benefits.
 
VanceMack said:
For the record...Ive consistently opted for ALL, at least at a federal level. If the states choose to provide those service and the levels they choose...that is their decision.
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Wouldn't it still be socialism? Just because a state government provides it instead of a federal government...
 
VanceMack said:
It is a benefit that was promised soldiers. As a benefit it is no different than a civilian business offering a retirement program. And dont think for a second those soldiers didnt PAY for it. If the government didnt want to institute a VA, most soldiers I know would have been more than happy to recieve better pay during their active duty career...especially in light of the fact that very FEW vets (relatively) USE the VA. The VA is an option for Vets that received a disability while on active duty. The rank and file do not recieve Vet hospital benefits.
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Yeah, I got all that [random rant unecessary]

...but it's run by the Govt. Is it not?
 
rivrrat said:
The reason the VA needs to be overhauled or replaced isn't because it's "socialist". (it isn't socialist) It's because the men and women who agreed to dedicated part or most of their lives in service to our country deserve GREAT medical care for the rest of their lives. That is one of the boons for military service. (hence why it's not socialist) The VA is not great medical care, and that is the only reason it needs to be replaced/overhauled. It needs to be replaced with something that IS great medical care for our vets.
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I have seen no real evidence that the VA does not provide quality care, and much evidence that it does. Medical professionals who work at the VA tend to do so because they love to help veterans, not for profit or whatever. I have seen VA people go way out of their way to help veterans, going well beyond what you would get from a regular doctor.

The VA has had some problems which have gotten a lot of publicity, but I think it is no worse, and possibly better than the medical care nonvets get.
 
Sounds great until you extrapolate costs from the VA (which often isn't even a terribly large percentage of most veteran's health care costs) to every US citizen
 
UtahBill said:
The VA model includes the fact that the benefits are EARNED by service to country. If the rest of the citizens want the benefits, they should earn them. of course....
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Absolutely, via either a tax increase or "insurance" premiums...to our government.
I am saying that its a good idea to have the VA model for all our people....Naturally, some adjustments would be necessary.
 
Option 3a: You enjoy pointing out what you consider inconsistent beliefs.
 
kansaswhig said:
Yeah, I got all that [random rant unecessary]

...but it's run by the Govt. Is it not?
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Doesn't mean it's socialism.

Socialism is theft to provide unearned benefits to others.

The veterans earned their reward.
 
earthworm said:
am saying that its a good idea to have the VA model for all our people....Naturally, some adjustments would be necessary.
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The VA model sucks precisely because it is government run.

That slight adjustment you're talking about before it's applied to the whole country? That's the elimination of the part that makes the VA so bad, the government control.

Y'all should stop looking to government to fix problems the government has caused. Y'all should start seeing that the government is the problem, not the solution for practically every problem facing the US that doesn't involve warfare.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Doesn't mean it's socialism.

Socialism is theft to provide unearned benefits to others.

The veterans earned their reward.
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How ambiguous. How is healthcare not a right? Don't they treat everyone that comes to a hospital for care? Maybe they should have american patriots at the doors to turn people away that don't have insurance so people can go die in ditches.

And why would a veteran deserve extended healthcare over a normal citizen, they get paid a wage. Let it come out of their wages.
 
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