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Is Global Warming a myth?

Is Global Warming a myth?


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Their is more consensus on this by the preeminent scientists of the world than most scientific assessments. That is about as close as you can get to proof in science.

Then you simply do not understand the scientific method. Nothing is proven right because a majority says so. That's totally antithetical to science.
 
So, if Bush's EPA said something, then it must be true? Glad to hear it...:roll:

We now have confirmation of the EPA under both parties as well as scientists from 180 countries around the world.

I look at it this way. If you are right, and we take action to reduce our C02 anyway, we have cleaner air and are less dependent on Middle East wars for our energy which improves our economy and our security.

On the other hand, if the scientist are right and we do nothing, we are condemning future life on the planet to a much more hostile environment that eventually may not be able to support life as we have known it.

The majority of us are not prepared to gamble with our grandchildren's lives.

What if you are wrong? Have you thought about the consequences and the guilt you would have for condemning future life on the planet?
 
Then you simply do not understand the scientific method. Nothing is proven right because a majority says so. That's totally antithetical to science.

You misunderstand. They each have their analytical methods. The more corroboration they have between their results the more sound the science.
 
You misunderstand. They each have their analytical methods. The more corroboration they have between their results the more sound the science.

You mean the cheating, lies, and fraud?
 
You mean the cheating, lies, and fraud?
I think he was referring to actual results, not falsified results.

So far, I am of the opinion that humans have a very slight, if any, effect on the climate.
 
You mean the cheating, lies, and fraud?

There was nothing in the hacked emails that disproves global warming.

As I told Ethereal, I look at it this way. If you are right, and we take action to reduce our C02 anyway, we have cleaner air and are less dependent on Middle East wars for our energy which improves our economy and our security.

On the other hand, if the scientist are right and we do nothing, we are condemning future life on the planet to a much more hostile environment that eventually may not be able to support life as we have known it.

The majority of us are not prepared to gamble with our grandchildren's lives.

What if you are wrong? Have you thought about the consequences and the guilt you would have for condemning future life on the planet?
 
There was nothing in the hacked emails that disproves global warming.

As I told Ethereal, I look at it this way. If you are right, and we take action to reduce our C02 anyway, we have cleaner air and are less dependent on Middle East wars for our energy which improves our economy and our security.

On the other hand, if the scientist are right and we do nothing, we are condemning future life on the planet to a much more hostile environment that eventually may not be able to support life as we have known it.

The majority of us are not prepared to gamble with our grandchildren's lives.

What if you are wrong? Have you thought about the consequences and the guilt you would have for condemning future life on the planet?
As I understand it, CO2 itself is only a very minor part of the "greenhouse gases" that cause warming.
 
As I understand it, CO2 itself is only a very minor part of the "greenhouse gases" that cause warming.

Water vapor, methane, and CO2 are the main greenhouse gases. The way I was taught, water vapor is the most efficient greenhouse gas. Methane and CO2 output has increased since the industrial revolutions of Western Europe.

The problem with the greenhouse effect, is that when you increase one factor, it triggers a cascading increase across the board, in terms of greenhouse gases. So, if you minutely increase methane and CO2, you automatically are going to get an increase in water vapor, over time.

If you want me to explain why there is an increase in water vapor, feel free to ask.

P.S. sorry if that sounds arrogant, I just want to make sure I tie up all loose ends.
 
As I understand it, CO2 itself is only a very minor part of the "greenhouse gases" that cause warming.

As I understand it, it is the main component. When we reduce the burning of fossil fuels we do however reduce other greenhouse gases too. Of course there are natural sources of CO2 as well, but it is the combination of both the natural sources together with the man-made sources that overload the earths capacity to sequester it.
 
As I understand it, it is the main component. When we reduce the burning of fossil fuels we do however reduce other greenhouse gases too. Of course there are natural sources of CO2 as well, but it is the combination of both the natural sources together with the man-made sources that overload the earths capacity to sequester it.

Specifically the introduction of paleocarbons, which are reintroduced into the Carbon cycle when fossil fuels are burned, thus forcing the environment to contend with larger total amounts of greenhoue gases.
 
There was nothing in the hacked emails that disproves global warming.

As I told Ethereal, I look at it this way. If you are right, and we take action to reduce our C02 anyway, we have cleaner air and are less dependent on Middle East wars for our energy which improves our economy and our security.

On the other hand, if the scientist are right and we do nothing, we are condemning future life on the planet to a much more hostile environment that eventually may not be able to support life as we have known it.

The majority of us are not prepared to gamble with our grandchildren's lives.

What if you are wrong? Have you thought about the consequences and the guilt you would have for condemning future life on the planet?
Except that people lied about peer reviewed reports and denied access to the data used in their analysis. They also manipulated their analyses by leaving out certain data.
 
Except that people lied about peer reviewed reports and denied access to the data used in their analysis. They also manipulated their analyses by leaving out certain data.

That does not disprove global warming by the consensus of scientists from 180 countries around the world. The effect of greenhouse gases was first discovered in 1824. How would some hacked emails from a few months ago, affect the findings back then?

If you have proof of time travel, I am very interested in seeing it!

If the conspiracy theory does not fit, you must acquit! :)
 
We now have confirmation of the EPA under both parties as well as scientists from 180 countries around the world.

I look at it this way. If you are right, and we take action to reduce our C02 anyway, we have cleaner air and are less dependent on Middle East wars for our energy which improves our economy and our security.

On the other hand, if the scientist are right and we do nothing, we are condemning future life on the planet to a much more hostile environment that eventually may not be able to support life as we have known it.

The majority of us are not prepared to gamble with our grandchildren's lives.

What if you are wrong? Have you thought about the consequences and the guilt you would have for condemning future life on the planet?

Pardon me, sir, but I am your "grandchildren". I'm the person who will have to live with the consequences of your generations' foul-ups long after you, Cat, are dead, so spare me the alarmist nonsense about saving the children.

What you and others are suggesting is not a sensible contingency plan, instead, you want to fundamentally alter the nature of our economy and empower governments the world over to further interfere in our lives, all based upon a flimsy correlation and suspect data.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it, and will continue to speak against it. I think my generation will be the one to finally start fixing all the problems you old people have made for us...
 
Pardon me, sir, but I am your "grandchildren". I'm the person who will have to live with the consequences of your generations' foul-ups long after you, Cat, are dead, so spare me the alarmist nonsense about saving the children.

What you and others are suggesting is not a sensible contingency plan, instead, you want to fundamentally alter the nature of our economy and empower governments the world over to further interfere in our lives, all based upon a flimsy correlation and suspect data.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it, and will continue to speak against it. I think my generation will be the one to finally start fixing all the problems you old people have made for us...

Haha, that entire statement is riddled with hypocrisy, and contradiction.
 
I think he was referring to actual results, not falsified results.

So far, I am of the opinion that humans have a very slight, if any, effect on the climate.

Most of the other results are based upon the same data sets and methods used by the liar scumbags pretending to be scientists.

For instance, does it matter what method you use when 9 out of 10 temperature monitoring stations in the United States (supposedly the most advanced system on the planet) do not meet minimum siting standards? If the data is suspect, then ALL the research based upon it is not credible.
 
Most of the other results are based upon the same data sets and methods used by the liar scumbags pretending to be scientists.
Actually, you misunderstood my point. I meant that, as per the scientific process, if enough scientists produce corroborating evidence of a hypothesis, it then would be accepted as a proven hypothesis, or theory.
Theories can be disproved.
Theories are used as a basis for further hypotheses.

In this case, the hypothesis that: “Human industrialization causes increased levels of CO2 emission”.

Used in conjunction with the hypothesis that: “An increase in the level of CO2 in the atmosphere causes warmer global temperatures”.

When taken together, these two hypotheses led to the hypothesis that: “Human industrialization/CO2 emissions causes warmer global temperatures”.

If, as some believe, the second hypothesis is correct, then the degree to which CO2 causes warmer temperatures becomes an issue.
If a small degree, perhaps no issue exists.
If a large degree, a pressing issue may exist.

If, as some believe, the second hypothesis is incorrect, then no issue exists.

Note no one is arguing that CO2 levels are decreasing.

The problem with this theory, in my mind, is that far too many variables are unexplored.

For example, if I were to present the hypotheses that, firstly: “increased CO2 emissions cause improved conditions for plant life”.
Secondly, that: “Improved conditions for plant life cause increases in the number of plants”.
Thirdly, that: “An increase in the number of plants causes, as a result, an increase in the number of dead and decomposing plants”.
Fourthly, that: “Decomposing plants give off heat”.

Then, lastly, that: “Increased CO2 emissions cause increased plant growth, which leads to dead plants decomposing, which action emits heat, which causes a rise in global temperature.”

This COULD be true...But it also might not be. Still, :mrgreen:
 
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Most of the other results are based upon the same data sets and methods used by the liar scumbags pretending to be scientists.

For instance, does it matter what method you use when 9 out of 10 temperature monitoring stations in the United States (supposedly the most advanced system on the planet) do not meet minimum siting standards? If the data is suspect, then ALL the research based upon it is not credible.

Even assuming your conjecture were accurate, the area of the entire USA occupies less than 2% of the planet surface. Any error is minimal.
 
Its a complex subject but if your argument is "its been cold lately" then whats the point of arguing.

My main point is i dont see why i should disagree with the vast majority of climatologists who believe in man made global warming.I dont see any big conspiracy.
 
Even assuming your conjecture were accurate, the area of the entire USA occupies less than 2% of the planet surface. Any error is minimal.

http://www.heartland.org/books/PDFs/SurfaceStations.pdf

The supposedly most advanced climate monitoring network on the planet is fatally compromised and you tell me the error is minimal. That's really hilarious.

Question: What percentage of the Earth is actually covered by climate monitoring stations?
 
Its a complex subject but if your argument is "its been cold lately" then whats the point of arguing.

My main point is i dont see why i should disagree with the vast majority of climatologists who believe in man made global warming.I dont see any big conspiracy.

Have you been reading the papers in your own country, because Hadley CRU is in your neck of the woods, mate...

There was obvious manipulation of data and the peer-review process by top climate scientists.
 
Pardon me, sir, but I am your "grandchildren". I'm the person who will have to live with the consequences of your generations' foul-ups long after you, Cat, are dead, so spare me the alarmist nonsense about saving the children.

If you wish to gamble with your own life after I'm gone fine. In the meantime I have real flesh and blood grandchildren that I feel are worth protecting from our short term greed.

What you and others are suggesting is not a sensible contingency plan, instead, you want to fundamentally alter the nature of our economy and empower governments the world over to further interfere in our lives, all based upon a flimsy correlation and suspect data.

I submit that our use of Middle East wars as an energy plan rather than learning to use our energy sources and our environment in a sustainable manner fundamentally alters the nature of our economy for the worst. The proof for Global warming is greater than any proof against it. If you are wrong interference in our lives becomes moot. Our economy become moot. And Libertarian ideology becomes moot.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it, and will continue to speak against it. I think my generation will be the one to finally start fixing all the problems you old people have made for us...

Help yourself, and the rest of us will continue to take actions to mitigate global warming and our dependence on foreign oil and the Middle East wars to support it to the extent possible.
 
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We are having record cold temperatures and snowfall in history across the United States so the question begs to be asked...

Okay a couple of points

Weather is not the same as CLIMATE

Regional is not the same as GLOBAL

The USA is only 2% of the Earth

I know a lot of Americans think that it is all of the Globe but, sorry it isn't.

Meanwhile back in Vancouver they are looking to ship snow in for the Olympics
 
Okay a couple of points

Weather is not the same as CLIMATE

Regional is not the same as GLOBAL

The USA is only 2% of the Earth

I know a lot of Americans think that it is all of the Globe but, sorry it isn't.

Meanwhile back in Vancouver they are looking to ship snow in for the Olympics
We've got plenty here in PA, and we really don't need it all.
By all means, ship some up there.
 
Have you been reading the papers in your own country, because Hadley CRU is in your neck of the woods, mate...

There was obvious manipulation of data and the peer-review process by top climate scientists.

Actually the Emails really proved that there was no conspiracy - some academic argy bargy sure but no conspiracy

Mann has now been officially cleared of misconduct as well

'Hockey stick' graph creator Michael Mann cleared of academic misconduct | Environment | The Guardian
 
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